No such thing as 'fully vaccinated'!!!

a reply to: Asmodeus3
It is more than one.

It doesn't matter what they end up calling people getting yearly jabs if/when they get them and almost nobody here has really given any importance to what this one person said in that article. You can't refute that.

The two sentences give two situations that are mutually exclusive and the second one contradicts whatever drove you to make this somewhat alarmist thread.

I guess we are past the point where this thread becomes a ping-pong match of "no, you" so I will see myself out.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Asmodeus3
It is more than one.

It doesn't matter what they end up calling people getting yearly jabs if/when they get them and almost nobody here has really given any importance to what this one person said in that article. You can't refute that.

The two sentences give two situations that are mutually exclusive and the second one contradicts whatever drove you to make this somewhat alarmist thread.

I guess we are past the point where this thread becomes a ping-pong match of "no, you" so I will see myself out.

No. For once more the contradictions exist only in your perception and nowhere else with respect to the sentences written by me.

You are right though about the expert contradicting herself as we all know what the term 'fully vaccinated' means.

In terms of who cares about definitions and terms used, you will find out that many of us do. Especially when they are changed completely or altered to serve a purpose. See the change in the definition of the vaccine.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
In terms of who cares about definitions and terms used, you will find out that many of us do. Especially when they are changed completely or altered to serve a purpose. See the change in the definition of the vaccine.

Before I go, do you not see how you caring doesn't change what happens?

I never said it doesn't "matter" to some people, I said it doesn't "matter" if it "matters" to some people or not.

I get the feeling you won't see the irony in that sentence.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
In terms of who cares about definitions and terms used, you will find out that many of us do. Especially when they are changed completely or altered to serve a purpose. See the change in the definition of the vaccine.

Before I go, do you not see how you caring doesn't change what happens?

I never said it doesn't "matter" to some people, I said it doesn't "matter" if it "matters" to some people or not.

I get the feeling you won't see the irony in that sentence.

Again. No.

And...strawman!

a reply to: Asmodeus3

You don't see the irony?

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
It's like the war on terror. It was never designed to be won, only sustained. Just like the pandemic.

You can certainly sustain the fear and uncertainty when you argue through official lines and with the help of the media that there can never be someone who is 'fully vaccinated' against Covid-19.

If you want to booster profits it looks like a good tactic.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

They look at us like computers. Fortunately I have turned off the ability to update my software so I'm like 10-15 updates behind and I'm still running smooth.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

You can certainly sustain the fear and uncertainty when you argue through official lines and with the help of the media that there can never be someone who is 'fully vaccinated' against Covid-19.

If you want to booster profits it looks like a good tactic.

I think we all just need to roll everything back to the days of the annual flu shots level of thinking. COVID is here to stay as are any other flu virus. Our annual flu shot is actually a cocktail of different viruses that they guess will be the big ones any given year, and it is a hit or miss judgment call too. COVID could just end up being in the cocktail mix like we been doing for 50 years now. In any case old and high risk would benefit while most everyone else can do what they want. We need to remember even with the annual booster we still lost 50 to 60k every year to the flu.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Covid is far different from flu. Unlike flu, covid recombines readily. Covid is far more variable than flu. What might work okay for flu won't work for covid unless you want to have 100 valent shots which is ridiculous.

originally posted by: taszman
a reply to: Xtrozero

Covid is far different from flu. Unlike flu, covid recombines readily. Covid is far more variable than flu. What might work okay for flu won't work for covid unless you want to have 100 valent shots which is ridiculous.

I think natural immunity is the best bet for most people. Those with compromised immune systems and the elderly need to rely on these products unfortunately but they have no obligation to take them. The rest of us have no obligation to follow the 'science' or to move at the speed of 'science'

a reply to: Xtrozero

There's a new flu jab been developed that uses mrna technology to give 4 common sections of many of the flu variants that could mean the vaccine could be far more effective and take out some of the guess work.

a reply to: nonspecific

mRNA is much more dangerous than inactivated

originally posted by: taszman

Covid is far different from flu. Unlike flu, covid recombines readily. Covid is far more variable than flu. What might work okay for flu won't work for covid unless you want to have 100 valent shots which is ridiculous.

I don't necessarily agree with you. I agree COVID does produce variants, but the most important part to think about is there is typically a dominate stain at anyone point in an area. We saw that with Delta and Omicron where both were the dominate variants with circulating lineages that the vaccine for a variant is still effective against the lineage too. We started with Alpha in America and EU, and Beta mostly in Africa. Then along came Delta that pretty much replaced everything out there as did Omicron wiping out Delta, so I think it would be pretty straight forward in what COVID booster is added to a yearly flu shot.

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Xtrozero

There's a new flu jab been developed that uses mrna technology to give 4 common sections of many of the flu variants that could mean the vaccine could be far more effective and take out some of the guess work.

mRNA also allows for extremely quick development. Like hours in quickness compared to weeks or months the old way.

originally posted by: taszman

mRNA is much more dangerous than inactivated

I don't understand what you are saying here.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

I think natural immunity is the best bet for most people. Those with compromised immune systems and the elderly need to rely on these products unfortunately but they have no obligation to take them. The rest of us have no obligation to follow the 'science' or to move at the speed of 'science'

This is why I suggest we all calm down some and go back to the old way without the doom porn on one side and the totalitarian aggression on the other. Well unless people on both sides like to regurgitate the same old BS over and over fretting their lives away. I for one have better things to do...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Covid doesn't typically have a dominant strain. While it is true the covid-19 did have dominant strain for a year or two, that's because it is fairly new. After some years it becomes endemic and there is no dominant strain.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

I think natural immunity is the best bet for most people. Those with compromised immune systems and the elderly need to rely on these products unfortunately but they have no obligation to take them. The rest of us have no obligation to follow the 'science' or to move at the speed of 'science'

This is why I suggest we all calm down some and go back to the old way without the doom porn on one side and the totalitarian aggression on the other. Well unless people on both sides like to regurgitate the same old BS over and over fretting their lives away. I for one have better things to do...

The term doom porn is another made up phrase to reduce criticism and obstruct the objective of a conversation. I don't think that the totalitarian state we have lived in the last 2-3 years can be compared with the criticisms and concerns people have over this matter.

We can't go back to his it was until there is justice, prosecutions, and convictions, along with the dismantling of the pharmaceutical companies and those who are supporting them.

Nuremberg 2.0 I propose. Far from being doom porn (whether this means). Already discussed elsewhere.

originally posted by: taszman

Covid doesn't typically have a dominant strain. While it is true the covid-19 did have dominant strain for a year or two, that's because it is fairly new. After some years it becomes endemic and there is no dominant strain.

In the US Omicron is literally 100% the variant still, so no clue to what you are suggesting. Now there is a linage of Omicron seen below, but the booster will work on lineage too. Even with the linage we see only 3 cover 80%+, but once a new variant comes along that is when the efficiency of the booster is reduced.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Doom porn is a phrase used to describe the kind of threads or "news articles" that pander to people's sense of sensationalism without any real basis.

So I would say that you comparing any trials that may come about due to actions and decisions in the covid pandemic to the Nuremburg trials would indeed qualify as "doom porn"

Using the Nuremburg trials to try and heighten the seriousness and excitement of something is a bit sill really when you think about it.