Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Arbitrageur

Putin is just gona sit it out and wait for trump to get back in.. The US negated Russia from opening a criminal investigation into the biolabs in Ukraine.. Trump and Putin want to prosecute the same people. That have the evidence.. Just a waiting game now.,

Russians are inundated with Russian propaganda and disinformation, but I had hoped ATSers wouldn't be falling for it, though it sounds like you are falling for it. I guess you're not the only one.

How the right embraced Russian disinformation about ‘U.S. bioweapons labs’ in Ukraine

Donald Trump Jr. gleefully tweeted a clip of Nuland, saying: “Well that went from conspiracy theory to Senate testimony in about 6 days … It used to take six months to go from conspiracy theory to fact.”

(Never mind that in 2020, during Trump’s father’s presidency, the State Department and the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine expressly denied Russia’s renewed claim that Ukraine possessed U.S.-funded bioweapon labs after China’s Foreign Ministry echoed that falsehood to distract from scrutiny of the origins of the coronavirus.)

That's so messed up it's actually funny that some people believe Tucker Carlson, about this or anything else.

Anyway, why was Trump's state department expressly denying what you're talking about when Trump was president?

a reply to: Arbitrageur

The biolabs are real. Cladenstine broke the story on twitter.. the story that got him banned..

China has endorsed this is case too. I dont watch tucker. but the man is now on fire. He is free of the censorship of msm. The same msm you are still eating. Hence your predictable response.


Its documented and under investigation away from UN atm. This will change is time. It links a lot of bad people together that we are better off without. I guess.

Are you saying the biolabs dont exist. You know that have been covered on msm. You know the strong ties between the biden administration and Ukraine,, You know Trump was investigating the country for corruption. Same biolabs which were targeted v ealry in the war effort.. As putin puts special operations to collect evidence....

Trump knows whats going on along with many others..

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I think NATO forces could conduct combined arms warfare better than Ukraine did in 2023, but I think even NATO forces would find those defense lines very challenging.

Perhaps not.

First, NATO would flatten Putin's toy air force and suppress Russian air defenses to the point of dysfunction.

Then, NATO would execute a massive airlift of tens of thousands of troops to points behind the Russian trenches and roll up their defenses in short order.

This is what is crippling Ukraine. They can't dominate the air and they don't have airmobile forces on a scale that can make a difference regarding the fortified lines.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

First, NATO would flatten Putin's toy air force and suppress Russian air defenses to the point of dysfunctio

NATO is gona game over.. :-)
You heard it here first..

a reply to: purplemer

Yeah, I'll believe when I see it happen. Hoping on CT forums doesn't count, Purp.

Cheers

a reply to: purplemer

Can you define what "biolabs" are?

We had one at my school.

No weapons of mass destruction were involved.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Arbitrageur

I think NATO forces could conduct combined arms warfare better than Ukraine did in 2023, but I think even NATO forces would find those defense lines very challenging.

Perhaps not.

First, NATO would flatten Putin's toy air force and suppress Russian air defenses to the point of dysfunction.

Then, NATO would execute a massive airlift of tens of thousands of troops to points behind the Russian trenches and roll up their defenses in short order.

This is what is crippling Ukraine. They can't dominate the air and they don't have airmobile forces on a scale that can make a difference regarding the fortified lines.

Cheers

Interesting. I can certainly see tens of thousands of troops airlifted over the defense lines, then I guess they would take out the Russian artillery crews who are attacking the NATO soldiers operating the demining equipment, so they can demine successfully? The minefields are still huge though.

originally posted by: purplemer
Are you saying the biolabs dont exist. You know that have been covered on msm.

Obviously you didn't read the link I posted. I think you are so in love with your Russian propaganda, you've lost the desire to learn the truth.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Vetinary 4 levle biolabs. PArtly funded by the son of the sitting president of the USA and others inclding joh kerrys son and Pelosis son) Evidence gathered suggests elements of for better words the deepstate have been working on illegal pathogens that they intended to release on the world to target certain races.

in 2005 DIA created a viral forecasting institute (with MOSAD operative (nathan wolfe) this is the company that became metabiota (worked on covid before its release) This spans a good distance and is a hortnets nest including obama etc.

Putin wants these people investiagted. Some does Trump. No off this is by accident. Now just have to wait..

a reply to: purplemer

The biolabs story is part of Russian disinformation campaign , it was so obvious lie that even Russian scientist wanted to come public and say it`s a lie

Russia Is Lying About Evidence of Bioweapons Labs in Ukraine, Russian Biologists Say


Russian Scientists Speak Out Against Putin's Ukraine Bioweapons Labs Lies

a reply to: purplemer

Keep drinking that Russian Kool Ade. They make it in their biolabs, you know.

May contain traces of Novichok and/ or Polonium and so on.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

It wouldn't be a cakewalk, just because the Russians are fighters and tenacious in the defense.

IIRC, a U.S. corps has an entire engineer brigade to deal with obstacles, mines, bridge building etc.

I think, though, that the only reason Russia can pull off this 1915-style defense is because Ukraine lacks the resources to force Russia to conduct 21st century warfare.

