Scot left unable to stand after Covid vaccine reaction raising money for stem cell treatment

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70
Evidence - the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I hate it when someone says “there is no evidence”. There is always evidence when you say there is “no evidence “ you are show your ignorance and lack of English comprehension.

Instead of being stupid and saying there is “no evidence” simply state what evidence you will accept. When someone develops a condition immediately following a vaccination it is indeed evidence. If you don’t like it and you want more then look for it. We are not a court of law. We are not held to any standards for our beliefs. Most people don’t catch their spouse in the act of cheating but you know.

I don’t need a court of law to tell me these vaccines are dangerous and if you do then you are deliberately obtuse. If this vaccine was for anything other than Covid it would have never been released, it would have been pulled, if it was released the company releasing it would be sued to oblivion.

I’m not taking it ever. That’s my evidence.

Indeed!!

There products are untested and potentially hazardous. They should have never been released in the general population as their safety and effectiveness have not been established and as it seems they could cause several severe adverse reactions.

It has been argued that debilitating conditions immediate after vaccinations or shortly after vaccinations are not good enough evidence for pointing to the vaccines or the the most plausible explanation. But that's what denialism of reality is.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

If there was not a vaccination with an untested and potentially hazardous product then the most plausible explanation would have been a viral infection.Unless you have some other underlying conditions such as diabetes or cancer or autoimmune diseases such as lupus.

Thats part of the problem right here. We don't know his family medical history or his recent medical history either.
This was part of the link I posted earlier..
Underlying causes of POTS

Common Comorbidities with POTS

Eighty percent of people with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome have POTS (but not the other way around). Most people with POTS have Type III EDS which is the hypermobility type. There is currently no known gene for this type of EDS, so diagnosis is made using family history and clinical evaluation. To meet the criteria for EDS Type III, patients must meet at least one of the major diagnostic criteria and two minor criteria.

Major Diagnostic Criteria for the Hypermobility Type of EDS
Joint hypermobility, which usually is confirmed by a score of five or more on the nine-point Beighton scale including:
-One point for bending the pinkie finger backwards beyond 90º
-One point for pulling the thumb to the forearm
-One point for hyperextension of each elbow >10º
-One point for hyperextension of each knee >10º
-One point for placing the palms on the floor with the knees fully extended
Soft or velvety skin with normal or slightly increased extensibility. A skin flap greater than 1.5 cm indicates increased extensibility.
Absence of skin or soft tissue fragility, which is suggestive of other types of EDS.
Molluscoid pseudotumors
Surgical complications, such as incisional hernia, wound splitting, or sutures tearing through tissues and failing to hold.
Minor Diagnostic Criteria for the Hypermobility Type of EDS
Family history of similar features without significant skin or soft tissue fragility in a pattern consistent with autosomal dominant inheritance
Recurrent joint dislocations or subluxations
Chronic joint or limb pain
Easy bruising
Functional bowel disorders (functional gastritis, irritable bowel syndrome)
Neurally mediated hypotension or postural orthostatic tachycardia
High, narrow palate
Dental crowding

Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS)

Mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS) is also commonly associated with POTS and can present in a wide variety of ways. Mast cells are normally found throughout the body, and are most famous for their role in allergy and inflammation. In the case of mast cell activation syndrome, the mast cells are frequently releasing too much histamine. Symptoms of mast cell activation syndrome include:

Recurrent abdominal pain
Flushing
Itching
Nasal congestion
Coughing
Chest tightness
Wheezing
Lightheadedness
Diarrhea
Blood and urine tests can be run to confirm this diagnosis including blood tryptase levels and N-methyl histamine and prostaglandin D2 among others in a 24 hour urine sample. Allergists or immunologists are most likely to understand, diagnose, and treat MCAS.

Perhaps most importantly, people with mast cell activation syndrome will see an improvement in the above symptoms when they take a combination of Histamine-1 (Zyrtec, Benedryl) and Histamine-2 (Pepcid-AC) antagonists. Talk with your doctor about trying this regimen for a week to see if your symptoms improve.

