Puzzling quadruple murder in Idaho

a reply to: nugget1

You're not from the LC Valley are you???

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Fairtrade141
Here is a thought. You have 6 people living in the house. 4 are dead, 2 are alive. They heard and saw nothing. Toxicology on the victims likely will bear out they were sedated with a narcotic. When someone is impaired, they can be murdered with a knife quite easily. The two went to a food truck. The food could have been the delivery device. One or both survivors could have either been sedated or been the killer. As someone else posted, snaking the drains of all the showers would be telling as to how the killer or killer’s got away unseen and unheard. A food truck video seems to be an interesting piece of evidence. How much food did they buy?

I doubt this is a cult or a serial killer. This is likely an internal issue in the house. a reply to: sarahvital

The food truck sells specialty macaroni and cheese and tacos, the girls ordered 1 order of Mac and cheese for both of them apparently.
www.thegrubtruck.com...

I have seen their live streams on Twitch long before the murders happened and after I saw that they were on camera at the truck, I went and watched the recorded video which they keep on their page.
Here is the link to the entire video from that night, the girls appear about 3 hours and 45 minutes in, I think it was.

www.twitch.tv...

Who's the guy in the white hoodie with the baseball cap on?

If it's the same two girls, Blonde, One with the knees out of her jeans and the other with a short pink top? then the white hoodie guy turns up at the same time as the girls. Keeps an eye on them and leaves when they leave. He doesn't buy anything. They don't appear to be together. He leaves in an opposite direction but he certainly shows an interest in those girls.

Definitely a person of interest

originally posted by: 5ofineed5aladder
a reply to: Gandalf77
I don't get how there are no blood stains outside unless this person is very good at what they do. Left their shoes outside and also covered their body to not leave blood stains plus change of clothes.

That makes me wonder if someone took their tips from a Reacher episode, to be honest.
Not to spolier, but in the series, murders are committed by environmental suit-donning folks to avoid cross-contamination.

Although I still wonder if it was a relative with green eyes, or some axe to grind

a reply to: ColoradoTemplar

Maybe one and done, back before Labor Day 2001 AD.
P M me and I can explain the antipode angles. The master dowser in Pembrokeshire, Wales who tagged Qom, Iran has passed on. Only the Idaho Panhandle is in the Pacific Time zone, You enter Mountain time at Time Zone Bridge outside Riggens, on the Salmon River. But Oregon is all in Pacific Time Zone.

originally posted by: 19Bones79

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Fairtrade141
Here is a thought. You have 6 people living in the house. 4 are dead, 2 are alive. They heard and saw nothing. Toxicology on the victims likely will bear out they were sedated with a narcotic. When someone is impaired, they can be murdered with a knife quite easily. The two went to a food truck. The food could have been the delivery device. One or both survivors could have either been sedated or been the killer. As someone else posted, snaking the drains of all the showers would be telling as to how the killer or killer’s got away unseen and unheard. A food truck video seems to be an interesting piece of evidence. How much food did they buy?

I doubt this is a cult or a serial killer. This is likely an internal issue in the house. a reply to: sarahvital

The food truck sells specialty macaroni and cheese and tacos, the girls ordered 1 order of Mac and cheese for both of them apparently.
www.thegrubtruck.com...

I have seen their live streams on Twitch long before the murders happened and after I saw that they were on camera at the truck, I went and watched the recorded video which they keep on their page.
Here is the link to the entire video from that night, the girls appear about 3 hours and 45 minutes in, I think it was.

www.twitch.tv...

Who's the guy in the white hoodie with the baseball cap on?

If it's the same two girls, Blonde, One with the knees out of her jeans and the other with a short pink top? then the white hoodie guy turns up at the same time as the girls. Keeps an eye on them and leaves when they leave. He doesn't buy anything. They don't appear to be together. He leaves in an opposite direction but he certainly shows an interest in those girls.

Definitely a person of interest

There's been a lot of speculation about the white hoodie guy at the food truck, but I think it's been reported that the police have cleared him.

a reply to: RazorV66


I saw a quick story about it in the news. They showed a roommate/neighbor occupant of the bldg? returning to get some things. I saw him slightly smile. Thought that was strange.

originally posted by: dangermouse
a reply to: nugget1

You're not from the LC Valley are you???

