Scot left unable to stand after Covid vaccine reaction raising money for stem cell treatment

a reply to: Kurokage

It doesn't...

but it makes as much sense as:" I got a vaccine, and immediately my health went to #" and you saying:" It couldn't be the vaccine, lets dig into your health history so we can find something else to blame it on."

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: Kurokage

It doesn't...

but it makes as much sense as:" I got a vaccine, and immediately my health went to #" and you saying:" It couldn't be the vaccine, lets dig into your health history so we can find something else to blame it on."

So please point to where I said it couldn't be the vaccine?? Shall I wait for a response??

All I've said is that there are plenty of reasons that are more likely the cause and just because John Watts says it was caused by the vaccine doesn't mean it was!!!
There is no medical evidence at this time that points to John Watts POTS being caused by the vaccine.

POTS has plenty of causes and just reeing "vaccine" doom porn isn't helping anyone.

a reply to: Kurokage

You're accusing the guy who's experiencing poor health from the vaccine of spreading doom porn??

From the OP:

But soon after receiving the Pfizer booster, they claim he experienced rapid heart rate, speech impairment, dizziness, nausea and fatigue so severe he lost over two stone in weight in just three weeks.

I guess the poor guy is just confused, and doesn't know that he's in perfect health. They did tell him originally that it was just anxiety and potentially poor mental health.

SMH...

a reply to: MaxxAction

You're accusing the guy who's experiencing poor health from the vaccine of spreading doom porn??

No, I'm accusing some members on here!

But soon after receiving the Pfizer booster, they claim he experienced rapid heart rate, speech impairment, dizziness, nausea and fatigue so severe he lost over two stone in weight in just three weeks.

And like I said earlier in the thread how soon is soon? Was it straight after or 5 minutes, or an hour, a day, a week, or even a month?
Had he had covid before the vaccination which is a very possible cause of POTS, or one of the many other causes?
Go and check out some of the possible causes at the link.
Causes of POTS

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: Kurokage

It is the most plausible explanation as his health deteriorated immediately after he received his Pfizer booster.

The family has said that he was healthy up to this point and he has no understanding long term conditions and had no Covid either.

The only people who think this isn't the most plausible explanation i.e caused by the vaccine are those who engage in vaccine apologetics and those who are defending Pfizer.

The family haven't said a thing about his medical history, and we all know that you can walk around and look healthy and have lots of health issues.
The only people who instantly blame the vaccine on everything are anti-vaccine apologists and people suffering from cognative bias!

As far as I know the family has said that he was healthy and haven't had any underlying health issue. Nor there is any evidence of an infection which could have lead to him having a debilitating condition.

I see that you are still engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

You are defending Pfizer by proxy. And you're stretching out towards infinity to deny that these experimental Covid drugs aren't the reason for massive debilitating side effects being reported on an unprecedented scale, which is also defending Pfizer and Moderna even if you didn't intend it that way, that is the bottom line.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: MaxxAction

You're accusing the guy who's experiencing poor health from the vaccine of spreading doom porn??

No, I'm accusing some members on here!

But soon after receiving the Pfizer booster, they claim he experienced rapid heart rate, speech impairment, dizziness, nausea and fatigue so severe he lost over two stone in weight in just three weeks.

And like I said earlier in the thread how soon is soon? Was it straight after or 5 minutes, or an hour, a day, a week, or even a month?
Had he had covid before the vaccination which is a very possible cause of POTS, or one of the many other causes?
Go and check out some of the possible causes at the link.
Causes of POTS

You seem unable to grasp that the most plausible cause of his debilitating condition is the vaccine itself.

You are defending Pfizer by proxy. And you're stretching out towards infinity to deny that these experimental Covid drugs aren't the reason for massive debilitating side effects being reported on an unprecedented scale, which is also defending Pfizer and Moderna even if you didn't intend it that way, that is the bottom line.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: MaxxAction

You're accusing the guy who's experiencing poor health from the vaccine of spreading doom porn??

No, I'm accusing some members on here!

But soon after receiving the Pfizer booster, they claim he experienced rapid heart rate, speech impairment, dizziness, nausea and fatigue so severe he lost over two stone in weight in just three weeks.

And like I said earlier in the thread how soon is soon? Was it straight after or 5 minutes, or an hour, a day, a week, or even a month?
Had he had covid before the vaccination which is a very possible cause of POTS, or one of the many other causes?
Go and check out some of the possible causes at the link.
Causes of POTS

Yes, as always a range of unsubstantiated accusations which you admit above having engaged first in various vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

It doesn't seem to suit your narrative that the most plausible cause is the vaccine. You claimed that other causes are more plausible and you gave some links. But the links you gave didn't factor or mention the COVID-19 vaccines.

