Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

Wagner boss Prigozhin has returned to Russia, Lukashenko says
Belarus president says head of mercenary group behind failed mutiny is in St Petersburg..........

"Russian mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin has returned to Russia, the Belarusian president has said, despite a peace deal with the Kremlin under which he had agreed to relocate to Belarus.

“As for Prigozhin, he’s in St Petersburg. He is not on the territory of Belarus,” the Belarusian president, Alexander Lukashenko told reporters on Thursday. “Where is Prigozhin this morning? Maybe he left for Moscow.” www.theguardian.com...

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Wagner boss Prigozhin has returned to Russia, Lukashenko says
Belarus president says head of mercenary group behind failed mutiny is in St Petersburg..........

"Russian mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin has returned to Russia, the Belarusian president has said, despite a peace deal with the Kremlin under which he had agreed to relocate to Belarus.

“As for Prigozhin, he’s in St Petersburg. He is not on the territory of Belarus,” the Belarusian president, Alexander Lukashenko told reporters on Thursday. “Where is Prigozhin this morning? Maybe he left for Moscow.” www.theguardian.com...

Probably to discuss when Wagner will return to the battlefield.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
Probably to discuss when Wagner will return to the battlefield.

Some people say no, but I wouldn't rule it out. The Russian army is having trouble holding the flanks around Bakhmut and unless Wager returns to defend it, Ukraine might re-capture Bakhmut, a loss Russia and Putin wouldn't stomach very well.

I think everyone heard Putin is worried about traveling now because of the warrant for his arrest for kidnapping Ukrainian children. His kidnapping accomplice, Maria Lvova-Belova was interviewed by Vice and she laughed at the accusation she's a war criminal and says she doesn't recogniz that international court.

She allows Vice to go to one of the camps holding the kidnapped kids but she's very restricted in what questions she can ask. The kids there are allowed to say they are having fun, but some questions they aren't allowed to answer.

Vice also helps a Ukrainian mother track down her kidnapped child. She has to travel west to Poland, then to Belarus, then to Russia to get her 12 year old boy, the long way around to get into Russia without going through the front lines of the war. She finds her boy and they can ask him anything they want and he tells quite a different story from the other kidnapped children, like he was forced to sleep on a hard floor with no pillow and didn't have fun at all, so he was glad his mother rescued him.

Stealing Ukraine's Children: Inside Russia’s Camps


The Children’s Rights Advocate Accused of Russian War Crimes

Maria Lvova-Belova says she is running a humanitarian evacuation of abandoned Ukrainian children. The International Criminal Court accuses her of abducting them wholesale.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe


Probably to discuss when Wagner will return to the battlefield.

Exactly mate at least thinking along those same lines and Russia needs Wagner right now back to their best like never before. Ukraine's big push looks like it's going the same as Russia's winter offensive. Incredibly slowly. If the Russian's can get Prigozhin back in their ranks and attempt a breakthrough of the stretched Ukrainian lines then this can be a repeat of the Russian offensive against the Nazi's of yesteryear during the 1940's. Truth be told Russia needs Prigozhin and vice versa, I read another article in the Guardian today about Wagner's overseas operations carrying on right now as if nothing at all had happened over the past few days. It's business as usual for them overseas, maybe it's going to business as usual on its home turf in Russia and its newly acquired provinces..............

"‘It is like a virus that spreads’: business as usual for Wagner group’s extensive Africa network" www.theguardian.com...

originally posted by: ADVISOR
a reply to: MrInquisitive

That's what we are trying to explain to mr imitator..

Iron cross is not a swaztika.

But trolls gunna troll...

Denial? The obvious truth lies right in front of you 👉🏻

How about if I show you a video of a Ukrainian soldier doing a Sieg Heil salute, then along comes a Ukrainian military vehicle with Wehrmacht crosses painted on it? All in one video...

Ukrainian soldier raises his hand in a Sieg Heil salute, followed by the appearance of a Ukrainian military vehicle adorned with Wehrmacht crosses.

Link:👉 twitter.com...



Close-up of a Sieg Heil salute::

a reply to: imitator

His hand is pointing down?

Weak.

Looks more like he's punching the air?

a reply to: imitator

Sigh. You are so lost in Russian propaganda that you will believe anything. All this Nazi drivel has been long debunked. It's all part of the story Russia have made up to excuse the disgusting war they started.

Anyway, I think sticking a "Wehrmacht crosses" on a vehicle is more about trolling Russia satirically. It has certainly got Russian lackeys all puffed up.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. 🦆

Right?

You guys have been all over the place! At first, you claimed it was all fake—photoshop, CGI, the works. And now, you're saying it's actually satirical and they're allowed to use that symbol? Seriously, make up your minds already! It's like you're doing acrobatics with your opinions! 🤣

But wait, there's more!

In the video above, did you catch that last military vehicle? You got the Sieg Heil salute, Wehrmacht crosses and the Wolfsangel.

Link:👉 twitter.com...

Sieg Heil salute, Wehrmacht crosses and Wolfsangel, all in one video!

a reply to: imitator

Looks like a white sun to me. And I see no swaztikas. germany also still used the Iron cross,because it was not a nazi symbol originally.

6 July Update

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko stated that Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin and Wagner forces are not in Belarus as of July 6

Ukrainian and Russian officials largely de-escalated their rhetoric regarding the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) on July 6. Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Head Kyrylo Budanov stated on July 6 that the danger of a man-made disaster at the ZNPP is “gradually decreasing,” following warnings by various Ukrainian officials on July 4 that Russian forces may have placed objects resembling explosive devices on the roofs of two of the ZNPP’s reactor buildings.

Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations along the administrative border between Zaporizhia and Donetsk oblasts and in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: imitator

There area lot of Azov emblems in circulation. It's impossible to say what's real or fake. There is a lot of fakery out there, as Russian propaganda is extensive and forceful, and their aim is to confuse and distract.

Nonetheless, the current Azov insignia has a Wolfsanglel design, which traces origins to Medieval Europe. It was adopted by the Nazis, like much of their symbolism, but that does not mean it's a Nazi symbol today.

As I previously said, the slur Ukraine = Nazi is an angle that has been shown to be false, and is a central tenant of Russia's excuse to invade. The whole thing is a propaganda bucket. It's like invading the US because of the imaginings of the KKK, or France because of the Cathars, or Spain because of the Inquisition. It's all bollox, and if you don't see that, then more fool you.

a reply to: imitator

I can't tell if that soldier is holding a fist or his hand out. Maybe he is actually a Black Power supporter...

And one guy out of about 20 on three tanks doing so?

How about concentrate on the actions of the soldiers on each side to see which side is acting more like Nazis.

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: imitator

There area lot of Azov emblems in circulation. It's impossible to say what's real or fake. There is a lot of fakery out there, as Russian propaganda is extensive and forceful, and their aim is to confuse and distract.

Nonetheless, the current Azov insignia has a Wolfsanglel design, which traces origins to Medieval Europe. It was adopted by the Nazis, like much of their symbolism, but that does not mean it's a Nazi symbol today.

As I previously said, the slur Ukraine = Nazi is an angle that has been shown to be false, and is a central tenant of Russia's excuse to invade. The whole thing is a propaganda bucket. It's like invading the US because of the imaginings of the KKK, or France because of the Cathars, or Spain because of the Inquisition. It's all bollox, and if you don't see that, then more fool you.

lol This basically admits that “AZOV” has a straight up Nazi vibe to it.

And as we know Ukrainian nationalists in WW2 ended the war fighting along with Nazis because they hated Stalin.

According to your “debunked” logic….

“There’s a lot of Azov emblems circulating not knowing what’s real or fake! HOWEVER their current insignia is a medieval design which was adopted by the Nazis, and like much of their symbolism but that doesn’t mean it’s nazi today! Probably not today!!”

lol

We all know that “Azov” is a nationalist group. They self proclaim to be. Have Nazi ties. Celebrate yearly a WW2 Nazi Stephan Bandera.

Who are the fools that celebrate that nazi piece of sh#t Stephan Bandera?

Don’t worry, no one here is donating to the grifter Zelensky/jeopardize any donation drives here knowing the current Ukrainian regime supports a Nazi Azov group as a national guard and celebrate Stephan Bandera.

a reply to: imitator

A rose by any other name is still a rose.

It can walk and talk all it wants, but if it chops off its genitals it's nothing more than what It was. Definitely less ...

People can't change gender, and the iron cross is NOT a F'n swaztika.

I'm done discussing that.

Let's take a pill or something.

originally posted by: GAOTU789
Oh and just a little update from Mediazona/BBC.

26,801

The absolute bottom number of dead on the Russian side

Some people saw the mediazona number in some leaked documents and thought that is the total number of Russian dead, but as that link says: "The real death toll is much higher."

Definitely. I'll bet the real number of high ranking Russian officers killed is also higher than the confirmed number they report which is still rather high:

In the past two weeks, we learned about the deaths of 12 officers in the rank of Lieutenant Colonel and higher. The list of high-ranking officers now contains over 260 names.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Looks more like he's punching the air?

That's what it looks like to me, a closed fist punching the air, not a salute.

originally posted by: GAOTU789
There is a lot of hate in these videos but it's something that you can point to when someone says, there is no neo nazis in the Russia or fighting for the Russia. The guy is intelligent and well spoken and I am always happy to hear perspectives from the Russian side. To close your ears to these things is the epitome of ignorance. And yes, the interviewer could have challenged him harder on some of the points but either way, it's a very good interview.

Yes, he sounds like a Russian Neo-nazi, probably most countries have alt least some of those, but hopefully they are in the minority. I don't understand the long history between Cossacks and Bolsheviks very well, he makes some reference to that in his hate speech, but an even bigger point is his apparent homophobia where he gives me the impression that killing everyone in countries that might allow homosexuality is the best way to raise his son in a world free of homos, but the ultimate sad irony would be if one of his sons actually was a homosexual and was forced to live in a world that wouldn't tolerate him because of his father's unfounded hatred.

I like the way the interviewer just lets him talk, because if the interviewer attacked him then he might not feel as free to say what he really thinks.

Here's a partial interview of another Russian soldier, who surrendered and was interviewed as a POW. His revelation is there are painkillers being sent to the front for the treatment of wounded Russian soldiers, and the Russian commanders in the field take those to get high and make nonsensical decisions. One of the commenters said that sounds plausible but he also thinks drinking alcohol is likely a big problem in the Russian army, and may result in as many poor decisions by drunk commanders.

See tense moment when Russian soldiers surrendered

NATO / US could not touch Bashar al-Assad in Syria. They ain't taking Crimea in a similar fashion with a strong navy there as well.

With Russia out of the G8 and Olympics that competitive spirit will pop up somewhere.

a reply to: kwakakev

Russian flagship got sunk. Do keep up.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: kwakakev

Russian flagship got sunk. Do keep up.

It got sunk by Ukraine, who doesn't even have a navy, how embarassing! So the Russian navy is basically in hiding so they don't get any more of their less capable ships sunk.

Turkey won't let Russia bring in more warships either.

Turkey Closes Bosphorus, Dardanelles Straits to Warships

Surprised I havent seen more about the cluster bombs in the next round of "aid" to the ukraine.

Thanks democrats this is what you voted for clowns.