No such thing as 'fully vaccinated'!!!

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: nonspecific

Tell that to those working in health and social care who lost their jobs.

UK Vaccination policy

The Government took steps in 2021 to make vaccination against Covid-19 a pre-requisite for working in health and social care in England, with limited exemptions.

4000 care workers lose jobs in a week

Second it!
But have just commented on it above.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Yes if you change the terminology and definition anything can be justified.

Yes, it is called semantics.

So, does the use of one term over the other change what is happening?

Yes it does.
Fully vaccinated or vaccinated doesn't imply you will get vaccinated again and again every 3-4 months by any stretch of your imagination.

I find it fascinating that terms and definitions are now expanding to fit the dogma.

It reminds of those who claim there is no gender. We are a genderless society and now we have become a society that can never be fully vaccinated...

The answer is no, that is why I called it a lame semantic argument 4 pages back.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The plans are being revoked but it didn't stop people being forced from their employment or threatened with losing their job.

Disgusting behaviour by our government. Anyone who defends it needs to have a long hard look in the mirror. Especially when you consider these "vaccines" don't prevent transmission.

40,000 workers could sue UK Government

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Fully vaccinated or vaccinated doesn't imply you will get vaccinated again and again every 3-4 months by any stretch of your imagination.

Obviously not your imagination but the fact that even the studies done to get EUAs didn't show 100% efficacy and further studies showed waning of protection after a few months, that should have been, and it is what some of us, took it to mean.

I don't get what all your hand wrenching and pearl clutching is about.

So no mandatory vaccines for COVID 19 then?

You need to say no as your answer now.



a reply to: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The plans are being revoked but it didn't stop people being forced from their employment or threatened with losing their job.

Disgusting behaviour by our government. Anyone who defends it needs to have a long hard look in the mirror. Especially when you consider these "vaccines" don't prevent transmission.

40,000 workers could sue UK Government

Yew I am aware to what happened in the UK.
Still many healthcare workers lost their jobs, their careers, their livehoods, and were driven to despair and poverty.

But others were pressured, coerced, intimidated or bullied to get the shots. No jab no job and other ludicrous slogans.

Now the campaign is focusing on how to involve as many as possible as they admit their vaccines cannot be protective for long and nobody can be fully vaccinated.

Imagine you get vaccinated every 3-4 months?!
Will you consider this product to be a vaccine?

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Fully vaccinated or vaccinated doesn't imply you will get vaccinated again and again every 3-4 months by any stretch of your imagination.

Obviously not your imagination but the fact that even the studies done to get EUAs didn't show 100% efficacy and further studies showed waning of protection after a few months, that should have been, and it is what some of us, took it to mean.

I don't get what all your hand wrenching and pearl clutching is about.

Look at the at the language that is keep changing and the contradictions to what was said in the opening page by the expert.

www.mayoclinic.org...

You’re considered fully vaccinated two weeks after you get a second dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, two weeks after you get a second dose of the Novavax COVID-19 vaccine, or two weeks after you get a single dose of the Janssen/Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine. You are considered up to date with your vaccines if you have gotten all recommended COVID-19 vaccines, including booster doses, when you become eligible

So there is a term after all which we all understand what fully vaccinated means. Two doses of the mRNA vaccines. Or one dose of the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.

The expert says there is no such thing as fully vaccinated. So she contradicts what is already acceptable from the mainstream.

It looks like boosters are a way to sell many more of these products. Especially when you introduce multiple boosters every 3-4 months.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
So there is a term after all which we all understand what fully vaccinated means. Two doses of the mRNA vaccines. Or one dose of the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.

And nowhere in that group of words does it say fully protected.

The expert says there is no such thing as fully vaccinated. So she contradicts what is already acceptable from the mainstream.

She says that because it is not used that way in her field.

It isn't that hard to see that she is coming from that angle.

It looks like boosters are a way to sell many more of these products. Especially when you introduce multiple boosters every 3-4 months.

Absolutely.

Do you know how many confirmed flu deaths there are every year in the US?

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
So there is a term after all which we all understand what fully vaccinated means. Two doses of the mRNA vaccines. Or one dose of the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.

And nowhere in that group of words does it say fully protected.

The expert says there is no such thing as fully vaccinated. So she contradicts what is already acceptable from the mainstream.

She says that because it is not used that way in her field.

It isn't that hard to see that she is coming from that angle.

It looks like boosters are a way to sell many more of these products. Especially when you introduce multiple boosters every 3-4 months.

Absolutely.

Do you know how many confirmed flu deaths there are every year in the US?

.
Are you expending the argument a little?!
Or maybe a lot...
We have never talked about full protection which in theory should coincide with full vaccinations.

She uses this language to push a narrative that nobody can be fully vaccinated so to create a need for more and vaccinations.

