It doesn't make any sense to kill off the obedient

originally posted by: Macdon
Ivermectin worked for 3 friends, my parents and I as well as 2 others I know. That's a 100% efficacy rate.

Lol. I took nothing but ibuprofen and got over it in 3 days. Ibuprofen must be a miracle cure for covid as well.

a reply to: crayzeed

They are killing off the most people possible in the shortest possible time. Therefore, they need a method they know will work, without jeopardising their own health in the process. So they wouldn't engineer a super-deadly plague, they would guarantee their kills by a super-deadly vaccination, which can be controlled into the population by the use of heavy propaganda. All the sheeple who take the vaccine, in the elite's position from their perspective as the rulers, are to be got rid of, because they have no fire to fight against the elite. The elite want sharp, incisive people to remain, if any remain, so they can offer them a range of opportunities (such as acting as bounty hunters, hunting down enemies of the elitist neo-feudalism state, etc...) Those who comply will be grafted into the elitist's servant class, though they may not be trusted in the long run, despite their apparent loyalty. They will be seen as turncoats & thus find themselves reviled by both the underclass & the elitists. But as per the elitist plan, they will be indispensible as a weapon to keep the survivalists at bay.

a reply to: JAGStorm

i think your flaw is in giving them to much credit, this is the level of humanity that time and time again has misread the rest of humanity and taken themselves into some dark dead-end periods when they think of themselves with the power of gods..

the last time we saw this was with new liberal eugenics in both the late Victorian period and then again in the 1920s/30s..

in the 20s and 30s new liberalism was heading down the same route as the nazis who got their first.. we can see this is in the lockstep attempts to create similar laws like the sterilising the poor the UK failed to pass in 1931, 34 and 37 but nazi Germany implemented in 1933

we can see this lockstep with covid but we can also see where it ended up.. notably killing off both globalism and new liberalism for 3/4 of a century...

ironically the first international eugenics conference was held at imperial in London in 1912 the same imperial that gave us the covid lockdown models and more recently we hear a lethal made made man strain.

the bottom line is history shows it all ends badly for them because they've are not bright nor have they learnt the lessons Cnut tried to teach in the 11th century, that they are not gods nor can they control the planet...

a reply to: JAGStorm

I have to disagree.

It's primarily urban populations that are against the vax.

It's not ideologically driven.
I think the biggest set of people that are against the vax are healthcare workers.

In my opinion.

a reply to: nickyw

the bottom line is history shows it all ends badly for them because they've are not bright nor have they

Yes, these things happened, but the people who were behind these ideologies were open about what they wanted to do and why they wanted to do it. The held organized meetings and handed out pamphlets because they wanted to persuade other people to join up with them.

Today, the only people who are talking about these things are the people who claim to oppose them. We're not actually seeing anyone who says that this is what they want. We're not getting the liberal elite telling us that the dead weight of society needs culling.

Where people are talking about population control they're almost exclusively talking about birth control, not population reduction. People who currently have large families instead having smaller families. More along the lines of China's one child policy than some effort to reduce the population by killing adults.

a reply to: nickyw

History is repeatable cycles, and you see the mentality in certain posters here. Every so often, humanity gets enough hubris to think that they have "evolved" beyond the last massive failures. They start to think that this time will be different, that this time, they will have that perfect, flawless control because of new advances in science and technology. This time, they will be gods.

Of course, it's all massive hubris, but you can't tell them that. They're so massively rich and powerful that it all seems to go well ... until it doesn't, and they are powerful enough and our science advanced enough that each time, the lesson gets massively more painful to learn, but it won't stop us from trying.

This is the basic lesson of the Garden of Eden story.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JAGStorm

I have to disagree.

It's primarily urban populations that are against the vax.

It's not ideologically driven.
I think the biggest set of people that are against the vax are healthcare workers.

In my opinion.

