Impending Invasion of Ukraine from Belarus Will Likely Force NATO to Act

originally posted by: TrueAmerican
a reply to: face23785

Then why in the world would he launch missiles into strictly civilian targets? Over, and over again. And not just in the east. Besides, pretty much moot point since his original intention was to surround Kyiv. The fact that he failed first time around won't stop him from trying again.

I address that in my thread. If you'd care to give it a read, I'd welcome your reactions to it. I normally enjoy your posts.

Edit: This was 15 minutes ago, but to be clear I wasn't saying go read the entire thread. That would be kind of ridiculous to tell someone I just meant the OP. And maybe this post as well. But feel free to read more of it if you wish, there are some good counterpoints and back-and-forth discussion.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: TrueAmerican

I predicted this months ago.
Russia will use Belarus to tie down Ukrainian troops in the NW while it focuses on consolidating gains in the SE.

It was obvious early on that this would be the strategy.

It would also fit into my theory about what Putin's end goal is. I don't believe he ever wanted the entire country, just parts of it in the east.

Let's not ignore the vast Lithium-Oxide deposits in the disputed areas.
timcast.com...

The deposits are the key to Joe's New Green Deal.
He doesn't give a crap about Ukrainians.

That would explain our rather timid "response."

originally posted by: Ohanka
NATO should get involved only if a NATO country is attacked unprovoked.

As it stands thats not the case. NATO should do nothing. Particularly not for the Azov regime.

Most people don’t understand what NATO is.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: TrueAmerican

I predicted this months ago.
Russia will use Belarus to tie down Ukrainian troops in the NW while it focuses on consolidating gains in the SE.

It was obvious early on that this would be the strategy.

It would also fit into my theory about what Putin's end goal is. I don't believe he ever wanted the entire country, just parts of it in the east.

Let's not ignore the vast Lithium-Oxide deposits in the disputed areas.
timcast.com...

The deposits are the key to Joe's New Green Deal.
He doesn't give a crap about Ukrainians.

That would explain our rather timid "response."

"10% for the Big Guy."

a reply to: TrueAmerican

You're out of your mind to think that bombing troops on Belarus soil is protecting Ukraine. All it will do is bring the EU and the US into the war with more boots on the ground.

Zelinsky has to go. The guy couldn't manage a lemonade stand much less a war. He's totally reliant on the Americans to tell him what to do. And that includes ordinance. It's about time he either agrees to talks with Russia and gets off his high horse.

originally posted by: TrueAmerican
a reply to: face23785

Then why in the world would he launch missiles into strictly civilian targets? Over, and over again. And not just in the east. Besides, pretty much moot point since his original intention was to surround Kyiv. The fact that he failed first time around won't stop him from trying again.

Russia can barely hold the territory it wants to keep in the east and southeast, how is he gonna try and take Kyiv again, with his new conscripts?

Not saying he isn't gonna pound them any way he can, seems Russia is struggling to hold on to what it can, and even that is slipping away.

Or that's the news we hear in the US, that Ukraine is winning, or is that just to justify the huge checks Congress is constantly sending?

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

NATO getting involved on the ground would be a catastrophe for all of Europe. Even if it's not nuclear, the economic consequences will kill off every economy in Europe. Then there's the goddamned Americans who are suing for war and not for peace.

Zelinsky has to go.

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

No, they have grouped their forces together with a 1000 Russian troops and put them on the border. They certainly plan to go in from the north, likely to go Fallujah on Kiev perhaps in the winter or much sooner. Regular folk tend to not stick around when their power has been disabled, the water stops running, and fornations marching towards their city. We will know its impending when the exodus begins. That will start when Zelensky demands every man woman and child grab a gun and sacrifice themselves while he hops in some Italian sports car and high tails it to Poland with his Russian whores and the booze.

It doesnt make sense that Ukraine would go into Belarus for a surprise attack when they destroyed all the bridges connecting them over the weekend. Seems more like the opposite to me, Russia is coming in with friends from the North. Coalition of the willing and all.

originally posted by: putnam6

Not saying he isn't gonna pound them any way he can, seems Russia is struggling to hold on to what it can, and even that is slipping away.

Or that's the news we hear in the US, that Ukraine is winning, or is that just to justify the huge checks Congress is constantly sending?

If the news we hear on pretty much every other subject is any indication, it's bull#.

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Then there's the goddamned Americans who are suing for war and not for peace.

Yes it's all our fault. We should just take all our troops out of Europe and go home and mind our own business...

Except when this popped off numerous European countries were begging us to send more troops over to deter Putin from invading them next.

Make up your minds. I'd be happy to leave ya'll to your fate if that's what you want.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

That will start when Zelensky demands every man woman and child grab a gun and sacrifice themselves while he hops in some Italian sports car and high tails it to Poland with his Russian whores and the booze.

Don't forget the money. Can't leave that behind.

a reply to: putnam6

Our victory is imminent, but we need money. And weapons. And foreign volunteers. And beaten up old aircraft. We did have an air force but it’s gone awol or something. Victory any day now. We’re also conscripting the entire male population. Not to replace losses, just because. We also need any old tanks you happen to have. We did have over a thousand tanks before but can’t seem to find them now. Weird that. Victory is assured!

