Astrazeneca: Vaccine death inadequate payout

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3


IFR estimate for high income countries.

www.imperial.ac.uk...

Yes I am aware of the estimates back in 2020 based on seroprevalence. However the estimates were inflated at that time as there isn't any discussion about asymptomatic individuals who make up 1/3 of all infections (they could be more) and those who are not get tested who are many more.

The 1.5% IFR for industrial countries isn't a realistic figure. As far as I remember in the UK the CFR was about 1% most of the time. The IFR is quite low as we know now after 3 years in the pandemic. About 0.3%

Is 1.15 not 1.5.

At that point they definitely did understand the difference between case an actual and the CFR was,from memory, north of 2% .

EtA - Checked and was over 3% at December 2020.

Sorry made a mistake. But still that isn't a correct estimation as those who are asymptomatic are not included and likewise for those who are never get tested. The Imperial estimation was done using seroprevalence only. In reality the CFR was about 1% most of the time in the UK. The IFR is at the levels discussed earlier, around 0.3%. Vaccinations may reduce the number of deaths in the higher risk groups but those infected i.e the denominator is huge and doesn't change much the outcome.

The estimates back in 2020 have now been upgraded by the way. John Ioannidis has made a remarkable job in his paper and he also acknowledges that it's difficult to calculate the IFR as different countries have different fatality rates. However they are not that different as it was thought at the beginning.

The UK death rate is now over .3% of the entire population, that includes the post vaccination period.

Sorry it makes no sense that the IFR was .3% in 2020.

There is no such thing as death rate in epidemiology. It's either the CFR or IFR.

Back in 2020 the estimations didn't involve the number of asymptomatic people or those who were never got tested. The IFR was and still is very low both at a global and local level.

The 0.3% is what it is now. But that doesn't imply it was much higher back in 2020 given that the deaths recorded and not that many tests were conducted. On the top of this many were not tested and others were asymptomatic as I said earlier.

So no, what you are saying is not true. The IFR didn't deviate that much even if vaccines are applied at some time.

COVID-19 is a mild disease for most of us despite the fact it was presented as the Spanish Flu.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No one is saying there are no cases.

But those cases are very rare.

That isn't correct either. This is your personal interpretation on this matter.

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

He has discussed extensively why mass vaccinations were a huge mistake. He isn't the only as you may imagine.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3


IFR estimate for high income countries.

www.imperial.ac.uk...

Yes I am aware of the estimates back in 2020 based on seroprevalence. However the estimates were inflated at that time as there isn't any discussion about asymptomatic individuals who make up 1/3 of all infections (they could be more) and those who are not get tested who are many more.

The 1.5% IFR for industrial countries isn't a realistic figure. As far as I remember in the UK the CFR was about 1% most of the time. The IFR is quite low as we know now after 3 years in the pandemic. About 0.3%

Is 1.15 not 1.5.

At that point they definitely did understand the difference between case an actual and the CFR was,from memory, north of 2% .

EtA - Checked and was over 3% at December 2020.

Sorry made a mistake. But still that isn't a correct estimation as those who are asymptomatic are not included and likewise for those who are never get tested. The Imperial estimation was done using seroprevalence only. In reality the CFR was about 1% most of the time in the UK. The IFR is at the levels discussed earlier, around 0.3%. Vaccinations may reduce the number of deaths in the higher risk groups but those infected i.e the denominator is huge and doesn't change much the outcome.

The estimates back in 2020 have now been upgraded by the way. John Ioannidis has made a remarkable job in his paper and he also acknowledges that it's difficult to calculate the IFR as different countries have different fatality rates. However they are not that different as it was thought at the beginning.

The UK death rate is now over .3% of the entire population, that includes the post vaccination period.

Sorry it makes no sense that the IFR was .3% in 2020.

There is no such thing as death rate in epidemiology. It's either the CFR or IFR.

Back in 2020 the estimations didn't involve the number of asymptomatic people or those who were never got tested. The IFR was and still is very low both at a global and local level.

The 0.3% is what it is now. But that doesn't imply it was much higher back in 2020 given that the deaths recorded and not that many tests were conducted. On the top of this many were not tested and others were asymptomatic as I said earlier.

So no, what you are saying is not true. The IFR didn't deviate that much even if vaccines are applied at some time.

COVID-19 is a mild disease for most of us despite the fact it was presented as the Spanish Flu.

It shows how extremly unlilkely the pre vaccine vaccine being .3 %. Is.

The IFR does vary massively based on age, no one really disputes that therefore demographics will have a major impact on national IFR.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No one is saying there are no cases.

But those cases are very rare.

That isn't correct either. This is your personal interpretation on this matter.

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

He has discussed extensively why mass vaccinations were a huge mistake. He isn't the only as you may imagine.

No it's what the data shows.

That the vaccinations are a mistake is a personal interpretation.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot

The mandate for NHS workers was never enforced so what health care workers lost their jobs?

Care workers lost their jobs....40000 of them.