In the US, it's more likely to be the urban population that is pro-vax, the anti vaxxers tend to be rural conservatives and inner city minorities. Mostly because these are the groups that have the least trust of the government. There's also a strong crossover with illegal immigrants and being anti-vax for more or less the same reasons.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JAGStorm

I have to disagree.

It's primarily urban populations that are against the vax.

It's not ideologically driven.
I think the biggest set of people that are against the vax are healthcare workers.

In my opinion.

In the US, it's more likely to be the urban population that is pro-vax, the anti vaxxers tend to be rural conservatives and inner city minorities. Mostly because these are the groups that have the least trust of the government. There's also a strong crossover with illegal immigrants and being anti-vax for more or less the same reasons.

So then the joke's on you.

The so-called educated people are the ones being removed. In order to rule people, they have to be ignorant (not necessarily stupid, just ignorant). I would submit that rural farmers these days are anything but ignorant. Modern farming takes a decent level of technical expertise and education, but there aren't enough of them to mount an effective resistance. It's white collar world that's being erased - the service economy workers.

You want feudalism? Here's your feudalism. Kill of the so-called smart ones with a vaccine designed to wipe them out, and they go to the grave laughing all the way, thinking they're so very smart. Meanwhile, you keep a class of land stewards smart enough to run your estates and produce your food and the serf underclasses who only possess enough education to work for the steward underclass.

Any technocrats you might need are already a part of your grand vision.

a reply to: ketsuko

You want feudalism? Here's your feudalism. Kill of the so-called smart ones with a vaccine designed to wipe them out, and they go to the grave laughing all the way, thinking they're so very smart. Meanwhile, you keep a class of land stewards smart enough to run your estates and produce your food and the serf underclasses who only possess enough education to work for the steward underclass.

I actually lived under a government that tried this.

Literally this. Except that they didn't kill the college educated suburbanites, they sent them to the countryside to be farmers.

It caused a famine. You were literally knee deep in dead. It was like something out of a post-apocalyptic horror movie.

You see, it turns out that farmers are really good at farming, but that they're not the best when it comes to transportation, logistics, processing and storage.

Food rotted before it got where it was needed, and even if it hadn't rotted it often wasn't in the right state to consume.

It's all well and good shipping 50 carriages of grain to a city, but people don't eat grain. They send it to one place to make it into flour, and then another to make it into bread. Which didn't happen because the people who ran the flour mills and the bakeries were either ploughing fields or they'd been shot for refusing to plough field. And the people who tried to tell the government this got shot too.

When the government did away the white collar middle classes it effectively killed the country. It took decades to simply get things back to where they had been originally.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

You literally DID NOT read and process what I said, did you?

I already said the ones they need are already part of things. What do you think the technocratic push for driverless, etc., is all about? They think they have it all figured out. I didn't say it would work, but they do think they don't need most of white collar world. Education is what makes people rebellious. Why do you think the intellectuals are almost always on the chopping block in every single tyranny? White collar world is exactly that - the class with just enough education and technical skill to be dangerous.

They keep the farmers who have that level, but there aren't enough of them to be successful at rebelling. They keep the lower class who didn't get the shots. The ones too ignorant to be bothered with higher ed although not always the unintelligent.

They are relying on automation and their own class of technocrat for the rest.

I don't think it will work nearly as well as they do, but that doesn't and won't stop them from thinking they have it all worked out.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

a quick rundown of the unvaccinated I interact with on at least monthly basis.

several members of the US military who "allegedly" bought fake vaccination certificates.

at least one Military medic who resigned rather than get it; might be 2 in this category.

the star troubleshooter of a global high-tech high energy industrial products group.

at least 3 NYT best-selling authors.

The lead DBA of top-5 FINTECH company.

A network security specialist with several patents in that field.

most of those have fairly competent in their own rights unvaccinated families, as well.

