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It doesn't make any sense to kill off the obedient

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posted on Nov, 4 2022 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

Nothing is wrong with a vaccine that reduces symptoms and saves lives. It would be great if we had one. Plus I am sure that all the reasons given for the excess mortality are quite valid, but these reasons can not account for the vastly increased levels of excess mortality being reported in previously young healthy people. Especially the super fit. People are dying, and the numbers are getting fudged to downplay the seriousness, we are all going to die , it's only a matter of when, but the sickness levels will be the determining factor on the extent that societies are damaged, modern societies have no real redundancy so the collapse, if it happens, should be fast, in the various sectors impacted. Let's be frank by now we all should be seeing symptoms.
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posted on Nov, 4 2022 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: chr0naut


Conclusion

Ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID-19. Treatment is more effective when used early. Meta analysis using the most serious outcome shows 62% [51‑70%] and 83% [74‑89%] improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis, with similar results after exclusion based sensitivity analysis, for primary outcomes, for peer-reviewed studies, and for RCTs. Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, ventilation, ICU admission, hospitalization, recovery, cases, and viral clearance. All remain significant after exclusions. 58 studies from 52 independent teams in 22 different countries show statistically significant improvements in isolation (40 for primary outcomes, and 38 for the most serious outcome). Results are very robust — in worst case exclusion sensitivity analysis 59 of 93 studies must be excluded to avoid finding statistically significant efficacy.


Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 93 studies

Brazil and india has huge toxity problem, making people sick .


Perhaps if they could remove all the social media posts, youtube video's, anti-vax websites, and self citations from their 'Refrences', I could take their argument seriously. The FLCCC publish websites full of inaccurate, misrepresented, and outright false statements. It reminds me of the 'Tobacco Institute' BS that tried to prove that smoking is harmless, contrary to a century of contrary evidence, but now powered by the Internet.

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posted on Nov, 4 2022 @ 03:57 PM
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originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Blaine91555
That is what you are supposed to think. Even as the average death rates are going up when logic suggests they should now be going down. It is totally inconceivable that a democratically elected government would engage in a depopulation program.


Since the number of COVID infections are higher than they have ever been, as the disease becomes endemic. Why would you think "logic suggests" that death rates should be going down?



posted on Nov, 4 2022 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Because of the safe effective vaccine?



posted on Nov, 4 2022 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: mblahnikluver

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: JAGStorm

Covid has killed 6.5 million in a three year period.

It is becoming endemic. Mutating to new forms more than seasonally.

Those who oppose any reasonable defense against the disease, are making the problem worse.

10 million a year die from various forms of cancer....where is your concern for those numbers?


My son died of cancer, leaving a widow and a child and a grieving extended family. I am deeply concerned with the numbers of cancer deaths. The initial research into mRNA pharmaceuticals was in regard to oncology and it still has great promise in that regard.

I also advocate strongly for carcinogens to be removed from the human environment and legislated against, where possible. However, there is strong opposition to that because some wish to continue using carcinogens (like ethyl alcohol drinks) or because the alternatives are expensive.

That is why a legislative response is necessary but difficult.


I do not believe any numbers for covid, they are lies.


Why? What advantage does any doctor or university researcher or government health department get by lying? And, consider how many systems are in place to ensure that they tell the truth, and that would prosecute them for falsifying data?


Our local hospital got caught lying on numbers mid plandemic!


I bet you it didn't, and was accused of lying well before any data was actually collated or released (because it makes a great headline and sells!). Because real falsification of medical data leads to malpractice lawsuits and is expensive for hospitals.


It was laughable! I know a few people who died during covid, one was end stage kidney failure (forced to get the vaccine) and died but they said covid killed him. Uh no the cancer killed him


Are you qualified to make that diagnosis? Couldn't it be that he was suffering from respiratory distress unrelated to his kidney condition at the time of his death and that the kidney failure was a comorbidity?


and the , their frankenshot just made his death sooner!


How could it make it worse that it already was?

Why would you think, or even suggest, that a vaccination that has been administered billions of times, and that has no noted adverse reactions regarding the kidney, should hasten kidney failure?

Where is your data that shows that the vaccines hasten death from kidney failure?

If you have no such data, could you conceive that your opinion is perhaps displaying an anti-vaccine cognitive bias and is baseless in fact?


He was also in his 80s. There WAS a FB group of people who had family or friends die of something NON covid related but it was labeled covid on their DC. Nurses were commenting anonymously the same thing.


There is NOTHING on social media that prevents people from saying whatever they want, and people lie, or misconstrue the truth, just to be part of a 'peer' group - that is how it works, otherwise, no one would waste time contributing to social media - they do it for the feelz, and damn the truth!


So yea I do not believe their numbers. They are there to 'scare' the ones who can't think for themselves. If something is truly and I mean TRULY pandemic the world would still be shut down.....oh wait I live in a state that didn't shut down, our governor gave the middle finger on that and vaccine requirements.

I will NEVER get any vaccine.