The Government is planning a U-turn on its vaccine mandate policy for NHS workers, as first revealed by i, but an estimated 40,000 care home workers lost their jobs over the policy

There has been much upset from the medical and care industry. Many care home and health staff have already been dismissed from their job due to the mandated policy. The National Care Association has estimated that around 40,000 staff have lost their jobs as a result of the vaccination policy. The Royal College of Nursing have suggested that this figure is between 50,000 and 60,000 for social care workers and around a fifth of the homecare workforce, 75,000 people, were also predicted to quit their jobs rather than having the jab.

The mandatory COVID-19 vaccination rule will be revoked on March 15th 2022 according to The Department of Health. But what does this mean for the 40,000 Health Care workers who have already lost their job because of the mandate that was put in place since November 2021?

That's 40,000 winnable compensation claims right there. My friend's wife got sacked from her carer's job because she refused the vaccine. She won a considerable lump sum in compensation, all back pay, and got her job back...still unvaxxed.

Will be based on individual circumstances, however has been found in previous cases not to be unfair dismissal.

www.smesolicitors.co.uk...

I would be looking to appeal that case. The Tribunal panel obviously brainwashed as well. A good lawyer will tear them a new one.

Based on your extensive knowledge of the case?

Based on common sense, what we now know about how the virus is transmitted and with a knowledge of employment law.

Unvaxxed Allette was no more likely to pass on the virus than his co-workers who were vaccinated. in fact, you could argue the vaccinated were more likely to pass it on as they could have been infected but showed zero symptoms.
The tribunal #ed up.

The evidence is the vaccines reduce chance of transmission.

I am struggling to find a case won by a social care worker, i am sure there are some but all I have found say a reasonable requirement.

What evidence?. The vaccines don't even reduce the chance of serious illness and death.

Study after study shows that to be false.

Illness and death after death of the vaccinated shows that to be true.

Also, this Nugget.

SGNH Ltd explained that their insurers were not willing to provide cover if unvaccinated staff were found to have passed on Covid-19 to residents or visitors after March 2021.

How would the company or the insurers know exactly who passed on the virus?
The answer is they wouldn't, but they would blame the unvaccinated anyway.
The Tribunal #ed up.

People die in car crashes even wearing seat belts, having airbags, crumble zones etc. Clearly car safety measures don't work and we should get rid of them all.

Not an anonymous poster on a conspiracy site is where I would go for legal advice but opinions differ.

Wow!, an early morning brain-fart postings alert.

Go back to bed for an hour until your brain engages.
Don't worry, we've all been there.

The logic is every bit as sound as people still die so vaccines don't work.

They clearly didn't work for Mr Zion and the tens of thousands of others who have died or been seriously injured because of them.

Other than my father and myself. Everyone I know has had the virus, some multiple times, and all are vaxxed.

My Mother ended up with myocarditis, My son a debilitating migraine that left him unable to function for 3 weeks, my other sons had a seizure. All within hours of being vaccinated.

I could go on with other horror stories of how well these vaccines have worked for many.

I was at a small family party for my grandchild. Everyone (12 people) vaxxed other than me tested positive within days. I'm guessing, i'll be getting the blame. lol.

I speak from experience.

Strange how I don't know single person who has a severe reaction, a rate that would expected based on the data.

Yet on an anonymous conspiracy site every single anti vaxer knows multiple people whose arms dropped off or heads exploded because they got vaccinated.

Pro or ant vax are political positions and should not be used as part of someone's rhetoric.

Every vaccine should be judged in its own merits.

Here we are dealing with what Dr Malhotra said a few days ago

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

I think it doesn't leave much space for interpretation.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot

The mandate for NHS workers was never enforced so what health care workers lost their jobs?

Care workers lost their jobs....40000 of them.

The Government is planning a U-turn on its vaccine mandate policy for NHS workers, as first revealed by i, but an estimated 40,000 care home workers lost their jobs over the policy

There has been much upset from the medical and care industry. Many care home and health staff have already been dismissed from their job due to the mandated policy. The National Care Association has estimated that around 40,000 staff have lost their jobs as a result of the vaccination policy. The Royal College of Nursing have suggested that this figure is between 50,000 and 60,000 for social care workers and around a fifth of the homecare workforce, 75,000 people, were also predicted to quit their jobs rather than having the jab.

The mandatory COVID-19 vaccination rule will be revoked on March 15th 2022 according to The Department of Health. But what does this mean for the 40,000 Health Care workers who have already lost their job because of the mandate that was put in place since November 2021?

That's 40,000 winnable compensation claims right there. My friend's wife got sacked from her carer's job because she refused the vaccine. She won a considerable lump sum in compensation, all back pay, and got her job back...still unvaxxed.

Will be based on individual circumstances, however has been found in previous cases not to be unfair dismissal.

www.smesolicitors.co.uk...

I would be looking to appeal that case. The Tribunal panel obviously brainwashed as well. A good lawyer will tear them a new one.

Based on your extensive knowledge of the case?

