Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Everything Russia has done has been reactionary. This conflict has been in the pipeline for decades courtesy of Uncle Sam.
Go read some recent history. No scratch that, don't waste your time you already know anyway.

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Everything Russia has done has been reactionary. This conflict has been in the pipeline for decades courtesy of Uncle Sam.
Go read some recent history. No scratch that, don't waste your time you already know anyway.

Russia invading Ukraine was not reactionary.

Unless it's a reaction to Ukraine not doing everything Putin wants.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Everything Russia has done has been reactionary. This conflict has been in the pipeline for decades courtesy of Uncle Sam.
Go read some recent history. No scratch that, don't waste your time you already know anyway.

Russia invading Ukraine was not reactionary.

Unless it's a reaction to Ukraine not doing everything Putin wants.

Are you replying to me by proxy? lol

a reply to: midicon

You have your opinion, I have mine.

Both are equally valid.

originally posted by: midicon

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Everything Russia has done has been reactionary. This conflict has been in the pipeline for decades courtesy of Uncle Sam.
Go read some recent history. No scratch that, don't waste your time you already know anyway.

Russia invading Ukraine was not reactionary.

Unless it's a reaction to Ukraine not doing everything Putin wants.

Are you replying to me by proxy? lol

No by pressing the little reply icon.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: midicon

You have your opinion, I have mine.

Both are equally valid.

Thanks for that and I do agree with you.

Lol some here need to broaden their spectrum on the situation.

* Russian President Vladimir Putin stated on October 14 that there is currently no additional need for further massive strikes against Ukraine.

There’s some political figures over there, who see Putin as appearing weak here on this one and should keep the pressure on.

Then again some seeing it smart, as one of the strategic initiatives from the recent Russian barrage included reducing Ukraine’s electricity generation capacity to cut off the EU countries they were supplying. As well as an response to Ukraine bombing the bridge. And no further need.

It’s not just one man here.

Not easy as “it’s Putin! Putin! Putin!”

There’s political figures there that don’t have the same patience or strategical restraint as Putin.

a reply to: Imhere

Well, he is a de facto Dictator who is literally calling the shots?

And he has been thoroughly humiliated.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imhere

Well, he is a de facto Dictator who is literally calling the shots?

And he has been thoroughly humiliated.

Short sighted view.

Broaden your spectrum more.

So you think it’s just Putin. You think there aren’t other figures there?

You think others are just going to just sit back and let the situation continue going rabid?

With Ukraine not coming to the table, negotiating security options and agree to stop its Nationalists harassing and tormenting the massive ethnic Russian population in the East and south?

Past years and nearing a decade now?

Yeah let Putin leave the situation now and leave the massive ethnic Russian population there exposed.

Go on Ukrainian Reddit and see there’s an alarming amount of people pushing for any ethnic Russians there being kicked out.

In fact, you have a Pro Zelensky supporter here saying he’s very “genocidal against Russians and Chinese”..


Lol

a reply to: Imhere

Do we?

Where?

a reply to: Imhere

Has Ukraine come to the table, and agree to stop its Nationalists harassing and tormenting the massive ethnic Russian population in the East and south?

Why should they? It's an internal matter between ukranian citizens. Why is putin interfeting in a civil war? Who died and made him boss?

This is funny...

People have started gathering in front of the Russian Embassy in Warsaw to vote in today’s referendum. If a majority of voters support it, the crowd will annex the Russian Embassy and its grounds tonight. Very high voting frequency reported.

twitter.com...

originally posted by: Imhere

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Imhere

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Imhere

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Imhere
If Russia actually has ran “out of missiles” as some in here are suggesting,

Then Biden needs to stop sending multi Billion packages and military aid over there.

Zelensky needs to drop the beggars bowl then.

Has Russia left Ukraine yet?

Has Ukraine come to the table, and agree to stop it’s Nationalists harassing and tormenting the massive ethnic Russian population in the East and south?

Had russia stopped funding and supporting the internal conflict that in no way justified the Russian invasion to begin with?

What did the other side do past years, to grant security for the massive ethnic Russian population there?

It’s not just Russia.

Go check out Ukrainian Reddit and see the wide consensus wanting/pushing any ethnic Russian kicked out of the East and South.

This didn’t just happen this year either.

Explain to me again what it’s got to do with Russia?

It’s on their border? And the massive ethnic Russian population there asked for aid and help?

What does it have to do with Biden sending billions over there then, much less from abroad.

Its a civil war and something the UN should had worked on then. And in reality the former leader of ukraine started that mess when he fled on purpose to destabilize and re claim his power. The pro russians,should be bought out and deported to russia since they like it so much. Ukrains should pull imminent domain and pay them for the land,then get them out after.

a reply to: yuppa

An invasion of a country by another country is not a Civil War.

