Lavrov "We are at war with NATO"

originally posted by: 38181
a reply to: BerkshireEntity

Doubt it. The radiation signatures would point directly at whos nuke it was.

The problem with that is, are you gonna do the analysis yourself?

We would just be told whose signature it was. Told by very untrustworthy people.

originally posted by: Snarl
Just goes to show ... no matter how frustrated you are ... Putin is still bung-holing Zelensky and the 0bama administration hang-arounds.

Is he? Did he take Kyiv? Two months of stalemate (at best) isn't really achieving your objectives.

I wonder how much of a financial setback it has been for all those corrupt US politicians.

Uh, if they have their money in the defense sector I think they'll be fine.

We have a current administration, all of them, who want a war. Badly. You have the FM of Russia telling the EU and US to stop providing weapons or it will escalate.

Russia is not bluffing. When they cut off Germanys Gas we will find out what happens.....

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Snarl

The Russians are doing just fine.

Looking at the map today I think you are pretty much spot on

Looks like Putin is going to take the coast now Kehrson is under Russian occupation making what's left of Ukrainian speaking Ukraine kind of limbless without a port.

I guess the new Russian boots on the ground will soon as in pre 1991 stretch all the way to Romania / Moldova whatever they call that place

Last week I did a thread arguing that Putin never wanted the whole country to begin with. He just wanted the most economically and strategically valuable parts. The half-assed attempts to "take" Kiev were for show. That's why he sent the conscripts with #ty equipment and inadequate supplies there. He doesn't give a # about them, they were cannon fodder.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Uh, if they have their money in the defense sector I think they'll be fine.

This. The corrupt bastards know this stuff is happening well before we do. They just move their money around.

originally posted by: matafuchs
You have the FM of Russia telling the EU and US to stop providing weapons or it will escalate.

The only thing they have left are nukes and no one on Russia's side thinks they can win a thermonuclear exchange, they won't use them against NATO. Their conventional arms have proven to be a joke so all they have left are threats at this point.

originally posted by: face23785
This. The corrupt bastards know this stuff is happening well before we do. They just move their money around.

Do they? I moved some stock around in February to the defense contractors who supply most of the arms being used, it was obvious it was going to happen.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Did he take Kyiv?

Did he intend to?

He could level the city in a few hours if that was his intent. No nukes necessary.

Some objectives are better neutralized than captured or destroyed. He's got Zelensky and his cronies all penned-up in there growing beards, wearing green t-shirts and playing hero.

originally posted by: Snarl
Did he intend to?

He could level the city in a few hours if that was his intent.

So his intent was to piss away materiale and personnel with nothing to show for it? If that was his strategy then it was brilliant since he certainly achieved that goal.

Some objectives are better neutralized than captured or destroyed.

Yeah, he did neither with Kyiv, countries are reopening embassies and politicians are visiting.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Snarl

The Russians are doing just fine.

Looking at the map today I think you are pretty much spot on

Looks like Putin is going to take the coast now Kehrson is under Russian occupation making what's left of Ukrainian speaking Ukraine kind of limbless without a port.

I guess the new Russian boots on the ground will soon as in pre 1991 stretch all the way to Romania / Moldova whatever they call that place

Last week I did a thread arguing that Putin never wanted the whole country to begin with. He just wanted the most economically and strategically valuable parts. The half-assed attempts to "take" Kiev were for show. That's why he sent the conscripts with #ty equipment and inadequate supplies there. He doesn't give a # about them, they were cannon fodder.

Spot on mate and I'll check out your thread

As you state Putin never wanted Kiev, it was a total destraction from the south where the battle is going extremely well for Russia. Donetsk, Luhansk, now Kehrson all back under Moscow control. Next step Michaelov followed by odessa wher much of the popualtion is Russian leaning speaking too.

If Putin had wanted Kiev he could have levelled it Aleppo style yet he went in poked around then left all the time taking the east and south with all the industry, sea side / ports, agriculture.

While the western MSM were totally focussed on Kiev Putin played a blinder and took the east and south.

The ironic thing is this......................