Her view that nobody can be considered fully vaccinated is contradicted by the first line in the text. One of these two is wrong. Which one is it? Her? Or mayoclinic?

Selling multiple boosters seems to have no grounds other than financial.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Are you expending the argument a little?!
Or maybe a lot...
We have never talked about full protection which in theory should coincide with full vaccinations.

No, since it was obvious that you think they should coincide, which is why I said from the start:

A pretty lame semantic argument since the vaccines never gave full protection anyway.

She uses this language to push a narrative that nobody can be fully vaccinated so to create a need for more and vaccinations.

She doesn't need to do that since the poor performance of the jabs already does that, regardless of the term they use for someone who has had all the jabs available.

Selling multiple boosters seems to have no grounds other than financial.

That is why I said "Absolutely"

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Are you expending the argument a little?!
Or maybe a lot...
We have never talked about full protection which in theory should coincide with full vaccinations.

No, since it was obvious that you think they should coincide, which is why I said from the start:

A pretty lame semantic argument since the vaccines never gave full protection anyway.

She uses this language to push a narrative that nobody can be fully vaccinated so to create a need for more and vaccinations.

She doesn't need to do that since the poor performance of the jabs already does that, regardless of the term they use for someone who has had all the jabs available.

Selling multiple boosters seems to have no grounds other than financial.

That is why I said "Absolutely"

Yes the vaccines seem to have a poor performance in comparison to what had been claimed. Getting additional boosters doesn't improve the performance of the vaccine and the repeated vaccinations may have the opposite effect. It improves though the finances of the pharmaceutical companies!

The fact is that she uses terminology that contradicts what is known about fully vaccinated individuals. She claims we can't use this term but mayoclinic discusses in the first line what we all know what fully vaccinated means.
So the motive is profit.

a reply to: Asmodeus3
And, like I said earlier, at the end of the day it is just her opinion.

So she is not on the same page as the mayo clinic, who cares?

originally posted by: nonspecific
So no mandatory vaccines for COVID 19 then?

There was.....but not presently......but who knows what will be next?

If mandatory injections come again....are you going to get boosted?
Or will you move? Where will you move to and can you afford to move?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

It won't happen here in the UK.

I can't see it happening in the US either but if you want to imagine it will to make the conspiracy more interesting and exiting then that's entirely up to you.

a reply to: nonspecific

Just don't plan on getting a medical Education

Universi ties still carry outdated Covid vaccine mandates for healthcare courses

At least 10 universities are imposing the mandate on their web pages where applicants can find more information about the courses, an investigation by Nigel Farage on GB News found.

The website of Liverpool John Moores University even tells prospective students that it is “illegal to work in an NHS setting” without confirmation of Covid vaccination status.

The Universities and Colleges Admissions Service (Ucas) also states on its website that further education candidates must have the Covid jab as part of the entry requirements.

Prospective students applying via Ucas are greeted with the message: “You should be aware that from 1 April 2022, all NHS and Social Care personnel (including students) will be required to have completed an approved course of vaccinations against Covid-19 before they can be deployed in roles that involve face-to-face contact with patients/service users.

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Itisnowagain

It won't happen here in the UK.

I can't see it happening in the US either but if you want to imagine it will to make the conspiracy more interesting and exiting then that's entirely up to you.

Strawman

Mandates are real. No conspiracy.
They were enforced at different times for specific types of workers and students.

But again nobody can be fully vaccinated so you don't know what is going to happen in the future. However most sane people will reject them outright.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

So what basis in law do you expect the forced vaccination of the entirety of the population of the UK to be based upon?

What would be the reason for it, how would they apply it in law and how would they handle the backlash and protest.

How would they enforce it.

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Asmodeus3

So what basis in law do you expect the forced vaccination of the entirety of the population of the UK to be based upon?

What would be the reason for it, how would they apply it in law and how would they handle the backlash and protest.

How would they enforce it.

No the topic of the discussion.
But I suppose on the similar grounds when mandates went ahead for healthcare workers in the UK. Unlikely to happen but nobody knows what the future will be given the attempts to convince people they can never be fully vaccinated.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

It was you that bought up mandatory vaccination not me.

And there is nothing that would suggest that the UK would implement any form of compulsory vaccinations now or in the future.

So everytime you try to bring it into a discussion it's just sensationalism and doom porn based on nothing.

You should probably stop doing that.

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Itisnowagain

It won't happen here in the UK.

I can't see it happening in the US either but if you want to imagine it will to make the conspiracy more interesting and exiting then that's entirely up to you.

That did not answer the questions I asked:

If mandatory injections come again....are you going to get boosted?
Or will you move? Where will you move to and can you afford to move?

You previously said that you would move if you lived in a place that mandated it!