Cheers

18 December Update

Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Commander Brigadier General Oleksandr Tarnavskyi stated in an interview with Reuters published on December 18 that Ukrainian forces have shortages of 122mm and 152mm shells along the entire frontline. Tarnavskyi stated that the shortages are prompting Ukrainian forces to redistribute artillery ammunition and replan military tasks.

Ukrainian military sources reported that Ukrainian air defenses downed five Russian-launched Shahed-131/136 drones and a Kh-39 missile over Mykolaiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Vinnytsia, and Khmelnytskyi oblasts.

Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, west and southwest of Donetsk City, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and made a confirmed advance southwest of Donetsk City.

More at URL above.

Cheers

Russia's latest war strategy exposed

The Russian private military company (PMC) Redut, under the control of the Main Directorate of the General Staff (GRU) of the Russian Ministry of Defense, has reportedly started recruiting HIV-positive individuals as mercenaries for the war in Ukraine.

Source

There have been many people stating that Russia's larger population gives Russia an advantage against Ukraine. However, this makes it look like they are desperate for soldiers, seeing as they are now accepting recruits afflicted with HIV and hepatitis.

The move to recruit individuals with such health conditions for military operations raises concerns about the welfare of these recruits and the ethical implications of such practices. It also highlights the challenges faced by Russian military forces in sustaining their manpower in the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.

a reply to: Bishop2199

However, this makes it look like they are desperate for soldiers, seeing as they are now accepting recruits afflicted with HIV and hepatitis.

They are , with an election due next year the last thing Putin wants to do is conduct a fresh mobilization which is why they're also recruiting from prisons again.

More meat needed for the grinder.

19 December Update

Russian forces made confirmed advances northeast of Kupyansk, north of Bakhmut, and southwest of Avdiivka, and continued positional meeting engagements along the entire line of contact.

More at URL above.

Cheers

Russian airplane from kremlin lands in DC. Washington Post removes headline tag at top of website about Ukraine. Zelensky promises to add half million troops but most believe that is impossible.

www.moonofalabama.org...


"Kit Klarenberg @KitKlarenberg - 14:03 UTC · Dec 20, 2023
An hour and a half ago, a Russian "Special Flight Squadron" plane landed in Washington DC. They are used by Kremlin officials. It set out from St. Petersburg. You do the math.


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The plane actually flew from Moscow via St. Petersburg to Washington DC. I wonder who was on board ...

However the signs that the war, and the views on it, have changed are unmistakable:

"It's over":


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a reply to: dust2023

It seems it's not a first , there was a similar flight in June this year , it could just be transferring diplomats.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: dust2023

It seems it's not a first , there was a similar flight in June this year , it could just be transferring diplomats.

I am betting that NATO gives in shortly after the new year. We are all too weak and none of our native children are ACTUALLY willing to fight for anything.

To me, this was a very dumb thing to get involved with and many many souls would still be alive if we did not "elect" such weak and frankly corrupt (spiritually, physically, emotionally) people as our leaders. I see the damage that the west will take for backing out of this will last for decades.

originally posted by: dust2023
To me, this was a very dumb thing to get involved with and many many souls would still be alive if we did not "elect" such weak and frankly corrupt (spiritually, physically, emotionally) people as our leaders. I see the damage that the west will take for backing out of this will last for decades.

What was a dumb thing to get involved in? The Budapest memorandum in 1994? Bill Clinton thought it seemed like the right thing to do at the time, but he's since had second thoughts, and Ukraine regrets giving up their nukes. Who knows how things would have played out in 2022 if Ukraine still had nukes. In the 28 years since the Budapest memorandum, they probably could have figured out how to use them. Maybe Russia would have thought twice about invading their neighbor if it had nukes.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: dust2023
To me, this was a very dumb thing to get involved with and many many souls would still be alive if we did not "elect" such weak and frankly corrupt (spiritually, physically, emotionally) people as our leaders. I see the damage that the west will take for backing out of this will last for decades.

What was a dumb thing to get involved in? The Budapest memorandum in 1994? Bill Clinton thought it seemed like the right thing to do at the time, but he's since had second thoughts, and Ukraine regrets giving up their nukes. Who knows how things would have played out in 2022 if Ukraine still had nukes. In the 28 years since the Budapest memorandum, they probably could have figured out how to use them. Maybe Russia would have thought twice about invading their neighbor if it had nukes.

1. Russia will win
2. Russia was always going to win this
3. This is a diplomatic war. Notice that no one has moved an inch in the northeast border btwn russia and ukraine. Why?
4. Vietnam was similar, how did that turn out?
5. In the 3 areas of conflict, all of them actually voted to separate from Ukraine due to them attacking them.
6. The USA is morally weak. Weaker than it has been since the first civil war.
7. The USA has over burdoened itself with being a mean santa claus for most of the world. We have overstretched and now we are seeing the results.
8. The end result of all of this will be China and Russia becoming more powerful. I'd say in 20 years much more powerful than us.


And we are already seeing that grow more and more realistic with every passing day. While in our country every single identity group you can think of is ripping and tearing at eachother, in those countries, they may be dissidents, but at least they are cohesive in many ways compared to us. We, just like Germany in WW2 are relying on super weapons to win the day. Super weapons won't help a nation that is trying to rip itself apart with the help of the major liberal political party.


Anyway, 2024 is going to be very ugly for Ukraine, and the USA, and probably most western Euro nations.