Based on common sense, what we now know about how the virus is transmitted and with a knowledge of employment law.

Unvaxxed Allette was no more likely to pass on the virus than his co-workers who were vaccinated. in fact, you could argue the vaccinated were more likely to pass it on as they could have been infected but showed zero symptoms.
The tribunal #ed up.

The evidence is the vaccines reduce chance of transmission.

I am struggling to find a case won by a social care worker, i am sure there are some but all I have found say a reasonable requirement.

What evidence?. The vaccines don't even reduce the chance of serious illness and death.

Study after study shows that to be false.

Illness and death after death of the vaccinated shows that to be true.

Also, this Nugget.

SGNH Ltd explained that their insurers were not willing to provide cover if unvaccinated staff were found to have passed on Covid-19 to residents or visitors after March 2021.

How would the company or the insurers know exactly who passed on the virus?
The answer is they wouldn't, but they would blame the unvaccinated anyway.
The Tribunal #ed up.

People die in car crashes even wearing seat belts, having airbags, crumble zones etc. Clearly car safety measures don't work and we should get rid of them all.

Not an anonymous poster on a conspiracy site is where I would go for legal advice but opinions differ.

Wow!, an early morning brain-fart postings alert.

Go back to bed for an hour until your brain engages.
Don't worry, we've all been there.

The logic is every bit as sound as people still die so vaccines don't work.

They clearly didn't work for Mr Zion and the tens of thousands of others who have died or been seriously injured because of them.

Other than my father and myself. Everyone I know has had the virus, some multiple times, and all are vaxxed.

My Mother ended up with myocarditis, My son a debilitating migraine that left him unable to function for 3 weeks, my other sons had a seizure. All within hours of being vaccinated.

I could go on with other horror stories of how well these vaccines have worked for many.

I was at a small family party for my grandchild. Everyone (12 people) vaxxed other than me tested positive within days. I'm guessing, i'll be getting the blame. lol.

I speak from experience.

Strange how I don't know single person who has a severe reaction, a rate that would expected based on the data.

Yet on an anonymous conspiracy site every single anti vaxer knows multiple people whose arms dropped off or heads exploded because they got vaccinated.

Pro or ant vax are political positions and should not be used as part of someone's rhetoric.

Every vaccine should be judged in its own merits.

Here we are dealing with what Dr Malhotra said a few days ago

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

I think it doesn't leave much space for interpretation.

That's his personal interpretation.

One not backed by the data.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No one is saying there are no cases.

But those cases are very rare.

That isn't correct either. This is your personal interpretation on this matter.

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

He has discussed extensively why mass vaccinations were a huge mistake. He isn't the only as you may imagine.

No it's what the data shows.

That the vaccinations are a mistake is a personal interpretation.

I have already shown you that the CFR at the moment in the UK is 0.87% This is a fact using the recorded cases and deaths.

The IFR is much lower than that.

The data from the peer-reviewed publications from Dr Malhotra shows that the are more adverse reactions from the vaccine than from getting infected from Covid. He said this in his interview.
So not a personal opinion but driven by his data.
He has asked for all vaccinations to stop.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot

The mandate for NHS workers was never enforced so what health care workers lost their jobs?

Care workers lost their jobs....40000 of them.

The Government is planning a U-turn on its vaccine mandate policy for NHS workers, as first revealed by i, but an estimated 40,000 care home workers lost their jobs over the policy

There has been much upset from the medical and care industry. Many care home and health staff have already been dismissed from their job due to the mandated policy. The National Care Association has estimated that around 40,000 staff have lost their jobs as a result of the vaccination policy. The Royal College of Nursing have suggested that this figure is between 50,000 and 60,000 for social care workers and around a fifth of the homecare workforce, 75,000 people, were also predicted to quit their jobs rather than having the jab.

The mandatory COVID-19 vaccination rule will be revoked on March 15th 2022 according to The Department of Health. But what does this mean for the 40,000 Health Care workers who have already lost their job because of the mandate that was put in place since November 2021?

That's 40,000 winnable compensation claims right there. My friend's wife got sacked from her carer's job because she refused the vaccine. She won a considerable lump sum in compensation, all back pay, and got her job back...still unvaxxed.

Will be based on individual circumstances, however has been found in previous cases not to be unfair dismissal.

www.smesolicitors.co.uk...

I would be looking to appeal that case. The Tribunal panel obviously brainwashed as well. A good lawyer will tear them a new one.

Based on your extensive knowledge of the case?

Based on common sense, what we now know about how the virus is transmitted and with a knowledge of employment law.

Unvaxxed Allette was no more likely to pass on the virus than his co-workers who were vaccinated. in fact, you could argue the vaccinated were more likely to pass it on as they could have been infected but showed zero symptoms.
The tribunal #ed up.

The evidence is the vaccines reduce chance of transmission.

I am struggling to find a case won by a social care worker, i am sure there are some but all I have found say a reasonable requirement.

What evidence?. The vaccines don't even reduce the chance of serious illness and death.