You're very quick to say that I'm defending the vaccine without posting any evidence, instead all I've done is point out that there could be plenty of other causes as to way John Watts has POTS, until actual evidence of the cause is found,
It's like many other threads here ATS when it comes to the vaccine.
ATS isn't full of threads by people claiming how wonderful the vaccine is, which would support your claims of vaccine apologetics. It's full of threads by people making assumptions that the vaccine is killing more people than the evidence actually suggests.

68.6% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70
Evidence - the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I hate it when someone says “there is no evidence”. There is always evidence when you say there is “no evidence “ you are show your ignorance and lack of English comprehension.

Instead of being stupid and saying there is “no evidence” simply state what evidence you will accept. When someone develops a condition immediately following a vaccination it is indeed evidence. If you don’t like it and you want more then look for it. We are not a court of law. We are not held to any standards for our beliefs. Most people don’t catch their spouse in the act of cheating but you know.

I don’t need a court of law to tell me these vaccines are dangerous and if you do then you are deliberately obtuse. If this vaccine was for anything other than Covid it would have never been released, it would have been pulled, if it was released the company releasing it would be sued to oblivion.

I’m not taking it ever. That’s my evidence.

Indeed!!

There products are untested and potentially hazardous. They should have never been released in the general population as their safety and effectiveness have not been established and as it seems they could cause several severe adverse reactions.

It has been argued that debilitating conditions immediate after vaccinations or shortly after vaccinations are not good enough evidence for pointing to the vaccines or the the most plausible explanation. But that's what denialism of reality is.

Also if you don’t consist and dismiss it then the drug companies are not forced to defend it. Absent the drug companies defending it it is indeed the best and only evidence out there.

This is just like the elections. When you know the fix is in you shut up and hide in the basement.

a reply to: Kurokage

Here is what another member said

You are defending Pfizer by proxy. And you're stretching out towards infinity to deny that these experimental Covid drugs aren't the reason for massive debilitating side effects being reported on an unprecedented scale, which is also defending Pfizer and Moderna even if you didn't intend it that way, that is the bottom line.

Note that he is also saying about the experimental Covid drugs.

And yes you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

So you actually can't defend your position and are now just posting someones eles posts parrot fashion.
So do you know John Watts family medical history?
The apologetics are purley in the anti-vax camp who blindly follow and post social media like it's fact and then defend it.



The denail is from you my friend.

Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning.
CHARLES TREMPER

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

So you actually can't defend your position and are now just posting someones eles posts parrot fashion.
So do you know John Watts family medical history?
The apologetics are purley in the anti-vax camp who blindly follow and post social media like it's fact and then defend it.



The denail is from you my friend.

Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning.
CHARLES TREMPER

Me and the other member saying exactly the same. That you are in a denial over the situation and you engage in vaccine apologetics continuously. In this way you defend the pharmaceuticals. You can do so as it's your right but this will not change either my position or the position of others. The person who can't defend his position is you.

Calling others 'anti-vaxxers' it's probably an honour by now.

John Watt was fine according to his family. But according to vaccine apologists he might have had a stealth condition/disease.

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70
Evidence - the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I hate it when someone says “there is no evidence”. There is always evidence when you say there is “no evidence “ you are show your ignorance and lack of English comprehension.

Instead of being stupid and saying there is “no evidence” simply state what evidence you will accept. When someone develops a condition immediately following a vaccination it is indeed evidence. If you don’t like it and you want more then look for it. We are not a court of law. We are not held to any standards for our beliefs. Most people don’t catch their spouse in the act of cheating but you know.

I don’t need a court of law to tell me these vaccines are dangerous and if you do then you are deliberately obtuse. If this vaccine was for anything other than Covid it would have never been released, it would have been pulled, if it was released the company releasing it would be sued to oblivion.

I’m not taking it ever. That’s my evidence.

Indeed!!

There products are untested and potentially hazardous. They should have never been released in the general population as their safety and effectiveness have not been established and as it seems they could cause several severe adverse reactions.

It has been argued that debilitating conditions immediate after vaccinations or shortly after vaccinations are not good enough evidence for pointing to the vaccines or the the most plausible explanation. But that's what denialism of reality is.

Also if you don’t consist and dismiss it then the drug companies are not forced to defend it. Absent the drug companies defending it it is indeed the best and only evidence out there.

