Bucha satellite images released

a reply to: svetlana84

Nah, didn't show any location when i opened your link, think you're safe.

originally posted by: Wookiep
2 members whom joined within 5 days of each other less than 2 months ago while commenting on only this topic really aggressively. That always makes my BS alarm go off, at least concerning threads like this. Reminds me of the old 9-11 threads.

Good eye, Brother!!

You could almost feel both of 'em choking up ... zero doubts in their minds who you were calling out.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Wookiep

Bigger picture, the site has been rather tumultulous over the past month as well.

I've noticed this as well. I'm no spring chicken here, and this isn't the first time, as I'm sure you know as well.

Your sentiments arent unique....or rare.

This legit warms my soul 😆. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Back in the day we would send u2u's about this sort of thing. But since the message button stopped lighting up, nobody uses that anymore. Take care!

a reply to: Wookiep

Youre right, weve seen this before.

The MO is remarkably similar.

There are also some interesting occurances across more popular sites that ill not delve into.

Afterall, ill be the first to admit that it could be connecting dots that dont exist.

Still, keeping an eye on it.

a reply to: BigfootNZ

Do the 500,000 dead Iraqi civilians, a result of an aggressive invasion by western powers, based on phony satellite imagery, qualify for the same justice that Ukrainians are now afforded?

Should Dubya and Blair be facing a war crimes tribunal?

If the answer to these questions is no then you're advocating for double standards based on nationality and showing a certain level of hypocrisy and inconsistency.

a reply to: Snarl

Who knew having a new account and being active was a problem. Wasn’t this site struggling not to long ago? You want it made more exclusive? I was having a jolly time watching ATS downgrade each other under other names on the isitdown website. ATS gets anymore exclusive and it’s back to everyone trying to figure out where to go.

I’ve been around as long as you. I was here for the debates. When you could get the Fighter title. ATS Live. Chilling in chat with Narcoleptic Buddha. Was here when Hefficide the bacon guy disappeared. Give me a break. I’m not a child, I don’t play internet games.

Plenty of people join this site monthly that have similar views. Really not that hard to imagine. Especially with as long as you’ve been here.

I just don’t live here. And it’s 20 times easier making a new account than remembering 10 years old emails and passwords. I’m 32/ I have no idea what password I would’ve used at 20.

I thank God for every moment I’m alive, all the suffering, all the pain just sweet caresses on my soul, I’m going to Heaven, and so is my Family and friends, away from this world of death, into the Kingdom of God in Heaven.

I want Putin to nuke the world and end it, so all these illuminati evil rotten people will be trapped like the rats that they are in their bunkers and all of us whom God has saved from destruction and death and hell, will join King Leonidas and his dog Helios, who’s eyes burn bright red in battle, St. Michael our Guardian Angel, will carry me to heaven to my Father who is waiting for me, and all the rage of hades I will unleash on the enemies of God, as I descend with Christ and his army, to get those responsible and dispense God’s Justice, as this is now the Day of Judgment, the world is so corrupt, it’s current system is unsustainable, debt based society is not good, being in debt is not good. It is bad to be in debt. War, Famine, Natural Catastrophes and Plagues, the seals of Revelation have been opened, and out pours God’s wrath and vengeance, as he allows Satan to Nuke every one on earth and make the atmosphere poisoned with radiation and debris that falls like snow across the globe killing all life, so his Son can glorify his Name, I am who I am, he said to Moses, to the Hebrews, he is El, God, to the muslims and their children he is Alla, the most beautiful and divine, and his His Holy Son, the Messiah, Jesus Christ is Coming, to me his name his Jesus, God. Satan has unified Nato under his lieutenant, Joe Biden, the excommunicated Abortionist and mass murderer, who feigns stupidity and ignorance, but behind closed doors is worshiped like Lucifer, amen.