Yes, since 1975. Currently living in an undisclosed (for privacy reasons) outlying area.

What gave it away? The reference to 'Keystone Cops'?

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: 5ofineed5aladder
a reply to: Gandalf77
I don't get how there are no blood stains outside unless this person is very good at what they do. Left their shoes outside and also covered their body to not leave blood stains plus change of clothes.

That makes me wonder if someone took their tips from a Reacher episode, to be honest.
Not to spolier, but in the series, murders are committed by environmental suit-donning folks to avoid cross-contamination.

Although I still wonder if it was a relative with green eyes, or some axe to grind

Unfortunately I found a suicide victim that shot themselves in the heart with a 22. No blood splatter, very little blood. If the victims were in bed covered up, and the blows to the chest. Why would there be blood everywhere.

Very different if there was cuts to the jugular.

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: 5ofineed5aladder
a reply to: Gandalf77
I don't get how there are no blood stains outside unless this person is very good at what they do. Left their shoes outside and also covered their body to not leave blood stains plus change of clothes.

That makes me wonder if someone took their tips from a Reacher episode, to be honest.
Not to spolier, but in the series, murders are committed by environmental suit-donning folks to avoid cross-contamination.

Although I still wonder if it was a relative with green eyes, or some axe to grind

Unfortunately I found a suicide victim that shot themselves in the heart with a 22. No blood splatter, very little blood. If the victims were in bed covered up, and the blows to the chest. Why would there be blood everywhere.

Very different if there was cuts to the jugular.

Investigators are being pretty tightlipped with details for obvious reasons, but pictures shown on the news of the outside of the house show blood streaking down the concrete foundation from under the siding. That suggests it was much more than a simple stabbing.

a reply to: WhatItIs

This Moscow operation may only be for creds with some radical group? Now, whoever pointed this team to 1122 King Road, knows for sure that this team are the real deal. No undercover agents would go this far. If I guessed right, these radicals do bombs if someone supplies them. Oregon also uses a blue field in their State Flag, is in Pacific std. Time, and has much better targets than North Idaho. “ Miserable tin can, Press on, Honorable Carrier “! Japanese idioglyphs painted on a U S Destroyer’s gun turrets. That worked for a while too! These guys will tip their hand, sooner, rather than later! Quds flags use a blue field too, and Qom is the Antipodal meridian of North Idaho, and Oregon.

a reply to: WhatItIs

What part about "cross-contamination" didn't seem to jive? If they managed a lightweight sealed barrier, they'd leave little to nothing of them behind.

Which would make finding tangible clues like prints, hair & skin much harder, thus making identifying & finding the suspect harder to accomplish.

Wouldn't even have to have a manufactured & traceable suit per se, just enough materials & ingenuity to make one out of something.

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: 5ofineed5aladder
a reply to: Gandalf77
I don't get how there are no blood stains outside unless this person is very good at what they do. Left their shoes outside and also covered their body to not leave blood stains plus change of clothes.

That makes me wonder if someone took their tips from a Reacher episode, to be honest.
Not to spolier, but in the series, murders are committed by environmental suit-donning folks to avoid cross-contamination.

Although I still wonder if it was a relative with green eyes, or some axe to grind

Unfortunately I found a suicide victim that shot themselves in the heart with a 22. No blood splatter, very little blood. If the victims were in bed covered up, and the blows to the chest. Why would there be blood everywhere.

Very different if there was cuts to the jugular.

Investigators are being pretty tightlipped with details for obvious reasons, but pictures shown on the news of the outside of the house show blood streaking down the concrete foundation from under the siding. That suggests it was much more than a simple stabbing.

Maybe there was that much blood. Or the bed and or victim was by the window and just bleed out against the wall. You can bleed out without a huge initial blood splatter.


The suicide victim I found turned from the truth of shooting themselves in the heart with a 22 to rumors about how they shot their head off with a shotgun.

The reason I didn’t see much blood is because they bled out and down into the recliner they were sitting in.