It's a war.

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
This is funny...

People have started gathering in front of the Russian Embassy in Warsaw to vote in today’s referendum. If a majority of voters support it, the crowd will annex the Russian Embassy and its grounds tonight. Very high voting frequency reported.

twitter.com...

Oh, I gotta follow this one.

That's funny.

originally posted by: Imhere
Lol some here need to broaden their spectrum on the situation.

* Russian President Vladimir Putin stated on October 14 that there is currently no additional need for further massive strikes against Ukraine.

There’s some political figures over there, who see Putin as appearing weak here on this one and should keep the pressure on.

You make it sound like Putin had a choice. This graphic claims to show how much of Russia's missile inventory has been used would tend to suggest he couldn't continue massive missile barrages for too much longer, even if he wanted to, especially with Iskander missiles:


www.youtube.com...
That graphic appears at about 5:07, in that video, which has also been shown on CNN. He can't deplete the inventory to zero, he has to keep some reserves for things other than the Ukraine war, so the inventory is getting very low from that perspective.

There's also the issue that Russia is having difficulty importing electronics chips to make more precision guided missiles, so replenishing the depleted inventory may not be so easy...maybe that's why Russia is buying drones from Iran.

It’s not just one man here.

Not easy as “it’s Putin! Putin! Putin!”

My understanding is that some years ago, Putin consulted with various representatives in his decision making processes, but in recent years he has isolated himself from many of those sources and surrounded himself with "yes" men who don't necessarily tell him the truth but rather what they think he wants to hear. So he didn't hear or at least didn't listen to the voices that told him Russia wasn't prepared for the invasion, and we can see how many generals he keeps firing and replacing. So at the beginning of the invasion of Feb 24 it was pretty much Putin, Putin, Putin as far as I can tell. Maybe if he had kept his previous method of allowing and considering differing opinions, he wouldn't have made the bad decision to invade Ukraine, but he made that bad decision to invade, and that's on Putin.

More recently with the announcement of "partial mobilization", I would agree Putin might feel like he is losing his once all-powerful control, as that triggered some pressures on him that have vastly increased in intensity. But still this is all a consequence of his bad decision to invade Ukraine initially and that's all on Putin because it was his decision. I think it was a resource grab because that eastern part of Ukraine has some natural resources he wanted Russia to have (and still does). Now that Putin's war looks like a failure, he's fighting for his survival, so of course there are other pressures on him now, but I doubt that was the case on Feb 24 when he ordered the invasion.

originally posted by: Imhere
Lol some here need to broaden their spectrum on the situation.

* Russian President Vladimir Putin stated on October 14 that there is currently no additional need for further massive strikes against Ukraine.

There’s some political figures over there, who see Putin as appearing weak here on this one and should keep the pressure on.

Then again some seeing it smart, as one of the strategic initiatives from the recent Russian barrage included reducing Ukraine’s electricity generation capacity to cut off the EU countries they were supplying. As well as an response to Ukraine bombing the bridge. And no further need.

It’s not just one man here.

Not easy as “it’s Putin! Putin! Putin!”

There’s political figures there that don’t have the same patience or strategical restraint as Putin.

Putin is limited by what he can do with such missile strikes. If he was to continue on a regular basis with such strikes as on the 10 October it would be eating into the strategic reserve of his cruise missile stocks.

a reply to: FlyingFox

Ukraine is doing so well, they deployed 1000 AQ/Daesh fighters at $1000 a month

Do you honestly believe the most passionate, extremist Islamic terrorists are prepared to fight for what they perceive to be a Jewish regime?

a reply to: Imhere

Has Ukraine come to the table,......

Why would Ukraine seek talks when they are trying to resist an invader in their country?
Do you think they should just cave in and agree to what is in essence a demand for their surrender?

.... and agree to stop its Nationalists harassing and tormenting the massive ethnic Russian population in the East and south?

Surely you aren't that ignorant of events prior to the invasion?

You do know that Kremlin funded Russian Militia's had been agitating, provoking and terrorising throughout Luhansk and Donetsk well before any Ukrainian response?

As for 'massive ethnic Russian population' = 58% Ukrainian, 38% Russian....the vast majority of Russians are descended from people forcibly relocated during Stalin's industrialisation programmes of the 50's.....Ukrainians have lived there for generations.

a reply to: Imhere

Go check out Ukrainian Reddit and see the wide consensus wanting/pushing any ethnic Russian kicked out of the East and South.....

Wouldn't you if someone had just invaded your country and were responsible for enormous amounts of death and destruction in your homeland?

And how many Ukrainians have been displaced by this needless and senseless war?