Denialism of reality.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Yes, as always a range of unsubstantiated accusations which you admit above having engaged first in various vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

It doesn't seem to suit your narrative that the most plausible cause is the vaccine. You claimed that other causes are more plausible and you gave some links. But the links you gave didn't factor or mention the COVID-19 vaccines.

Your understanding of English is very poor if you think Ive admitted to your ludicrous accusations, but that doesn't really suprise me...

Again you're posting assumptions based on you bias and personal anti-vaccine apologetics.
The fact that no medical history has been submitted and the case that it was caused by the vaccine is based purely on John Watts non-medical guess!
You shouldn't get so upset that there is no evidence to back up the claims made by John Watts and you.

Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning.
CHARLES TREMPER

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Yes, as always a range of unsubstantiated accusations which you admit above having engaged first in various vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

It doesn't seem to suit your narrative that the most plausible cause is the vaccine. You claimed that other causes are more plausible and you gave some links. But the links you gave didn't factor or mention the COVID-19 vaccines.

Your understanding of English is very poor if you think Ive admitted to your ludicrous accusations, but that doesn't really suprise me...

Again you're posting assumptions based on you bias and personal anti-vaccine apologetics.
The fact that no medical history has been submitted and the case that it was caused by the vaccine is based purely on John Watts non-medical guess!
You shouldn't get so upset that there is no evidence to back up the claims made by John Watts and you.

Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning.
CHARLES TREMPER

Trying to copy my style and language doesn't help your cause.

I think most others here have argued that the crucial point that you seem to ignore is the timing when his symptoms appeared by engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of truth as well as defending Pfizer.

John Watts was well and healthy with no known conditions just as his family has described in their interviews. Most people here have told you that you are in a constant denial but you don't seem to accept it. Here is one of them

You are defending Pfizer by proxy. And you're stretching out towards infinity to deny that these experimental Covid drugs aren't the reason for massive debilitating side effects being reported on an unprecedented scale, which is also defending Pfizer and Moderna even if you didn't intend it that way, that is the bottom line.

Here is another one

but it makes as much sense as:" I got a vaccine, and immediately my health went to #" and you saying:" It couldn't be the vaccine, lets dig into your health history so we can find something else to blame it on."

And indeed what applies to you and you ironically including it in your replies!

Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning.
CHARLES TREMPER

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Trying to copy my style and language doesn't help your cause.

I think most others here have argued that the crucial point that you seem to ignore is the timing when his symptoms appeared by engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of truth as well as defending Pfizer.

John Watts was well and healthy with no known conditions just as his family has described in their interviews. Most people here have told you that you are in a constant denial but you don't seem to accept it. Here is one of them

I'm not copying anything here, I'm just pointing out your errors in this subject which is lead purely by your cognative bias and assumptions.

Please post John Watts medical history that you seem to be aware of here? John Watts claims he was well but he could have had a number of underlying medical conditions he wasn't aware of and again the time frame of his injection and illness is unkown other than things like "soon after"
How many doctors do you know that "dig into your health history so we can find something else to blame it on." They would be struck off and sued for this sort of failure.
You seem happy to just blame it on coincidence as John Watts as done. Going by your way of thinking, If a bus drives past at the same time you have a cerebral embolism, was it caused by the bus?

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Trying to copy my style and language doesn't help your cause.

I think most others here have argued that the crucial point that you seem to ignore is the timing when his symptoms appeared by engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of truth as well as defending Pfizer.

John Watts was well and healthy with no known conditions just as his family has described in their interviews. Most people here have told you that you are in a constant denial but you don't seem to accept it. Here is one of them

I'm not copying anything here, I'm just pointing out your errors in this subject which is lead purely by your cognative bias and assumptions.

Please post John Watts medical history that you seem to be aware of here? John Watts claims he was well but he could have had a number of underlying medical conditions he wasn't aware of and again the time frame of his injection and illness is unkown other than things like "soon after"
How many doctors do you know that "dig into your health history so we can find something else to blame it on." They would be struck off and sued for this sort of failure.
You seem happy to just blame it coincidence as John Watts as done. Going by your way of thinking, If a bus drives past at the same time you have a cerebral embolism, was it caused by the bus?

Do you see how desperate your arguments have become?! Now you are looking at stealth diseases?

Oh! Really?! Is it now a coincidence that he got this debilitating condition immediately after his booster vaccine? You seem to in a constant denial as pointed out to you by many other members. Unless you also claim they are anti-vaxxers and their word isn't credible.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Do you see how desperate your arguments have become?! Now you are looking at stealth diseases?

My arguments have always been the same, I'm not the flip-flopper here! Who said anything about stealth diseases? Again you're lying and making assumption based on you bias and personal agenda.
Go and try to read the link I posted to POTS and educate yourself on it's causes.

