Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

27 June Update

Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations on at least four sectors of the front and reportedly made gains on June 27. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reported that Ukrainian forces advanced in all active sectors of the front from Donetsk to Zaporizhia oblasts.

The ongoing Putin-Lukashenko-Prigozhin powerplay is not yet over and will continue to have short-term and long-term consequences that may benefit Ukraine. Director of the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) Viktor Zolotov announced on June 27 that Rosgvardia will receive heavy weapons and tanks. The announcement indicates that the Kremlin is attempting to address regime security issues that transpired during Prigozhin’s armed rebellion on June 24 – such as Russia’s security forces’ inability or unwillingness to repel a mechanized drive on Moscow.

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Cheers

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: Imhere
One things for sure.

The Russian population remained relatively calm. And going forward.

While the herald Zelensky “counter offense” is still “probing” into a crash course.

The "herald" [sic] counter-offensive has been making daily gains of ten times what the Wagner offensive on Bakhmut was making. Instead of 100-200 m/day, the Ukrainians are making 1-2 km/day. Also, it's being reported that the Russians are running out of reserves. The lack luster Russian offensive against Bakhmut took over seven months. How about giving the Ukrainians another four months before you poo-poo their efforts.

How about no.

Giving more months?

Cmon man.

a reply to: Imhere

The Russian population remained relatively calm.

That calm they shat their pants and welcomed Wagner troops into Rostov completely unopposed and even greeted them like some sort of liberating force.

Wagner almost got to Moscow with barely any sort of resistance - I bet Putin wished his troops could have made as much progress in Ukraine when they first invaded - and the Russian people seemed in a state of apoplexy wondering what the # was going on.

Good old Putin being the leader from the front we all know he is crapped his breeks and jumped on the first available flight out of Moscow.

That's Russian resolve, resilience and calmness for you.

And going forward.

Where?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Imhere

The Russian population remained relatively calm.

That calm they shat their pants and welcomed Wagner troops into Rostov completely unopposed and even welcomed them like some sort of liberating force.

Wagner almost got to Moscow with barely any sort of resistance - I bet Putin wished his troops could have made as much progress in Ukraine when they first invaded - and the Russian people seemed in a state of apoplexy wondering what the # was going on.

Good old Putin being the leader from the front we all know he is crapped his breeks and jumped on the first available flight out of Moscow.

That's Russian, resolve, resilience and calmness for you.

And going forward.

Where?

Where’s the “protests” and rallies?

Where’s the upset?

Again if this was Chicago, Sears tower would be ran over by now.

a reply to: Imhere

I thought everybody in Chicago was too busy killing each other or engaging in woke politics to do anything?

a reply to: Imhere

You've got to be patient in war. Winning a city is worth nothing unless you can hold it and destroy the enemy as well.

originally posted by: Imhere

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: Imhere
One things for sure.

The Russian population remained relatively calm. And going forward.

While the herald Zelensky “counter offense” is still “probing” into a crash course.

The "herald" [sic] counter-offensive has been making daily gains of ten times what the Wagner offensive on Bakhmut was making. Instead of 100-200 m/day, the Ukrainians are making 1-2 km/day. Also, it's being reported that the Russians are running out of reserves. The lack luster Russian offensive against Bakhmut took over seven months. How about giving the Ukrainians another four months before you poo-poo their efforts.

How about no.

Giving more months?

Cmon man.

Surprise, surprise, a Putin fanboi has a double standard for comparing the effectiveness of Russian and Ukrainian offensives. Russia gets seven months +, and Ukraine gets less than one to see the outcome of the offensive. Then there is the fact that Ukraine has not used the bulk of its reserves yet, and says the main offensive is still to come.

28 June Update

Russian authorities reportedly arrested Army General Sergei Surovikin on June 28, possibly indicating that the Kremlin intends to purge the MoD of figures viewed as disloyal. Russian opposition source The Moscow Times reported on June 28 that two sources close to the MoD confirmed that the Russian authorities had arrested Surovikin because he chose to side with Prigozhin during the rebellion.

Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations in at least four sectors of the front. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces are conducting offensive operations in the Bakhmut direction, along the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia administrative border, and in western Zaporizhia.

More at URL above.

Cheers

originally posted by: Cutepants
You've got to be patient in war. Winning a city is worth nothing unless you can hold it and destroy the enemy as well.

Winning a city is pointless if you raze it to the ground.

Russia's objectives are ethnic cleansing, so I guess destroying cities ensures there are no Ukrainians around when the new city is built, eh?

a reply to: Imhere

"Where’s the “protests” and rallies?"

In Russia, you tend to get beaten up, killed or Gulaged for that sort of thing.

a reply to: Imhere

How many months has Putin spent pursuing his "special military operation", now?

When will he start in earnest with his supposed wonder weapons?

Or will he just go on firing ground to air missiles indiscriminately against civilians in towns and cities?

29 June Update

Ukrainian forces intensified counteroffensive operations in the Bakhmut area and reportedly made advances on June 29. The Ukrainian General Staff stated that Ukrainian forces seized the “strategic initiative” in the Bakhmut direction and are currently conducting a broad offensive in the area. Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar reported that Ukrainian forces advanced 1,200m in the direction of Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut) and 1,500m in the direction of Kurdyumivka (13km southwest of Bakhmut).

Russian and Ukrainian forces continued limited ground attacks south of Kreminna on June 29. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces conducted unsuccessful offensive operations near Rozdolivka (32km southwest of Kreminna) and Bilohorivka (12km south of Kreminna). A Kremlin-affiliated milblogger claimed that Russian forces made unspecified gains near the Serebryanske forest area (5–10km southwest of Kreminna).

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

So these limited advances and probes by the Ukrainians are making six to seven times the daily gains the Wagner Group was making against Bakhmut. And they are making them without human wave attacks. From what I've read, the Russian reserves are depleted, and the Ukrainians have yet to launch the bulk of their assault reserves for the main offensive.

And the Kremlin is now purging some of the more successful generals as well as colonels on account of the Wagner mutiny. That's not really going to help the Russians much either.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

I think the key for the Ukrainians will be to get through the fortified areas and make it a mobile battle. The lack of initiative among Russian junior leaders will become apparent at that point.

I gain the impression the Russian command is more disorganized than usual since Prigo's "protest". Didn't help that Gerasimov's deputy got arrested in the wake of that event.

Cheers

Ukraine's defence ministry are reporting withdrawal of Russian troops from the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.

"According to the latest data, the occupation contingent is gradually leaving the territory of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. One of the first to leave the plant were three Rosatom employees who were in charge of the Russians' actions.

"Ukrainian employees who signed a contract with Rosatom were also advised to evacuate. According to the instructions received, they should leave by July 5."

It also emphasised that the number of military patrols are "gradually decreasing" around the plant.
news.sky.com...

False Flag incoming ?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Happy Asteroid Day ! Tunguska Siberia June 31st 1908 , 7;14 AM .

a reply to: MrInquisitive

If this is true we should soon see an updated map of the new front lines. Or is that already available?
What would be great is a front line map that updates every hour.

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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: MrInquisitive

If this is true we should soon see an updated map of the new front lines. Or is that already available?
What would be great is a front line map that updates every hour.

I was under the impression that during the lead-up to and during the offensive, Ukrainian information sources were going to delay providing battlefield information for operational security.

Some pages back in this thread was a post that included a Russian YT war blogger who seemed credible and was a "map guy". His channel would probably be a good source of info.

I was going to @deepstatemap.live, but that seems very out of date compared to some maps I have seen by Ukrainian war YT'er's. Googling "Ukrainian war maps" results in a lot of sites, but I am sure there are even more.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I'm no military expert, not by any stretch.
I'm sure no-one denies Russia has some great equipment but I suspect its a question of how much and how it is deployed.
Others infinitely more qualified may be able to enlighten and inform us on such matters?

Its still my unqualified opinion that things really aren't going that well for Russia on the battlefront - or away from it - at the moment.