If you have to bribe and threaten people to get a vaccine that is NOT OK! I have friends who got the shot and NOW they wish they didn't because they have all been sick in one way or another AND they all got covid multiple times...but hey some were threatened with their jobs to get the shot and others were given a bonus to get the shot. There isn't anything in this world that could convince me to take that shot. Nope, no amount of money in the world.


I wish you the best, but I ask you to consider what, exactly, you are doing to mitigate a disease that has at least played a part in the death of "a few people" you know?

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posted on Nov, 4 2022 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

Because of the safe effective vaccine?


Yes. The vaccines have all been shown to be extremely safe - far safer than most over the counter medications, and all of them have been shown to be quite effective, both in clinical trials, and also in the reduction in deaths and hospitalization of those who have tested positive for COVID.



posted on Nov, 4 2022 @ 04:58 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

Because its not a vaccine. And I dont believe for one second it has saved anybody.

They lied about efficacy, they said you would not catch it or spread it, why do you believe they are telling the truth about less symptoms?


They have done nothing but lie



posted on Nov, 4 2022 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: andr3w68
a reply to: chr0naut

No, people who refuse to take the vax and wear masks are not making the problem worse.


People who are not vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 carry and transmit the disease longer than those who are vaccinated. They spread the disease more effectively (on average).

Similarly, infected people (who in early stages of the infection are symptom free or may never show symptoms), who wear masks do not project exhalations that contain the virus as far as those without a mask. This means that those without a mask are more effective spreaders of the disease.


Viruses mutate and spread each year, many different kinds of them. Generally, like COVID 19(SARS COV II), this means that they actually do LESS harm to the host but become more virulent instead.


I think you mean 'more infectious and less virulent'.


So, once again, tell me how not wearing a mask which doesn't contain the exhaled virus in the first place, and not taking a vaccine that doesn't stop you from spreading the virus makes anything worse, other than your personal health that is.


Masks don't filter virus particles out of the air. They work to reduce the flow of exhalations, inhibiting the distance they travel, and lengthening the time taken.

In the case of virus particles, this allows oxidization and UV exposure to inactivate them, before they can reach another host.

Also, in the first 3-48 hours of infection, most people are symptom free, but are still able to transmit the virus.

Wearing a mask has been shown to reduce transmission of the virus.

When surgeons wear masks during an operation it isn't to protect them from the patient, it is to stop them transmitting something to the patients who are usually immune compromised during surgery and recovery. We have hundreds of years of proof of the effectiveness of this.

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posted on Nov, 4 2022 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: pureblood69
a reply to: Blaine91555
Because its not a vaccine.


But it is. Why would you think it isn't?


And I dont believe for one second it has saved anybody.


Yet there were clinical studies showing reduced viral loads and durations in those who were vaccinated and the national statistics showed the rate of those who tested positive and were hospitalized or died, dropped markedly among those who were vaccinated.


They lied about efficacy, they said you would not catch it or spread it, why do you believe they are telling the truth about less symptoms?

They have done nothing but lie


I think you will find that it was the politicians and media who said that.

No vaccine has ever been perfect, but with time and coverage, diseases have been greatly reduced and one disease even eliminated.

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posted on Nov, 4 2022 @ 05:40 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

It's been going on for ages love.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe it's a cult 'believer/non believer' thing - who knows?

One thing's for sure, human beings are crazy.

X



posted on Nov, 4 2022 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

I was discussing this with a fellow traveller, and we tried to find a situation that DID make sense, something that would explain it.

One of the ones we came up with was a little out there, but...
ok. the Vax apparently is killing people by causing excessive clotting, so what if the Powers that be were convinced there was going to be a event that reduced peoples clotting ability? possibilities include Nuclear War, but also include cosmological events.
The earths magnetic pole flips; this has become established fact. the flip has happened, historically, in as little as 10,000 years, and can be as much as 50 million years (though that span could just mean they missed the evidence that it happened more often in that period.) It's been 780000 years since the last flip.

maybe they think it's flipping, which would weaken the magnetosphere, which would allow radiation from the sun that hits the ground to REALLY ramp up, which would reduce human clotting ability?

yeah, I don't think that's it.

I think it's more likely the 2nd of two giant mistakes. Mistake 1 was accidentally releasing a engineered bioweapon in Wuhan in October, 2019; all those reports of massive deaths, 10,000 person open cremation piles seen from satellite, people dropping in the streets was actually TRUE. Type L. They had to release the "natural" version, Type S, which while it sucked it had a death rate INCREDIBLY lower...so they intentionally spread it, far and wide. if you survive type S, you are immune to type L. (note: there is some evidence that this is true; check out one of the earliest released studies by institute Pasteur).

The "vaccine" was possibly intended to actually work and they were mistaken.

or not. They DID try a MRNA vaccine before, you know. They came out with a MRNA HIV vaccine, it seemed to work, but it human trials it turned out to destroy the immune system and essentially cause AIDS. so, pretty much what THIS version does.



posted on Nov, 5 2022 @ 02:16 AM
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The depopulation agenda has never made any sense. Ever.

Population = profit.

Lower population = less profit.