This is just like the elections. When you know the fix is in you shut up and hide in the basement.

The pharmaceutical companies unfortunately have too much power and can directly affect decision making. It's up to the people to call them out and call out those who are complicit in the Government and the MSM.

There are also those who promote the interests of the pharma without intending to do so (from the public) and the vaccine apologists.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The only way you can keep going is to post of topic comments written by others. It's like you want a mod the close the thread because you can't defened you incorrect stance on the subject of whether John Watts actually developed POTS through other means or via vaccination.
I agree, you're entilted to your opinion but like you do in other threads when people who's opinion differs to yours, you tell them they are wrong and try to insult them.

I haven't once in this thread claimed that the vaccine didn't actually cause his problems, all I've said is that the likelyhood it was caused by the vaccine is just an assumption.
There are far more likely causes which I've posted links to but in every instance I post you claim I'm incorrect and that it was caused by the vaccine, yet you don't have a single piece of evidence to support your claims. You just assume its was caused by the vaccine and try to correct anybody else that disagrees.

No article as yet has shown his or his families medical history or whether he recently suffered from covid or a multitude of other causes. It is only John Watts claim that covid vaccine is the cause of his POTS.
How often to you go to the Doctors or are admitted to hospital, describe your symptoms and tell them what you think is wrong and then also dictate what illness you have?
You wait on varying tests and examinations for an answer. But not in this case? Why? Because of assumptions and bias based purely on things lie social media posts.

a reply to: Kurokage


Don't worry about it. I don't think most people here want to engage with those who engage in vaccine apologetics and defending of the pharmaceutical companies. ATS is definitely not a place for vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

In terms of your analysis I think your arguments are rather delusional if you think myself or others are not able to defend their positions. It's also delusional to claim that other causes are equally or even more plausible given that John Watts developed debilitating conditions immediately after getting the vaccine. The most plausible explanation is the vaccine unless you engage in vaccine apologetics and defending Prizer.

There is no need for you to explain further.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

There is no need for you to explain further.

Yes I know, because you refuse to see the truth of the matter and would rather live in denial...

Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning.
CHARLES TREMPER

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

There is no need for you to explain further.

Yes I know, because you refuse to see the truth of the matter and would rather live in denial...

Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning.
CHARLES TREMPER

You are defending Pfizer by proxy. And you're stretching out towards infinity to deny that these experimental Covid drugs aren't the reason for massive debilitating side effects being reported on an unprecedented scale, which is also defending Pfizer and Moderna even if you didn't intend it that way, that is the bottom line.

What is the truth? Vaccine apologetics and Pfizer defending? Or denialism.

Let me use this little quote

Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning.
CHARLES TREMPER

It applies a lot in your case.

If you think that the most plausible explanation for John Watt's condition isn't the vaccine then it means you are emotionally invested in these products just as all other left leaning members who don't necessarily have any background in science and medicine. But they get emotional...

a reply to: Asmodeus3

It's clearly you who is emotionally invested in trying to demonize the covid vaccine, I have stated clearly to you several times in multiple threads, that I haven't made any claims about the vaccine, I have also stated that just like other vaccinations, it can and does have side effects.
What you and others seem to enjoy doing is promoting your daily threads of hearsay and Doom Porn.
This case is click bait about John Watts and family, who are the only ones who have made the claims that it was caused by the covid vaccination. There's no mention of family medical history or even if he's been infected by covid or any of the other numerous causes of POTS recently. Just your assumptions.

This quote refers to you and your tactics here my friend.

Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning.
CHARLES TREMPER

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

It's clearly you who is emotionally invested in trying to demonize the covid vaccine, I have stated clearly to you several times in multiple threads, that I haven't made any claims about the vaccine, I have also stated that just like other vaccinations, it can and does have side effects.
What you and others seem to enjoy doing is promoting your daily threads of hearsay and Doom Porn.
This case is click bait about John Watts and family, who are the only ones who have made the claims that it was caused by the covid vaccination. There's no mention of family medical history or even if he's been infected by covid or any of the other numerous causes of POTS recently. Just your assumptions.

This quote refers to you and your tactics here my friend.

Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning.
CHARLES TREMPER

Of course you have made several statements and some absurd rhetoric as you are emotionally invedred in these products and engaging in vaccine apologetics.

You are defending Pfizer by proxy. And you're stretching out towards infinity to deny that these experimental Covid drugs aren't the reason for massive debilitating side effects being reported on an unprecedented scale, which is also defending Pfizer and Moderna even if you didn't intend it that way, that is the bottom line.

You can't even see that the most plausible explanation for John Watt's condition is the vaccine and not a viral infection or climate change or the... Republicans...

a reply to: Asmodeus3

You can't even see that the most plausible explanation for John Watt's condition is the vaccine and not a viral infection or climate change or the... Republicans...

How is it the most plausible explanation? Because John Watts says so? I must of missed the part in the article that says he's medically trained?
I see you're also going for childish strawman arguements.
Oh, how low you've stooped?!?!?

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

You can't even see that the most plausible explanation for John Watt's condition is the vaccine and not a viral infection or climate change or the... Republicans...

How is it the most plausible explanation? Because John Watts says so? I must of missed the part in the article that says he's medically trained?
I see you're also going for childish strawman arguements.
Oh, how low you've stooped?!?!?

It is the most plausible explanation just as most others have said so far given the circumstances. Unless one engages in vaccine apologetics and defense of the pharmaceuticals.

If you cannot accept this is the most plausible explanation is because you don't want to not because it isn't.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

It is the most plausible explanation just as most others have said so far given the circumstances. Unless one engages in vaccine apologetics and defense of the pharmaceuticals.

And plenty of other members have disagreed with yours and John Watts assumption. There's this little thing called evidence thats needed and not just doom porn assumptions.
If I do what you do in most threads and assume, then John Watts proberbly thinks he will get a nice little payout if he says it was caused by the vaccine.

a reply to: Kurokage

If someone shoots a hole in my chest, and I begin to bleed from it, and require medical attention, are we going to consider my medical history as to the cause of this mysterious red substance now profusely pouring out of my chest??

According to the story from this guy, it started pretty much immediately after getting the jabs, yet you ignore it, and are desperately attempting to find anything else to blame it on.

Here's some headlines from stories in major publications that will clear up this mystery. Take your pick, cause every one of them is just as ridiculous as your argument.

"Woman who ate the same fruit every day loses leg to blood clots."

"Video games could trigger heart attacks in children"

"Heart Attack: Does skipping breakfast increase your risk?"

"Green Fingers: Urgent warning to gardeners as soil causing heart attacks."

"Heart attack risk linked to Pandemic stress and poor diet."

" Falling asleep with the TV on could bring early sudden death: Study"

"Do you live under a flight path? You may be at risk for a heart attack."

"Lonely women at greater risk for heart attack study finds."

"Climate change can hurt children's hearts study says."

"Experts warn that shoveling snow can be a deadly way to uncover undiagnosed heart conditions."

a reply to: Kurokage

It is the most plausible explanation as his health deteriorated immediately after he received his Pfizer booster.

The family has said that he was healthy up to this point and he has no understanding long term conditions and had no Covid either.

The only people who think this isn't the most plausible explanation i.e caused by the vaccine are those who engage in vaccine apologetics and those who are defending Pfizer.

a reply to: MaxxAction

Please tell me how a gunshot wound has anything to do with POTS and it's causes. You really comparing apples and oranges!!!

It has more in common with you walking into the doctors with a mystery rash for example. Until your medical history and recent changes in life style have been looked at, the causes could be because of a multitude of things.

I'm not trying to blame it on anything unlike other members here who are blinkered and biased into blaming anything and everthing on the vaccine.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: Kurokage

It is the most plausible explanation as his health deteriorated immediately after he received his Pfizer booster.

The family has said that he was healthy up to this point and he has no understanding long term conditions and had no Covid either.

The only people who think this isn't the most plausible explanation i.e caused by the vaccine are those who engage in vaccine apologetics and those who are defending Pfizer.

The family haven't said a thing about his medical history, and we all know that you can walk around and look healthy and have lots of health issues.
The only people who instantly blame the vaccine on everything are anti-vaccine apologists and people suffering from cognative bias!