Around January here in the UK Sergei Markov gave an interview to the BBC. He said no way did Putin want western Ukraine, he said Russia didn't want to attempt to contro an effective Nazi leaning state with all the terror that would bring. He said all Putin wanted was the east and the whole of the southern coast to link up with Moldavia, the rest of Ukraine was a basket case and a burden to anybody who controlled it.

Now to taday and Markov, Putin's former ambassado has been proved spot on with Russia controlling the regions as promised

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
So his intent was to piss away materiale and personnel with nothing to show for it? If that was his strategy then it was brilliant since he certainly achieved that goal.

The US has blown $3.7 billion on The Ukraine since this crap-storm started. $3.7 Billion.

And, what have we got to show for it? Putin is still wreaking havoc at-will.

originally posted by: Snarl
The US has blown $3.7 billion on The Ukraine since this crap-storm started. $3.7 Billion.

Drop in the bucket compared to what Russia flushed down the toilet.

And, what have we got to show for it? Putin is still wreaking havoc at-will.

Yeah, I see the massive gains he's made. /s

Not to mention they've basically screwed their economy for who knows how long. All that investment pulling out won't come back soon if at all. The lack of critical components will seriously impact manufacturing, particularly in key industries such as aerospace and defense. Have fun with that.

a reply to: Snarl

He sent a 40 mile convoy.

If his intent wasn't to take Kyiv then his generals should remove him from power because he's clearly lost the plot.

You don't expose that much equipment and troops to hundreds of miles of possible attacks, not to mention the waste of fuel, food, etc, if your desired objective is nothing.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
compared to what Russia flushed down the toilet.

Some old tanks and some green troops (maybe even throw in a few incompetent generals)?

they've basically screwed their economy

I don't see it. Europeans (NATO countries even) are still buying their fuel from Russia (except Poland and Bulgaria Ahhhhhahahahahaha). Now ... that ... is embarrassing.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Snarl

He sent a 40 mile convoy.

If his intent wasn't to take Kyiv then his generals should remove him from power because he's clearly lost the plot.

You don't expose that much equipment and troops to hundreds of miles of possible attacks, not to mention the waste of fuel, food, etc, if your desired objective is nothing.

That is just 40 miles of scrap metal. MSM totall focussed on the north all the time the south was being taken by Putin.

In exchange for a little scrap metal Russia gets to control all the Black Sea coast to Rumania.

In 100 years time nobody gonna be bothered about a bit of scrap metal that the largest nation on Earth can replace with ease long term with all its metals resorces but Russia will stretch all the way to Rumania and that is the thing that counts

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: face23785
This. The corrupt bastards know this stuff is happening well before we do. They just move their money around.

Do they? I moved some stock around in February to the defense contractors who supply most of the arms being used, it was obvious it was going to happen.

Is February well before it happened? It happened in February.

Good moves though.

a reply to: Snarl

I don't see it. Europeans (NATO countries even) are still buying their fuel from Russia (except Poland and Bulgaria Ahhhhhahahahahaha). Now ... that ... is embarrassing

Small delay now fixed.

As we've been reporting, the Russian gas provider Gazprom has cut off its supplies to Poland and Bulgaria. The Polish gas pipeline operator Gaz-System said customers in the country are receiving enough gas to meet the current demand.

"The transmission network is continuously supplied from other directions" including from Germany and the Czech Republic, the company said in a statement quoted by Reuters.

www.bbc.com...

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Snarl

He sent a 40 mile convoy.

If his intent wasn't to take Kyiv then his generals should remove him from power because he's clearly lost the plot.

You don't expose that much equipment and troops to hundreds of miles of possible attacks, not to mention the waste of fuel, food, etc, if your desired objective is nothing.

You don't remember when that convoy turned out to not be what they thought it was? It got a ton of coverage for like a week (every day during which the media insisted it would be in Kiev the next day), then for 2 days straight on Fox and CNN it was "Oh, um, we've got new satellite photos and there aren't even really any tanks or other assault vehicles/equipment in this convoy and we're not sure where they went..." if they were ever there in the first place.

Then the convoy conveniently faded from coverage.