Study after study shows that to be false.

Illness and death after death of the vaccinated shows that to be true.

Also, this Nugget.

SGNH Ltd explained that their insurers were not willing to provide cover if unvaccinated staff were found to have passed on Covid-19 to residents or visitors after March 2021.

How would the company or the insurers know exactly who passed on the virus?
The answer is they wouldn't, but they would blame the unvaccinated anyway.
The Tribunal #ed up.

People die in car crashes even wearing seat belts, having airbags, crumble zones etc. Clearly car safety measures don't work and we should get rid of them all.

Not an anonymous poster on a conspiracy site is where I would go for legal advice but opinions differ.

Wow!, an early morning brain-fart postings alert.

Go back to bed for an hour until your brain engages.
Don't worry, we've all been there.

The logic is every bit as sound as people still die so vaccines don't work.

They clearly didn't work for Mr Zion and the tens of thousands of others who have died or been seriously injured because of them.

Other than my father and myself. Everyone I know has had the virus, some multiple times, and all are vaxxed.

My Mother ended up with myocarditis, My son a debilitating migraine that left him unable to function for 3 weeks, my other sons had a seizure. All within hours of being vaccinated.

I could go on with other horror stories of how well these vaccines have worked for many.

I was at a small family party for my grandchild. Everyone (12 people) vaxxed other than me tested positive within days. I'm guessing, i'll be getting the blame. lol.

I speak from experience.

Strange how I don't know single person who has a severe reaction, a rate that would expected based on the data.

Yet on an anonymous conspiracy site every single anti vaxer knows multiple people whose arms dropped off or heads exploded because they got vaccinated.

Pro or ant vax are political positions and should not be used as part of someone's rhetoric.

Every vaccine should be judged in its own merits.

Here we are dealing with what Dr Malhotra said a few days ago

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

I think it doesn't leave much space for interpretation.

That's his personal interpretation.

One not backed by the data.

Wrong again. He has published a peer reviewed paper and his research conducted over the last 9 months. It shows more adverse reactions from the vaccines rather then from getting infected with SARS-CoV-2

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No one is saying there are no cases.

But those cases are very rare.

That isn't correct either. This is your personal interpretation on this matter.

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

He has discussed extensively why mass vaccinations were a huge mistake. He isn't the only as you may imagine.

No it's what the data shows.

That the vaccinations are a mistake is a personal interpretation.

I have already shown you that the CFR at the moment in the UK is 0.87% This is a fact using the recorded cases and deaths.

The IFR is much lower than that.

The data from the peer-reviewed publications from Dr Malhotra shows that the are more adverse reactions from the vaccine than from getting infected from Covid. He said this in his interview.
So not a personal opinion but driven by his data.
He has asked for all vaccinations to stop.

We aren't talking about the IFR /CFR now but pre vaccination program.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot

The mandate for NHS workers was never enforced so what health care workers lost their jobs?

Care workers lost their jobs....40000 of them.

The Government is planning a U-turn on its vaccine mandate policy for NHS workers, as first revealed by i, but an estimated 40,000 care home workers lost their jobs over the policy

There has been much upset from the medical and care industry. Many care home and health staff have already been dismissed from their job due to the mandated policy. The National Care Association has estimated that around 40,000 staff have lost their jobs as a result of the vaccination policy. The Royal College of Nursing have suggested that this figure is between 50,000 and 60,000 for social care workers and around a fifth of the homecare workforce, 75,000 people, were also predicted to quit their jobs rather than having the jab.

The mandatory COVID-19 vaccination rule will be revoked on March 15th 2022 according to The Department of Health. But what does this mean for the 40,000 Health Care workers who have already lost their job because of the mandate that was put in place since November 2021?

That's 40,000 winnable compensation claims right there. My friend's wife got sacked from her carer's job because she refused the vaccine. She won a considerable lump sum in compensation, all back pay, and got her job back...still unvaxxed.

Will be based on individual circumstances, however has been found in previous cases not to be unfair dismissal.

www.smesolicitors.co.uk...

I would be looking to appeal that case. The Tribunal panel obviously brainwashed as well. A good lawyer will tear them a new one.

Based on your extensive knowledge of the case?

Based on common sense, what we now know about how the virus is transmitted and with a knowledge of employment law.

Unvaxxed Allette was no more likely to pass on the virus than his co-workers who were vaccinated. in fact, you could argue the vaccinated were more likely to pass it on as they could have been infected but showed zero symptoms.
The tribunal #ed up.

The evidence is the vaccines reduce chance of transmission.

I am struggling to find a case won by a social care worker, i am sure there are some but all I have found say a reasonable requirement.

What evidence?. The vaccines don't even reduce the chance of serious illness and death.

Study after study shows that to be false.

Illness and death after death of the vaccinated shows that to be true.

Also, this Nugget.

SGNH Ltd explained that their insurers were not willing to provide cover if unvaccinated staff were found to have passed on Covid-19 to residents or visitors after March 2021.

