Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

All-out nuclear war is only several months away, maybe only weeks. The wheels are in motion, the pieces are in place and nothing can stop it. Don't believe me? then you haven't been paying attention.


please tell your children and grandchildren you love them.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Arbitrageur

The allies are also loaning $50bn of Russia's frozen assets to Ukraine for their fight against the invader , pretty sure that's not going to go down well.

In a show of unity aimed at President Putin, G7 leaders meeting in Italy this week finally agreed to a deal to use profits from frozen Russian assets to provide around $50bn (£40bn) worth of support to Ukraine.
news.sky.com...

Finally! That's good news. I don't know why that decision took so long, it seems like a no-brainer.

There was some concern about the impact on financial markets for various uses of the frozen assets, but I'm not sure why there would be that much concern, since countries who don't invade their soverign neighbors and annex their territories in an obvious land grab shouldn't have anything to worry about. Russia and China seem to be the two main players who might do such things, though there may be other, smaller countries, which wouldn't be that significant in the financial markets due to their small economies.

If only Ukraine could use that money to buy artillery shells, but it seems Russia, Iran, and N. Korea have the west beat in capacity to produce artillery shells, unfortunately giving Russia an advantage despite the influx of funds to Ukraine.

originally posted by: ohahhupthera
All-out nuclear war is only several months away, maybe only weeks. The wheels are in motion, the pieces are in place and nothing can stop it. Don't believe me? then you haven't been paying attention.

Good job falling for Putin's propaganda. Putin wanted the west to think nuclear holocaust was imminent, so they would back off, and allow Russia to take over Ukraine, but increasingly the west has crossed so many "red lines" Putin has set already, that he's like the boy who cried "Wolf". Nobody in the West believes his "red lines" any more after crossing so many with nothing happening. Perhaps not nobody, but the pendulum is swinging toward not believing Putins nuclear threats.

If the US gave Ukraine a missile that could hit Moscow and told them it was ok to use it on Moscow, that might elicit a nuclear response from Putin, but that's not going to happen. Moscow is about 700 km away from Ukraine, and the west isn't giving Ukraine missiles with that kind of range.

I'm probably watching the situation more closely that you are, and no I don't believe you. I heard plenty of nucelar sabre-rattling prior to June 7, but I don't see anything that will make it more than that. Putin even toned down the nuclear sabre-rattling significantly on June 7th 2024, in what ISW called a "rhetorical reversal":

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 7, 2024

Putin indirectly indicated that Ukrainian strikes on Russian territory with Western-provided weapons do not cross a supposed Russian "red line" that would result in Russian nuclear escalation. Putin stated that Russia's nuclear doctrine calls for Russia to only use nuclear weapons in the event of "exceptional cases" of threats to Russia's sovereignty and territorial integrity.[21] Putin stated that he does not think such an "exceptional" case has arisen so "there is no such need" for Russia to use nuclear weapons. Ukrainian forces have struck military targets in Belgorod Oblast with US-provided HIMARS systems using GMLRS since early June 2024.[22] Putin’s June 7 statement is a significant rhetorical reversal given that Putin and other Kremlin officials have previously threatened Russian nuclear weapon use should Western states allow Ukraine to strike into Russian territory with Western-provided weapons.[23] Western and Ukrainian policies and actions have crossed Russia's supposed "red lines" several times throughout the war without drawing a significant Russian reaction, indicating that many of Russia's "red lines" are most likely information operations designed to push the West to self-deter.[

please tell your children and grandchildren you love them.

That's a good idea, even though nuclear war does not seem imminent.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Canadian prepper keeps his eye on the ball, and any logical observation would say that we are stumbling toward some sort of Nuclear confrontation , but in a planned organised way. Judging by what Putin has said the red lines have all been passed.We must be up the DEFCON ladder, but since it remains classified I guess we will never know. But the thought of a conventional war which is bad enough must be a receeding dream.
But on the plus side you cant let too many nukes go off before the debris and particulates make targeting and communications immposible. If Degal was right in the population estimates, it looks like getting to the numbers quoted will not be achieved by vaccinations alone. Either way the average guy has no say you can only remove yourself from the most likely target areas.

Where's Cavv?

Off on his jollies?

a reply to: annonentity

Canadian Prepper has one of the worse track records as far as his predictions. He also regularly posts blatantly false information.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Agreed but playing to peoples fears gets clicks and youtube is a business , Canadian Prepper's net worth is estimated to be between$ 168K - $ 1.01M earned from youtube advertising.
us.youtubers.me...