It's beyond ridiculous to think the 1% would want to kill off all the people they can make money from e.g. through pharmaceutical addiction.

And as you note, why would they take out the compliant people, leaving all the supposed free thinkers and rebels?

It's one of the more ridiculous conspiracy theories peddled by the nut jobs.



posted on Nov, 5 2022 @ 02:22 AM
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originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: JAGStorm
I've been pondering this for a while.

We've often discussed tptb (or some evil powers) that there is a scheme to kill off people. A central theme is that they will do it with the vaccinations.
It is widly accepted that this is being pushed by the left, the liberal and the liberal media.
On the opposite side, it is mostly conservatives that are against the vaccines.

So if the media and the left are so pro vaccines, would they push it on the people that would support them the most?
That dosen't make any sense. If anything they would want the people against it to perish.

Remember, those in charge have a much deeper understanding of human nature. Just like how Insurance agencies can predict death pretty accurately, those in charge -know- human behavior. They know who will vaccinate and who won't.

So this leads me to believe one of two things.

-Covid is much much worse than any of us can imagine, mild now but maybe much worse later on. Vaccines actually do help, if even a little. This would explain the unbelieveable measures China is taking.
or

-The vaccines are much worse than any of us can image and it will take out the obedient while the skeptics, and survivalist will prevail.
In a way... Eugenics...

or C..

Both the vaccines and covid is much worse than we can imagine and they are only delaying the inevitable and trying to kill off as many of us as possible. Oddly if this is the case, this would also explain the whole Abortion debate. Get as many people to argue about it and bring it to light, and more people will want to do it and accept it. Just like the war on drugs made drug use so much worse.

hmmmm.






It's a bigger picture than immediate deaths from the vaccines. Some are saying there will be wars, famines and economic collapse as well.

But beyond the immediate deaths, they aren't supposed to "kick in" for 4 or 5 years. And beyond that, depending on the concoction people receive their children might be sterile. Affecting birth rates long term has much more of an impact that the initial 20% sustained increase in all cause mortality.


I love how you always make comments like this as if you're stating facts.

Provide data to back up your fantasies or add something like "i have a theory".



posted on Nov, 5 2022 @ 08:59 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: JAGStorm


LOL No it hasn't. There may have been 6.5 million people with covid labeled on their death certificate but I can guarantee you that not all of them died because of covid.
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posted on Nov, 5 2022 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: fencesitter85
The depopulation agenda has never made any sense. Ever.

Population = profit.

Lower population = less profit.

It's beyond ridiculous to think the 1% would want to kill off all the people they can make money from e.g. through pharmaceutical addiction.

And as you note, why would they take out the compliant people, leaving all the supposed free thinkers and rebels?

It's one of the more ridiculous conspiracy theories peddled by the nut jobs.


It's not about profit, it's about maintaining power and control. The less people there is, the easier it is to maintain that control. Profit is completely irrelevant.



posted on Nov, 5 2022 @ 09:59 AM
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They want the stupid unquestioning bewildered herd dead. They want the resisters, free thinkers and intelligentsia alive. Most of the people I know who resisted mandates are skilled professionals and/or independently wealthy. In a cataclysmic scenario, they're the sort of people you want around you, not blindly obedient imbeciles.

The pay off for the resisters will be their continued survival and pleasure in knowing they were right as the vaxxed die off in huge numbers.



posted on Nov, 5 2022 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: Macdon

"Pleasure"?!!!!



posted on Nov, 5 2022 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: anonentity


these reasons can not account for the vastly increased levels of excess mortality being reported in previously young healthy people.


As you well know, because I've told you before, this trend actually began before covid (Link)

The TLDR answer is - Poverty.



posted on Nov, 5 2022 @ 10:28 AM
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. In a cataclysmic scenario, they're the sort of people you want around you, not blindly obedient imbeciles.


Isn't the premise here that the "cataclysm" is being artificially engineered, so your essentially saying that the people who are creating the cataclysm are sparing the very people who would be best equipped to resist it?


Most of the people I know who resisted mandates are skilled professionals and/or independently wealthy.


It's the exact opposite where I live right now. Anti-vaxxers are mostly rural hicks or inner city minorities living in poor neighborhoods.

Largely because these are the groups who trust the government the least.



posted on Nov, 5 2022 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: jidnum

originally posted by: fencesitter85
The depopulation agenda has never made any sense. Ever.

Population = profit.

Lower population = less profit.

It's beyond ridiculous to think the 1% would want to kill off all the people they can make money from e.g. through pharmaceutical addiction.

And as you note, why would they take out the compliant people, leaving all the supposed free thinkers and rebels?

It's one of the more ridiculous conspiracy theories peddled by the nut jobs.


It's not about profit, it's about maintaining power and control. The less people there is, the easier it is to maintain that control. Profit is completely irrelevant.


It still doesn't make any sense to kill off the people who give them power and control - or to do it in such a long-winded, indirect and inneficient method of vaccines instead of the billions of more effective methods like poisoning water/food supply, nuclear holocaust, bio-chem warfare, forced sterilization etc....



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