Redemption is at Hand, and everyone on earth will see a great sign and Satan will have no power for 3 days of atonement and repentance and mercy and forgiveness, where you must choose, and to leave no doubt that wickedness and evil comes from mans heart, and their own free will, as even then, they will say it’s just a hologram, it’s aliens, it’s a trick by the Anti Christ, no you fools, it’s God giving you 3 days to chose a side, for the battle of Armegeddon is at hand, and Christ is Coming, and even then, many, many, many, many will chose sin, abortions, perversions, rainbow flags, power, money and continue to offend God, and seal their Judgement and be thrown into the lake of fire, with their father, that ancient serpent, who swore to destroy us all, and take our souls to hell with him.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: svetlana84

Google Maps

Fixed link for you.

Screenshot:

The street where the bodies were located at , according to NYT , doesn't seem to jive with google maps



Satellite images show bodies lay in Bucha for weeks


Mass graves as shelling continues in Ukraine

In the district center of Bucha, in the north-west of the Kyiv region, dead civilians have to be buried in black bags in a common grave near the Church of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called (Na Poli microdistrict)

This was announced on Sunday morning, March 13, 2022, by the chief physician of the neighboring city of Irpen, Andriy Levkivsky, Espresso.TV reports.

“And now about the unpleasant, 67 civilian men were buried on the territory of the city church in the city of Bucha. There were different ones, some were not even identified... You say there is no war?!", the director of the communal non-profit enterprise “Irpin City Center for Primary Health Care” said.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker
Satellite imagery shows they been there for weeks.

So ... who do we believe? The satellites showing the bodies had been there for weeks? Or, the 'eyewitness' translation that the Russians shot them (unprovoked mind you) as they were leaving? I've got a screenshot of it, but can't get uploads to work right now. Anyone can follow the link and see it @ 00:18 in the video.

Which is it? 'Cause one of 'em is a fuggin' liar.

They could have been Ukrainian guys who refused to fight in the war and the Ukrainian soldiers could have killed them as an example for anyone that didn't want to fight. I do not know what happened, only that most everything we are told about this war is not fully true from either side. Remember, all men above seventeen are supposed to stay and fight, but are not soldiers, their deaths are considered civilian deaths. These guys could have been killed in a gunfight too, survivors could have been bound and died also. The guns would be long gone, either the Russians would have taken them or the Ukrainian fighters. We do not know the whole story with this which sucks. I sure the hell do not believe the Ukrainian government.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: nugget1


UN investigators are on the ground now, are you accusing the UN of staging mannequins as corpses?

Were they on the ground when satellite images were taken, which is the subject that was being discussed?

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker
Satellite imagery shows they been there for weeks.

So ... who do we believe? The satellites showing the bodies had been there for weeks? Or, the 'eyewitness' translation that the Russians shot them (unprovoked mind you) as they were leaving? I've got a screenshot of it, but can't get uploads to work right now. Anyone can follow the link and see it @ 00:18 in the video.

Which is it? 'Cause one of 'em is a fuggin' liar.

They could have been Ukrainian guys who refused to fight in the war and the Ukrainian soldiers could have killed them as an example for anyone that didn't want to fight. I do not know what happened, only that most everything we are told about this war is not fully true from either side. Remember, all men above seventeen are supposed to stay and fight, but are not soldiers, their deaths are considered civilian deaths. These guys could have been killed in a gunfight too, survivors could have been bound and died also. The guns would be long gone, either the Russians would have taken them or the Ukrainian fighters. We do not know the whole story with this which sucks. I sure the hell do not believe the Ukrainian government.

That last sentence of your post I get this knee jerk reaction that makes me lean towards it meaning the person would take the Russian POV over other. I have to try and quell that.

Bottom line. Those are bodies. Someone is killing them. Ukraine needs financial and military aid now and in the future. Russia needs to sow panic and discord and fear to show it’s about its business. That it meant what it said about expanding NATO eastwards. Russia is not above jailing and disappearing people who don’t listen. Mutual hatred on both sides. Ever have the time listen to the recorded radio conversations between the two forces. It’s bad.