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: WhatItIs

What part about "cross-contamination" didn't seem to jive? If they managed a lightweight sealed barrier, they'd leave little to nothing of them behind.

Which would make finding tangible clues like prints, hair & skin much harder, thus making identifying & finding the suspect harder to accomplish.

Wouldn't even have to have a manufactured & traceable suit per se, just enough materials & ingenuity to make one out of something.

How many people were living together? With how many other people coming and going. And if there was a recent party. It would be like trying to find biological evidence from a murderer at a hair Solon murder. Too much noise.

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: 5ofineed5aladder
a reply to: Gandalf77
I don't get how there are no blood stains outside unless this person is very good at what they do. Left their shoes outside and also covered their body to not leave blood stains plus change of clothes.

That makes me wonder if someone took their tips from a Reacher episode, to be honest.
Not to spolier, but in the series, murders are committed by environmental suit-donning folks to avoid cross-contamination.

Although I still wonder if it was a relative with green eyes, or some axe to grind

Unfortunately I found a suicide victim that shot themselves in the heart with a 22. No blood splatter, very little blood. If the victims were in bed covered up, and the blows to the chest. Why would there be blood everywhere.

Very different if there was cuts to the jugular.

Investigators are being pretty tightlipped with details for obvious reasons, but pictures shown on the news of the outside of the house show blood streaking down the concrete foundation from under the siding. That suggests it was much more than a simple stabbing.

Maybe there was that much blood. Or the bed and or victim was by the window and just bleed out against the wall. You can bleed out without a huge initial blood splatter.


The suicide victim I found turned from the truth of shooting themselves in the heart with a 22 to rumors about how they shot their head off with a shotgun.

The reason I didn’t see much blood is because they bled out and down into the recliner they were sitting in.

There's a big difference between a 22 round entering one's chest cavity and somebody- four somebodies-bleeding out from multiple stab wounds.

I was a ballistic technician for 10 years; your one-off anecdotal conjecture lacks supporting evidence.

Everybody is entitled to draw false conclusions based on only biased opinions, but you're expressing them to the wrong gal here.

Pick another partner; my dance card is full.

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: dangermouse
a reply to: nugget1

You're not from the LC Valley are you???

Yes, since 1975. Currently living in an undisclosed (for privacy reasons) outlying area.

What gave it away? The reference to 'Keystone Cops'?

Kinda, just the whole bumbling of the Valley Serial Killer thing... and I've lived here since then too...

a reply to: dangermouse

Don't forget the Tedder case and especially the Arrasmith case where the acting sheriff tipped his pedo friends off....
Then there's the.....

a reply to: nugget1

You

There's a big difference between a 22 round entering one's chest cavity and somebody- four somebodies-bleeding out from multiple stab wounds.

Depends on how how covered the victims were, and where they were stabbed.

I was a ballistic technician for 10 years; your one-off anecdotal conjecture lacks supporting evidence.

Ok? Prove me wrong.

I don’t want to get this graphic. Good solid stab to the chest through thick blankets. Keep the blade planted until blood pressure goes to zero. Then repeat.

originally posted by: WhatItIs
a reply to: nugget1

You

There's a big difference between a 22 round entering one's chest cavity and somebody- four somebodies-bleeding out from multiple stab wounds.

Depends on how how covered the victims were, and where they were stabbed.

I was a ballistic technician for 10 years; your one-off anecdotal conjecture lacks supporting evidence.

Ok? Prove me wrong.

I don’t want to get this graphic. Good solid stab to the chest through thick blankets. Keep the blade planted until blood pressure goes to zero. Then repeat.

You win.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: dangermouse

Don't forget the Tedder case and especially the Arrasmith case where the acting sheriff tipped his pedo friends off....
Then there's the.....

Ok now you're vetted... Toni was three blocks away when it happened... My younger brother was the last to see her. Oh and he was cleared btw.

a reply to: dangermouse

A very dear friend was a Captain in law enforcement-NOT city! lol. Between city and county, any evidence that could have solved the crime was completely contaminated.

The sister used to come into the cafe where we had coffee every day. Her behavior was....unusual, IMO. Really seemed to love being in the limelight.

Springston was also a regular.....small towns draw all kinds. lol