We're all Doomed !

see: www.theburningplatform.com...


ukraine is indeed a factor and Z-linskyy is 'the MABUS' of note via Nostradamus

who is going Atomic ?

see: www.gospanews.net...

a reply to: Arbitrageur

While it's true Russia are buying a lot of shells from DPRK they're discovering that if you buy your ordinance from AliExpress you're probably no going to get what you were expecting.

I've seen telegram reports of Russian soldiers complaining about the NK shells being useless and claims they have injured Russian soldiers.

Determined to find out the reason of poor performance, a russian military-themed Telegram channel shared a photo post detailing the "research" on North Korean propellant charges for 152-mm projectiles marked NDT-3, although this marking actually refers to the contents (nitroglycerin powder with dinitrotoluene), and the actual name of the shell is unknown. The post was noticed by Georgian blogger TheDeadDistrict.

The investigation of five randomly selected charges with the same marking found that they all had different powders, and the powder bundles had different weights. Some charges lacked a de-copper: a lead wire meant to reduce copper buildup inside the barrel due to the repeated use of shells with a copper driving band. Additionally, some of the shells had traces indicating hermetic lids were opened.

And all of that was observed in just five random shells. That is, in such a small sample, which obviously indicates a systematic shortage of ammunition in general. In practice, all these issues lead to a whole avalanche of consequences.

The inconsistent (or "dispersed") artillery shell trajectory distance means a decrease in the accuracy of fire, resulting in spending more ammunition to accomplish a typical task. A larger expenditure means a longer execution time, and staying on the same spot for long exposes the artillery squad to backfire in the Ukrainian conditions of intense counter-battery warfare.
en.defence-ua.com...

a reply to: gortex

Wow.

What a world we live in where you can make that much money on being consistently wrong.

a reply to: gortex

Wouldn't that quickly knacker their gun barrels?

30 Russian troops have surrendered following a failed raid on the town of Vovchansk in the Kharkiv region , the Russians were targeting a concrete factory in the city centre as part of Putin's assault on the region , as many as 400 Russian troops are said to be cut off after being surrounded by Ukrainian troops.

A lot of chatter about Krasnogorovka falling recently, also seen on “ISW” map updates.

Once that falls, it’ll collapse the front by Donetsk.

We will probably see the advancement/collapse on “ISW” in the coming weeks. As Russians forces are now in the center.

a reply to: Imhere

Come on guys all join in, I'm sure you all know the words.....

"We've heard it all before, we've heard it all before....."

a reply to: Imhere

Chatter, chatter, rabbit rabbit. No source.

Well done for posting without going on about Bandera, mind.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imhere

Chatter, chatter, rabbit rabbit. No source.

Well done for posting without going on about Bandera, mind.

lol nice try

I mentioned the current advancement on the “ISW” map.

a reply to: Imhere

Without a link?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imhere

Without a link?

You don’t know how to google “ISW” ? And look at the current interactive map?

It’s pretty self explanatory.

It’s the same site that Cavv has been posting daily on here. And that others mentioned on this page.

This interactive map complements the static control-of-terrain maps that ISW daily produces with high-fidelity and, where possible, street level assessments of the war in Ukraine.

It’s late on updates at times. Such as with the Fall of Bakhmut. And recently during the Fall of Avdiivka. and it obviously leans biased.

Although not surprisingly, since It’s founder and president is Kimberly Kagan.

Her husband’s (Fredrick Kagan) brother is Robert Kagan.

Who’s married to Victoria Nuland.

Who was an outspoken and well known influencer/instigator during the infamous 2014 Maidan coup.

Also others on the ISW’s board is Bill Kristol. Which during the 1990s, him and Robert Kagan founded the Project for a New American Century.

Here’s the wiki link on “Institute for the Study of War”

en.m.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Imhere

It’s the same site that Cavv has been posting daily on here.

The same site he quotes with links as is customary and sort of expected.
But of course you know that.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Imhere

It’s the same site that Cavv has been posting daily on here.

The same site he quotes with links as is customary and sort of expected.
But of course you know that.

Petty.

I referenced the current map on “ISW”

It’s pretty self explanatory to anyone that knows how to use a mouse and keyboard.

It’s the current map on the “ISW” site. And it’s not rocket science or obscure to find lol

Or maybe it is for some.

At any event, regular posters that reply in this thread know exactly what that site and map is.

So cut the bs.