How would the company or the insurers know exactly who passed on the virus?
The answer is they wouldn't, but they would blame the unvaccinated anyway.
The Tribunal #ed up.

People die in car crashes even wearing seat belts, having airbags, crumble zones etc. Clearly car safety measures don't work and we should get rid of them all.

Not an anonymous poster on a conspiracy site is where I would go for legal advice but opinions differ.

Wow!, an early morning brain-fart postings alert.

Go back to bed for an hour until your brain engages.
Don't worry, we've all been there.

The logic is every bit as sound as people still die so vaccines don't work.

They clearly didn't work for Mr Zion and the tens of thousands of others who have died or been seriously injured because of them.

Other than my father and myself. Everyone I know has had the virus, some multiple times, and all are vaxxed.

My Mother ended up with myocarditis, My son a debilitating migraine that left him unable to function for 3 weeks, my other sons had a seizure. All within hours of being vaccinated.

I could go on with other horror stories of how well these vaccines have worked for many.

I was at a small family party for my grandchild. Everyone (12 people) vaxxed other than me tested positive within days. I'm guessing, i'll be getting the blame. lol.

I speak from experience.

Strange how I don't know single person who has a severe reaction, a rate that would expected based on the data.

Yet on an anonymous conspiracy site every single anti vaxer knows multiple people whose arms dropped off or heads exploded because they got vaccinated.

Pro or ant vax are political positions and should not be used as part of someone's rhetoric.

Every vaccine should be judged in its own merits.

Here we are dealing with what Dr Malhotra said a few days ago

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

I think it doesn't leave much space for interpretation.

That's his personal interpretation.

One not backed by the data.

Wing again. He has published a peer reviewed paper and his research conducted over the last 9 months. It shows more adverse reactions from the vaccines rather then from getting infected with SARS-CoV-2.

But allow me to make a new thread about this.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot

The mandate for NHS workers was never enforced so what health care workers lost their jobs?

Care workers lost their jobs....40000 of them.

The Government is planning a U-turn on its vaccine mandate policy for NHS workers, as first revealed by i, but an estimated 40,000 care home workers lost their jobs over the policy

There has been much upset from the medical and care industry. Many care home and health staff have already been dismissed from their job due to the mandated policy. The National Care Association has estimated that around 40,000 staff have lost their jobs as a result of the vaccination policy. The Royal College of Nursing have suggested that this figure is between 50,000 and 60,000 for social care workers and around a fifth of the homecare workforce, 75,000 people, were also predicted to quit their jobs rather than having the jab.

The mandatory COVID-19 vaccination rule will be revoked on March 15th 2022 according to The Department of Health. But what does this mean for the 40,000 Health Care workers who have already lost their job because of the mandate that was put in place since November 2021?

That's 40,000 winnable compensation claims right there. My friend's wife got sacked from her carer's job because she refused the vaccine. She won a considerable lump sum in compensation, all back pay, and got her job back...still unvaxxed.

Will be based on individual circumstances, however has been found in previous cases not to be unfair dismissal.

www.smesolicitors.co.uk...

I would be looking to appeal that case. The Tribunal panel obviously brainwashed as well. A good lawyer will tear them a new one.

Based on your extensive knowledge of the case?

Based on common sense, what we now know about how the virus is transmitted and with a knowledge of employment law.

Unvaxxed Allette was no more likely to pass on the virus than his co-workers who were vaccinated. in fact, you could argue the vaccinated were more likely to pass it on as they could have been infected but showed zero symptoms.
The tribunal #ed up.

The evidence is the vaccines reduce chance of transmission.

I am struggling to find a case won by a social care worker, i am sure there are some but all I have found say a reasonable requirement.

What evidence?. The vaccines don't even reduce the chance of serious illness and death.

Study after study shows that to be false.

Illness and death after death of the vaccinated shows that to be true.

Also, this Nugget.

SGNH Ltd explained that their insurers were not willing to provide cover if unvaccinated staff were found to have passed on Covid-19 to residents or visitors after March 2021.

How would the company or the insurers know exactly who passed on the virus?
The answer is they wouldn't, but they would blame the unvaccinated anyway.
The Tribunal #ed up.

People die in car crashes even wearing seat belts, having airbags, crumble zones etc. Clearly car safety measures don't work and we should get rid of them all.

Not an anonymous poster on a conspiracy site is where I would go for legal advice but opinions differ.

Wow!, an early morning brain-fart postings alert.

Go back to bed for an hour until your brain engages.
Don't worry, we've all been there.

The logic is every bit as sound as people still die so vaccines don't work.

They clearly didn't work for Mr Zion and the tens of thousands of others who have died or been seriously injured because of them.

Other than my father and myself. Everyone I know has had the virus, some multiple times, and all are vaxxed.

My Mother ended up with myocarditis, My son a debilitating migraine that left him unable to function for 3 weeks, my other sons had a seizure. All within hours of being vaccinated.

I could go on with other horror stories of how well these vaccines have worked for many.