Oh! Really?! Is it now a coincidence that he got this debilitating condition immediately after his booster vaccine? You seem to in a constant denial as pointed out to you by many other members. Unless you also claim they are anti-vaxxers and their word isn't credible.

So you know it was immediately do you? how long was that? can you give a time scale from actual evidence? So you've spoken with him and know his medical history?
The constant denial is from you and the constant daily threads reeing about the vaccine. Please post these many members? I've been a member on this site for over 16 years, do you think a couple of people disagreeing with me bothers me much? Is this a childish sad attempt by you at "my gang is bigger than your gang" I wonder?
You really shouldn't get so upset...

Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning.
CHARLES TREMPER

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Do you see how desperate your arguments have become?! Now you are looking at stealth diseases?

My arguments have always been the same, I'm not the flip-flopper here! Who said anything about stealth diseases? Again you're lying and making assumption based on you bias and personal agenda.
Go and try to read the link I posted to POTS and educate yourself on it's causes.

Oh! Really?! Is it now a coincidence that he got this debilitating condition immediately after his booster vaccine? You seem to in a constant denial as pointed out to you by many other members. Unless you also claim they are anti-vaxxers and their word isn't credible.

So you know it was immediately do you? how long was that? can you give a time scale from actual evidence? So you've spoken with him and know his medical history?
The constant denial is from you and the constant daily threads reeing about the vaccine. Please post these many members? I've been a member on this site for over 16 years, do you think a couple of people disagreeing with me bothers me much? Is this a childish sad attempt by you at "my gang is bigger than your gang" I wonder?
You really shouldn't get so upset...

Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning.
CHARLES TREMPER

Yes the same terrible arguments where you now have added stealth diseases in the basket so to justify John Watts condition. Truly remarkable!

Have a look at how many others here have told you exactly what I have told you i.e that the most plausible explanation is the vaccine and not some form of stealth disease.

Are you joking?!


This isn't from me but someone else.

You are defending Pfizer by proxy. And you're stretching out towards infinity to deny that these experimental Covid drugs aren't the reason for massive debilitating side effects being reported on an unprecedented scale, which is also defending Pfizer and Moderna even if you didn't intend it that way, that is the bottom line.

And another one

but it makes as much sense as:" I got a vaccine, and immediately my health went to #" and you saying:" It couldn't be the vaccine, lets dig into your health history so we can find something else to blame it on."

Of course it bothers you a lot as your arguments have been repeatedly refuted.

a reply to: Kurokage
Are you saying that the vaccine hasn't ever caused POTS?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Posting a go fund me is against T&Cs
I hope John gets to sort out his POTS but he's not medically trained to give a diagnosis on it cause..
Hows that 40% death rate these days?

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Yes the same terrible arguments where you now have added stealth diseases in the basket so to justify John Watts condition. Truly remarkable!

Have a look at how many others here have told you exactly what I have told you i.e that the most plausible explanation is the vaccine and not some form of stealth disease.

Are you joking?!

Ahhh, you poor thing!
You just help but lie can you, please post all these "stealth" dieases I posted? Or are you saying that the only cause of POTS is the vaccine?
Please go and read the other posts by members who say it could be caused by multiple conditions/illnesses or are you that blinkered that you can't even see those posts? Untill more evidence is posted it's just assumptions that this was caused by the covid injection.

Of course it bothers you a lot as your arguments have been repeatedly refuted.

Are you getting more upset now? Take a few deep breaths, be careful, your mom might turn your access internet off!!

You clearly say there is something else and you have implied some stealth diseases in your desperate attempts not to accept the most plausible cause is the vaccine.

I know that you need 'infinite evidence' as someone else said... Stretching towards infinity with a range of absurd arguments...

You are defending Pfizer by proxy. And you're stretching out towards infinity to deny that these experimental Covid drugs aren't the reason for massive debilitating side effects being reported on an unprecedented scale, which is also defending Pfizer and Moderna even if you didn't intend it that way, that is the bottom line.

It is you who seems agitated after having been challenged by other members here. Everyone seems to agree that you are in a denial and can't accept that the vaccine is the most likely cause.

It is understood as you have emotionally invested in these products just as many other left leaning people who don't necessarily have a scientific or medical background. They just appeal to emotions.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Posting a go fund me is against T&Cs
I hope John gets to sort out his POTS but he's not medically trained to give a diagnosis on it cause..
Hows that 40% death rate these days?

I posted the go fund me page so you had more complete info......from the horses mouth so to speak.

Funny......I have never stated anything about 40% death rate.
Instead of keep accusing me of it..... quote where I did...you can't....because I never did!