The best thing that can happen is as many organizations get in there and verify what’s plausible as fast as possible. Then again everyone of them is connected to a government entity in some way.

So at the end of the day it boils down to….do you believe the Ukrainians are knocking off own civilians? Is it the Russians? Russians dressing like Ukrainians? Ukrainians dressing like Russians?

We’ll never know and we’ll sit here and argue the next 20 years like we still do over 9/11 not a word wiser or making a real difference.

a reply to: PassiveSeeker

Am I just too drunk? Yes.

The one link has the images. The other one though! I swear doesn't. Maybe it does. My point is, Who cares? Why should we care?

Is that image from space proof enough to start WWIII for you? if so, I wonder why.

I'm starting to think this whole conflict is a bit like covid, If you stop paying attention to it.. It will go away.

I don't want to be that guy, but are we sure these images aren't from a video game? Look a bit like CIV5 or something.

Russians are notorious for killing civilians, according to National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan. He told reporters today that what happened in Bucha is what Russians have done over many decades. Killing, raping, torturing, etc..

He also pointed out the difference between "War Crimes" and "Genocide". (The media is freely throwing around "genocide" without understanding its meaning.)

And, Mr. Sullivan described the process of determining if War Crimes were committed. It's a 4-pronged investigative process that involves several nations conducting and coordinating the investigation and findings. Sounds like something that will take many months to complete.

It was a very informative Monday press briefing. Here it is for those who want to be brought up-to-date. Sullivan is the first 32 minutes. Jen Psaki Q&A with reporters is the remainder. (From Mon 4/4/2022)

a reply to: MockusRubot

No it is t. Posted here to keep in the apparent recent tradition of anything Russian and Ukraine to be posted here.

None of this should’ve ever happened.

A bunch of American politicians were against NATO eastward expansion. www.nytimes.com...

So was a very vocal, prominent member of British government. Made a famous speech warning of this if we pushed eastward. He was ignored. I can’t remember his name so can’t provide a link.

Now I don’t want it to, but will it? Who knows.

I still stand by my personal opinion that countries should be able to choose trade and military treaties they want without fear of consequences.

a reply to: provocateur

Its interesting that the UK called off what Russiians asked a hearing over Bucha at the UN earlier today.

a reply to: PassiveSeeker

A bunch of American politicians were against NATO eastward expansion.

Not just former US polticans but other sane polticans they knew that Russia would react. Some here still dont understand nor get that.

How would US govt react if the Mexicans tried taking back their territories again?

a reply to: nugget1


I don't know the answer to the first question, Red Cross said they were on the way yesterday but russians kidnapped a different Red Cross team so I don't know if they cancelled their plans. The UN has said investigators are there collecting evidence, they were in Kiev long before the russians were beaten back to investigate the russian vacuum and cluster bombing of civilians.

a reply to: carewemust

Russians have done over many decades. Killing, raping, torturing, etc

I suppose the US has forgotten their little secret rape crime that their US forces committed agaisnt Japanese women recently in the past few years from now.

The Hypocrisy that Jack is quite amusing.
AFGHANISTAN: Afghan Girl Raped, Killed by US Troops


US soldiers accused of raping 100 colleagues

They tried to cover up those. Until the reports came out. The hypocrisy is quite amusing.
Bombing civilian infrastructures is an US thing.

a reply to: vNex92


Accusations by enemies.

VERY few were confirmed in any way and all of those criminals were severely punished.

Pretty weak propaganda effort.

originally posted by: svetlana84
This is getting confusing. BBC wrote on 14th march that the Ukrainians are digging Mass graves. in Mariupol and Bucha.

Now it‘s the russians?
And as somebody aroeady mentionend: eyewitness report tell again another story. That civilians have been killed when the russians retreated.

www.bbc.com...

Good Find! which makes you ask more questions than answers!

That civilians have been killed when the russians retreated.

If the Russians had retreated that means its impossible that Russians killed them if they retreating.

They quickly jump to the accusations because they are desperate for a no fly zone and are looking for any excuses to get it.