I was at a small family party for my grandchild. Everyone (12 people) vaxxed other than me tested positive within days. I'm guessing, i'll be getting the blame. lol.

I speak from experience.

Strange how I don't know single person who has a severe reaction, a rate that would expected based on the data.

Yet on an anonymous conspiracy site every single anti vaxer knows multiple people whose arms dropped off or heads exploded because they got vaccinated.

Pro or ant vax are political positions and should not be used as part of someone's rhetoric.

Every vaccine should be judged in its own merits.

Here we are dealing with what Dr Malhotra said a few days ago

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

I think it doesn't leave much space for interpretation.

That's his personal interpretation.

One not backed by the data.

Wrong again. He has published a peer reviewed paper and his research conducted over the last 9 months. It shows more adverse reactions from the vaccines rather then from getting infected with SARS-CoV-2

I don't seem to recall you linking to any study.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No one is saying there are no cases.

But those cases are very rare.

That isn't correct either. This is your personal interpretation on this matter.

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

He has discussed extensively why mass vaccinations were a huge mistake. He isn't the only as you may imagine.

No it's what the data shows.

That the vaccinations are a mistake is a personal interpretation.

I have already shown you that the CFR at the moment in the UK is 0.87% This is a fact using the recorded cases and deaths.

The IFR is much lower than that.

The data from the peer-reviewed publications from Dr Malhotra shows that the are more adverse reactions from the vaccine than from getting infected from Covid. He said this in his interview.
So not a personal opinion but driven by his data.
He has asked for all vaccinations to stop.

We aren't talking about the IFR /CFR now but pre vaccination program.

Yes, and? It was very similar to the one we have now. It was never as high as it was reported as I said numerous times in my replies to you. If you are trying to shoe that vaccines have reduced the IFR massively then I want to see the calculations first.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No one is saying there are no cases.

But those cases are very rare.

That isn't correct either. This is your personal interpretation on this matter.

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

He has discussed extensively why mass vaccinations were a huge mistake. He isn't the only as you may imagine.

No it's what the data shows.

That the vaccinations are a mistake is a personal interpretation.

I have already shown you that the CFR at the moment in the UK is 0.87% This is a fact using the recorded cases and deaths.

The IFR is much lower than that.

The data from the peer-reviewed publications from Dr Malhotra shows that the are more adverse reactions from the vaccine than from getting infected from Covid. He said this in his interview.
So not a personal opinion but driven by his data.
He has asked for all vaccinations to stop.

We aren't talking about the IFR /CFR now but pre vaccination program.

Yes, and? It was very similar to the one we have now. It was never as high as it was reported as I said numerous times in my replies to you. If you are trying to shoe that vaccines have reduced the IFR massively then I want to see the calculations first.

Just saying something doesn't make it true.

Any source for your claim

"A woman whose partner died after having an AstraZeneca jab"
"She was awarded the maximum settlement of £120,000 but said it was not enough."
"The 38-year-old said she had got into debt after losing
Zion's earnings and should have had closer to £180,000."

This woman is Saying a grate deal??
you said she is dead?

Yes the DEAD should get paid a lot!
but now that she won She can fight for more.
and she has now set a legal president.
so it will be easier for others to win!

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot

The mandate for NHS workers was never enforced so what health care workers lost their jobs?

Care workers lost their jobs....40000 of them.

The Government is planning a U-turn on its vaccine mandate policy for NHS workers, as first revealed by i, but an estimated 40,000 care home workers lost their jobs over the policy

There has been much upset from the medical and care industry. Many care home and health staff have already been dismissed from their job due to the mandated policy. The National Care Association has estimated that around 40,000 staff have lost their jobs as a result of the vaccination policy. The Royal College of Nursing have suggested that this figure is between 50,000 and 60,000 for social care workers and around a fifth of the homecare workforce, 75,000 people, were also predicted to quit their jobs rather than having the jab.

The mandatory COVID-19 vaccination rule will be revoked on March 15th 2022 according to The Department of Health. But what does this mean for the 40,000 Health Care workers who have already lost their job because of the mandate that was put in place since November 2021?

That's 40,000 winnable compensation claims right there. My friend's wife got sacked from her carer's job because she refused the vaccine. She won a considerable lump sum in compensation, all back pay, and got her job back...still unvaxxed.

Will be based on individual circumstances, however has been found in previous cases not to be unfair dismissal.

www.smesolicitors.co.uk...

I would be looking to appeal that case. The Tribunal panel obviously brainwashed as well. A good lawyer will tear them a new one.

Based on your extensive knowledge of the case?

Based on common sense, what we now know about how the virus is transmitted and with a knowledge of employment law.

Unvaxxed Allette was no more likely to pass on the virus than his co-workers who were vaccinated. in fact, you could argue the vaccinated were more likely to pass it on as they could have been infected but showed zero symptoms.
The tribunal #ed up.

The evidence is the vaccines reduce chance of transmission.

I am struggling to find a case won by a social care worker, i am sure there are some but all I have found say a reasonable requirement.