The ones I know that are vaccinated, and do not regret it, are with one exception, sheep; some are very bright sheep, but not "leaders" or exceptional in their fields.

oh, I'm one of those, BTW. and 2 of my 3 kids (unvaccinated) are kicking ass in their fields; the 3rd is just starting. Their Mom is....not a sheep. maybe a rabid llama?

a reply to: JAGStorm

Can't Build Back Better with dumb people. They don't build. And if they do, it falls apart...

Who said it has to make sense?
second line.a reply to: JAGStorm

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

The problem with your analogy is that the people who are getting vaxxed are more likely to be middle class and educated or blue collar and skilled.

What I've personally witnessed, is most that fall into 'blue collar' begrudgingly got the shots. And most people like myself that did not get the shots were also 'blue classish'. I say blue classish because I ave done/do both 'blue collar' and 'white collar' work. Many of those gladly chose to have control over their own bodies over income.
Most that got vaxxed did so purely because 'mandated', because they were scared of losing their jobs, homes, etc. not because they feared the coof-19.
They were shot but miserable about it.

Those I know who rushed to get the vaccines willingly were indeed white collarish as also some were 'blue collar' because hard working people can be liberal too amazingly, the were professionals and 'skilled' and the very liberal leaning types.

Class and careers and other superficial things aside, the pro-vaxx and anti-vaxx regardless of their vaxx status for me were quite clearly leaned politically certain ways. I work for money, to live, not for political or societal labels. My career choice does not define my 'leanings', as it does not for many.
It was clear who were the cows and who were the bulls. For me at least.

Obvious as to what types of people felt like they were getting a carrot and which type that felt like they were getting the stick.

Nothing wrong with the analogy when you can see beyond the superficial. Beyond the illusions like 'class' we make for ourselves.

Anyway this is my own personal observations and opinions. Not every one perceives the world as I do so take it all as you wish.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: joemoe
If the Georgia Guidestones gives any clue, then "C" they just want to reduce the population of the world and they don't care how or who.

Why would they make their plans public for everyone to see? Why not just keep it on the down low?

From what I heard it is for Karma, they have to tell us what is being done.

originally posted by: xizd1
Who said it has to make sense?
second line.a reply to: JAGStorm

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JAGStorm

I have to disagree.

It's primarily urban populations that are against the vax.

It's not ideologically driven.
I think the biggest set of people that are against the vax are healthcare workers.

In my opinion.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Macdon
Ivermectin worked for 3 friends, my parents and I as well as 2 others I know. That's a 100% efficacy rate.

Lol. I took nothing but ibuprofen and got over it in 3 days. Ibuprofen must be a miracle cure for covid as well.

originally posted by: Ukraineform

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: joemoe
If the Georgia Guidestones gives any clue, then "C" they just want to reduce the population of the world and they don't care how or who.

Why would they make their plans public for everyone to see? Why not just keep it on the down low?

From what I heard it is for Karma, they have to tell us what is being done.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: ketsuko

You want feudalism? Here's your feudalism. Kill of the so-called smart ones with a vaccine designed to wipe them out, and they go to the grave laughing all the way, thinking they're so very smart. Meanwhile, you keep a class of land stewards smart enough to run your estates and produce your food and the serf underclasses who only possess enough education to work for the steward underclass.

I actually lived under a government that tried this.

Literally this. Except that they didn't kill the college educated suburbanites, they sent them to the countryside to be farmers.

It caused a famine. You were literally knee deep in dead. It was like something out of a post-apocalyptic horror movie.

You see, it turns out that farmers are really good at farming, but that they're not the best when it comes to transportation, logistics, processing and storage.

Food rotted before it got where it was needed, and even if it hadn't rotted it often wasn't in the right state to consume.

It's all well and good shipping 50 carriages of grain to a city, but people don't eat grain. They send it to one place to make it into flour, and then another to make it into bread. Which didn't happen because the people who ran the flour mills and the bakeries were either ploughing fields or they'd been shot for refusing to plough field. And the people who tried to tell the government this got shot too.

When the government did away the white collar middle classes it effectively killed the country. It took decades to simply get things back to where they had been originally.

I love your post.

Just had to tell you