Like the news coming out of Berlin in 1945. Embarassing really.

Not that the Russian version of events is much better mind you.

a reply to: face23785

It is for the best that we allow Europe to handle European problems. Maybe they wont ne so cocky when tlits their money and citizens that have to fight the cabal wars. And the cabal is based in Eruope anyways. From the WEF to the BIS, north america is currently handled by globalists working on behalf of the Euro financial elites. Their ruling class will never suffer the energy blackouts and cold winters.

Thays why we need President Trump handling things again.

That will start when Zelensky demands every man woman and child grab a gun and sacrifice themselves while he hops in some Italian sports car and high tails it to Poland with his Russian whores and the booze

He did that the very first day of the war.

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: putnam6

Our victory is imminent, but we need money. And weapons. And foreign volunteers. And beaten up old aircraft. We did have an air force but it’s gone awol or something. Victory any day now. We’re also conscripting the entire male population. Not to replace losses, just because. We also need any old tanks you happen to have. We did have over a thousand tanks before but can’t seem to find them now. Weird that. Victory is assured!

Like the news coming out of Berlin in 1945. Embarassing really.

Not that the Russian version of events is much better mind you.

This.

You can acknowledge a lot of what we're hearing about Ukraine is nonsense without supporting Putin.

The naive people who believe the official narrative coming out of Western media can't make that distinction though.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Then there's the goddamned Americans who are suing for war and not for peace.

Yes it's all our fault. We should just take all our troops out of Europe and go home and mind our own business...

Except when this popped off numerous European countries were begging us to send more troops over to deter Putin from invading them next.

Make up your minds. I'd be happy to leave ya'll to your fate if that's what you want.

You forget that except for the UK, Germany, France and Italy wanted nothing to do with the Ukraine problem. It was the Americans who pushed, and pushed, and pushed for involvement. Then there's the armaments and other support. Zelinsky couldn't manage a lemonade stand, much less a war.

Biden and the puppeteers who control him are all out for war because it lines their pocketbooks. At this stage, Zelinsky would be better off surrendering the entire country to Putin and get it over with. The entire thing has been mismanaged from the get-go. He can retire to his mansion in Florida or Panama with billions in various bank accounts.

a reply to: face23785

I read it, and many of the replies. "Shoot for the stars and settle for the moon" theory. Not out of the realm of possibility, and good thread!

However, there is a lot more evidence that the east may not have been his only goal. This comes from statements made by other people that know him, and his visions of regaining a lot of the former Soviet Union. And because of this, the fears of countries like Poland and the Baltic States may be entirely justified. For example, recently we had Poland screaming for nukes (sorry Poland, but no). In addition, he has also made threats to many of those countries.These countries are most certainly feeling threatened, and want Putin stopped soon.

I would be in agreement with the sentiment that the best resolution of this needs to come from within Russia itself. He must be removed, on the grounds that he has threatened the very existence of humanity by backing up some of these threats with action. One must assume then that all of these threats are real, and he intends to back up all of them with action, if need be. Only safe solution- removal from the inside. If this drags on long enough, it will occur. It already is, to a degree.

Perhaps the best course of action is to hold the line best we can, and make the Russian people feel the pain to the point that Russia internally implodes. This may require a few small strikes to terrorize the population- much like what he is doing to Ukraine. The difference is, the Ukrainians remain united and more determined than ever with every blast.

originally posted by: Phantom423

You forget that except for the UK, Germany, France and Italy wanted nothing to do with the Ukraine problem. It was the Americans who pushed, and pushed, and pushed for involvement.

"It was the Americans!!! Oh, and these other countries."

I accept your concession.

I never said every single European country, with no exceptions, wanted our help. Argue against what I actually said. Don't make up an alternative thing I never said to argue against. That's dishonest. Thank you for not being dishonest in the future.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: putnam6

Not saying he isn't gonna pound them any way he can, seems Russia is struggling to hold on to what it can, and even that is slipping away.

Or that's the news we hear in the US, that Ukraine is winning, or is that just to justify the huge checks Congress is constantly sending?

If the news we hear on pretty much every other subject is any indication, it's bull#.

It's BS is pretty much my default mode, especially these last few years, I always read your posts, and read your thoughts on what Putin really wants WBW, excellent analysis, and notice how there isn't an effective argument against it either.

It's a mess but it isn't America's mess, to me it feels like a money pit, and no matter how much cash is thrown at it, it's not going to resolve the deep-rooted issues there.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

Well I appreciate you taking the time to read it. I don't doubt there are valid counterarguments. I could be totally off the mark. I could respond that him saying xyz is part of his misdirection strategy, but then we're just going to get into a never-ending spiral of speculation. In the end, I don't know for sure exactly what's happening.

To me the most obvious parts were the contradictions in the official narrative. The narrative is not logically consistent with itself. That usually means its wrong in some way. And given that the official narrative has been wrong so many times in the past, that led me to think what other alternatives would be possible. What I came up with, in my view, more closely matches what we know about Putin than the story we're being told does.