What evidence?. The vaccines don't even reduce the chance of serious illness and death.

Study after study shows that to be false.

Illness and death after death of the vaccinated shows that to be true.

Also, this Nugget.

SGNH Ltd explained that their insurers were not willing to provide cover if unvaccinated staff were found to have passed on Covid-19 to residents or visitors after March 2021.

How would the company or the insurers know exactly who passed on the virus?
The answer is they wouldn't, but they would blame the unvaccinated anyway.
The Tribunal #ed up.

People die in car crashes even wearing seat belts, having airbags, crumble zones etc. Clearly car safety measures don't work and we should get rid of them all.

Not an anonymous poster on a conspiracy site is where I would go for legal advice but opinions differ.

Wow!, an early morning brain-fart postings alert.

Go back to bed for an hour until your brain engages.
Don't worry, we've all been there.

The logic is every bit as sound as people still die so vaccines don't work.

They clearly didn't work for Mr Zion and the tens of thousands of others who have died or been seriously injured because of them.

Other than my father and myself. Everyone I know has had the virus, some multiple times, and all are vaxxed.

My Mother ended up with myocarditis, My son a debilitating migraine that left him unable to function for 3 weeks, my other sons had a seizure. All within hours of being vaccinated.

I could go on with other horror stories of how well these vaccines have worked for many.

I was at a small family party for my grandchild. Everyone (12 people) vaxxed other than me tested positive within days. I'm guessing, i'll be getting the blame. lol.

I speak from experience.

Strange how I don't know single person who has a severe reaction, a rate that would expected based on the data.

Yet on an anonymous conspiracy site every single anti vaxer knows multiple people whose arms dropped off or heads exploded because they got vaccinated.

Pro or ant vax are political positions and should not be used as part of someone's rhetoric.

Every vaccine should be judged in its own merits.

Here we are dealing with what Dr Malhotra said a few days ago

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

I think it doesn't leave much space for interpretation.

That's his personal interpretation.

One not backed by the data.

Wrong again. He has published a peer reviewed paper and his research conducted over the last 9 months. It shows more adverse reactions from the vaccines rather then from getting infected with SARS-CoV-2

I don't seem to recall you linking to any study.

I second this, link please.

originally posted by: buddha
"A woman whose partner died after having an AstraZeneca jab"
"She was awarded the maximum settlement of £120,000 but said it was not enough."
"The 38-year-old said she had got into debt after losing
Zion's earnings and should have had closer to £180,000."

This woman is Saying a grate deal??
you said she dead?

Yes the DEAD should get piad a lot!
but now that she won She can fight for more.
and she has now set a legal president.
so it will be easier for others to win!

She hasn't actually won anything, or set a precedent, because this wasn't a legal case.

She applied to a government compensation fund and was awarded an automatic payout. The government accepted her claim at face value and cut her a check.

This is an existing arrangement that pre-dates covid, and its purpose is to ensure that people who are harmed by vaccinations can get compensation without having to sue the company that makes them.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot

The mandate for NHS workers was never enforced so what health care workers lost their jobs?

Care workers lost their jobs....40000 of them.

The Government is planning a U-turn on its vaccine mandate policy for NHS workers, as first revealed by i, but an estimated 40,000 care home workers lost their jobs over the policy

There has been much upset from the medical and care industry. Many care home and health staff have already been dismissed from their job due to the mandated policy. The National Care Association has estimated that around 40,000 staff have lost their jobs as a result of the vaccination policy. The Royal College of Nursing have suggested that this figure is between 50,000 and 60,000 for social care workers and around a fifth of the homecare workforce, 75,000 people, were also predicted to quit their jobs rather than having the jab.

The mandatory COVID-19 vaccination rule will be revoked on March 15th 2022 according to The Department of Health. But what does this mean for the 40,000 Health Care workers who have already lost their job because of the mandate that was put in place since November 2021?

That's 40,000 winnable compensation claims right there. My friend's wife got sacked from her carer's job because she refused the vaccine. She won a considerable lump sum in compensation, all back pay, and got her job back...still unvaxxed.

Will be based on individual circumstances, however has been found in previous cases not to be unfair dismissal.

www.smesolicitors.co.uk...

I would be looking to appeal that case. The Tribunal panel obviously brainwashed as well. A good lawyer will tear them a new one.

Based on your extensive knowledge of the case?

Based on common sense, what we now know about how the virus is transmitted and with a knowledge of employment law.

Unvaxxed Allette was no more likely to pass on the virus than his co-workers who were vaccinated. in fact, you could argue the vaccinated were more likely to pass it on as they could have been infected but showed zero symptoms.
The tribunal #ed up.

The evidence is the vaccines reduce chance of transmission.

I am struggling to find a case won by a social care worker, i am sure there are some but all I have found say a reasonable requirement.

What evidence?. The vaccines don't even reduce the chance of serious illness and death.

Study after study shows that to be false.

Illness and death after death of the vaccinated shows that to be true.

Also, this Nugget.

SGNH Ltd explained that their insurers were not willing to provide cover if unvaccinated staff were found to have passed on Covid-19 to residents or visitors after March 2021.

How would the company or the insurers know exactly who passed on the virus?
The answer is they wouldn't, but they would blame the unvaccinated anyway.
The Tribunal #ed up.

People die in car crashes even wearing seat belts, having airbags, crumble zones etc. Clearly car safety measures don't work and we should get rid of them all.

Not an anonymous poster on a conspiracy site is where I would go for legal advice but opinions differ.

Wow!, an early morning brain-fart postings alert.

Go back to bed for an hour until your brain engages.
Don't worry, we've all been there.

The logic is every bit as sound as people still die so vaccines don't work.

They clearly didn't work for Mr Zion and the tens of thousands of others who have died or been seriously injured because of them.

Other than my father and myself. Everyone I know has had the virus, some multiple times, and all are vaxxed.

My Mother ended up with myocarditis, My son a debilitating migraine that left him unable to function for 3 weeks, my other sons had a seizure. All within hours of being vaccinated.

I could go on with other horror stories of how well these vaccines have worked for many.

I was at a small family party for my grandchild. Everyone (12 people) vaxxed other than me tested positive within days. I'm guessing, i'll be getting the blame. lol.

I speak from experience.

Strange how I don't know single person who has a severe reaction, a rate that would expected based on the data.

Yet on an anonymous conspiracy site every single anti vaxer knows multiple people whose arms dropped off or heads exploded because they got vaccinated.

Pro or ant vax are political positions and should not be used as part of someone's rhetoric.

Every vaccine should be judged in its own merits.

Here we are dealing with what Dr Malhotra said a few days ago

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

I think it doesn't leave much space for interpretation.

That's his personal interpretation.

One not backed by the data.

Wrong again. He has published a peer reviewed paper and his research conducted over the last 9 months. It shows more adverse reactions from the vaccines rather then from getting infected with SARS-CoV-2

I don't seem to recall you linking to any study.

I haven't linked anything yet as I will make a thread about this.

The video from him here:

youtu.be...



You need to watch it first. He isn't lying by the way.

These are the results

"In the non-elderly population the “number needed to treat” to prevent a single death runs into the thousands. Re-analysis of randomised controlled trials using the messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) technology suggests a greater risk of serious adverse events from the vaccines than being hospitalised from COVID-19"

Let me make a thread about that. It will of course change the false understanding many have in terms of the risk to benefit ratio

a reply to: Asmodeus3


Not really interested in videos of shock jock media with lurid headlines.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No one is saying there are no cases.

But those cases are very rare.

That isn't correct either. This is your personal interpretation on this matter.

As Dr Malhotra said a few days earlier in relation to the mRNA vaccines and the mass vaccinations

"What we are dealing now is perhaps one of the greatest miscarriages of medical science we have witnessed in a lifetime"

He has discussed extensively why mass vaccinations were a huge mistake. He isn't the only as you may imagine.

No it's what the data shows.

That the vaccinations are a mistake is a personal interpretation.

I have already shown you that the CFR at the moment in the UK is 0.87% This is a fact using the recorded cases and deaths.

The IFR is much lower than that.

The data from the peer-reviewed publications from Dr Malhotra shows that the are more adverse reactions from the vaccine than from getting infected from Covid. He said this in his interview.
So not a personal opinion but driven by his data.
He has asked for all vaccinations to stop.

We aren't talking about the IFR /CFR now but pre vaccination program.

Yes, and? It was very similar to the one we have now. It was never as high as it was reported as I said numerous times in my replies to you. If you are trying to shoe that vaccines have reduced the IFR massively then I want to see the calculations first.

Just saying something doesn't make it true.

Any source for your claim

I am sorry but it is you who makes claims without linking anything.

I have linked several papers and articles in this thread and all the other threads I have participated. The work of John Ioannidis in IFR which was published in the Bulletin of the WHO or the most upgraded research from him in the pubmed and several other articles from newspapers and videos.

Your claim is that somehow we had a high IFR but that's just a claim. There is no proof for this as you know. Then you upgraded your claims that now we enjoy a much lower IFR due to the vaccines... But where is the proof for this??

If you are trying to show that the IFR was quite high and was significantly reduced by the vaccines then you need to have very good evidence. And you don't obviously.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3


Not really interested in videos of shock jock media with lurid headlines.

As I want to create a thread I would like to link his papers to that thread. But it's easy to find his papers online. Dr Akeem Malhotra.

You also made another claim that this is his personal opinion (obviously this isn't the case)
You are trying very hard but not successfully to doubt John Ioannidis work other academics and the reality of Covid-19 as it doesn't fit your understanding and idea you had about Covid until now.


Part of the conclusion (which I am not making it up)

"In the non-elderly population the “number needed to treat” to prevent a single death runs into the thousands. Re-analysis of randomised controlled trials using the messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) technology suggests a greater risk of serious adverse events from the vaccines than being hospitalised from COVID-19: