Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

Nearly 10 million Ukrainians fled Ukraine for the West to have a better life. It appears Ukraine's population has fallen below 35 million by now. Down from nearly 52 million when the USSR broke up in 1991.

More than 9.5 million border crossings from Ukraine since invasion: UN agency

21 July Update

Key Takeaways

* The current Russian operational tempo is not markedly different from the pace of Russian offensive operations during the official Russian operational pause, and Russian forces are unlikely to be able to take significant ground in the coming weeks.

* Russia has likely used as much as 55-60% of its high-precision weaponry reserve.

* Russian forces continued limited ground attacks to the east of Siversk and south of Bakhmut.

* Russian forces conducted an unsuccessful ground attack north of Kharkiv City.

* Russian forces conducted a limited ground attack in Kherson Oblast.

* Russian forces may be storing equipment in Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant facilities to protect it against Ukrainian strikes.

* Russia’s Murmansk Oblast is reportedly forming a volunteer battalion.

More at URL above.

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originally posted by: yongpengsuntastaufen
Nearly 10 million Ukrainians fled Ukraine for the West to have a better life. It appears Ukraine's population has fallen below 35 million by now. Down from nearly 52 million when the USSR broke up in 1991.

More than 9.5 million border crossings from Ukraine since invasion: UN agency

Exactly, it's the same old Russian policy of shift the populations westwards for some bizarre endgame

Looks like the Russian invaders are stripping the occupied territories of anything they can get their hands on. They did exactly the same when occupying Germany in the 40's and 50's. I guess old habits are difficult to kick...................

"Russia stealing UK-bound steel, Ukrainian boss says"

www.echo-news.co.uk...

"Russia is looting steel bound for the UK and the European Union, the head of Ukraine’s largest steel company has said.

Raw and finished steel worth 600 million US dollars (£501 million) left behind in the Azovstal mill and nearby port in the brutalised city of Mariupol was bound for UK customers, but is now being transported to Russia and partly sold on to Asia and Africa, according to Metinvest chief executive Yuriy Ryzhenkov.

He told the BBC: “What they’re doing with this steel is basically looting."

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

They could have used that steel in the rebuilding of the "liberated" area's in the Donbass region.

If they sell it to the Chinese or Africa makes me wonder how much they really care about the region.

It is fascinating how many peoples with grudges one can find in central Asia ...

We know the enemy’s positions, where Russian military bases are," spokesman for the Sheikh Mansur Battalion, Islam Belokiev, said in a video message obtained by Fox News Digital this week while announcing a plan to once again fight for Chechen independence. "We have divided the Chechen Republic of Icheriya into three fronts and 16 sectors.

These guys don't care for Putin's Chechen pal ... at all. Putin wants to open a second front in this war, but it may happen where he doesn't want one.

Linky

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a reply to: TheGreazel

I hear they're bringing in North Korean laborers to rebuild the Donbas.

Dollars to Donuts most won't go home and will prefer to remain in eastern Europe.

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originally posted by: TheGreazel
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

They could have used that steel in the rebuilding of the "liberated" area's in the Donbass region.

If they sell it to the Chinese or Africa makes me wonder how much they really care about the region.

Exactly they should have used the materials locally yet the whole 'special operation' looks like it's being conducted like a smash and grab robbery.

Back in the day my grandfather bless his soul fought his way through Netherland and Germany and ended up stationed in Berlin. With the Russians.

The things he used to tell me about those Russians. Too much for the internet. Yet the theft he talked about was state sponsored. He said they took everything they could take, be it a whole factory down to a park bench. They stole everything that could be transported on railway carriages. Same going on today in Ukraine. Total theft.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Royal Navy train Ukrainian forces.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Japanese Pows captured first in the battles in Manchuria (1939) and at the end of WWI when Soviets invaded Japanese held territory

Many of these POW were used as laborers, often for years after the war ended

Here is account of Japanese Pow who walked into Japanese embassy in Kiev 60 years after war - He had been captured in 1945 on Sakhalin

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Japanese Pows captured first in the battles in Manchuria (1939) and at the end of WWI when Soviets invaded Japanese held territory

Many of these POW were used as laborers, often for years after the war ended

Here is account of Japanese Pow who walked into Japanese embassy in Kiev 60 years after war - He had been captured in 1945 on Sakhalin

www.youtube.com...

I remember that Japanese guy giving up back in 74 wow time sure does fly

22 July Update

Key Takeaways

* The United States announced an additional $270 million security package for Ukraine.

* Ukrainian officials reiterated that they are employing monitoring mechanisms to track and account for the delivery of Western weapons to Ukrainian frontlines.

* Russian forces conducted ground attacks east of Siversk and to the east and south of Bakhmut.

* Russian forces unsuccessfully attempted to advance northwest of Donetsk City.

* Ukrainian forces conducted limited positional battles north of Kharkiv City.

* Russian forces conducted localized ground attacks near the Kherson-Mykolaiv Oblast border.

* Head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov announced that the newly-formed Chechen “West-Akhmat” battalion will not be immediately deployed into Ukraine and will stay in Chechnya.

* Head of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Denis Pushilin signed a cooperation agreement with the occupation head of Kharkiv Oblast, indicating that the Kremlin intends to integrate Kharkiv Oblast into the Russian Federation.

More at URL above.

Wonder if Kadyrov is getting nervous about the political situation back home. Sending good Muslim boys to die in the wars of the Kafir can't be popular among many Chechens.

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Wonder if Kadyrov is getting nervous about the political situation back home. Sending good Muslim boys to die in the wars of the Kafir can't be popular among many Chechens.

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a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Does that mean they dont get the 72 virgins promised ....??

originally posted by: yongpengsuntastaufen
Nearly 10 million Ukrainians fled Ukraine for the West to have a better life. It appears Ukraine's population has fallen below 35 million by now. Down from nearly 52 million when the USSR broke up in 1991.

More than 9.5 million border crossings from Ukraine since invasion: UN agency

Yes there have been 9.5 million women and children leaving Ukraine, but you forgot to allow for border crossings back into Ukraine. Millions of those refugees have returned to homes outside the war-torn regions, so don't forget to consider border crossings back into Ukraine.

Why millions of Ukrainian refugees are coming home

All told, more than 9 million people have left Ukraine since the start of the war, according to U.N. figures. Almost all the refugees have been women, children or the elderly as the Ukrainian government continues to restrict travel for men between the ages of 18 and 60...

As of this week, roughly 2.6 million people have crossed into Ukraine from Poland against the 4.6 million who went in the other direction following the start of the Russian assault.

Grid spoke to several refugees who have chosen to return in recent months, all of whom pointed to a central motivation familiar to people everywhere: the yearning to be home. The shift in the war — from central Ukraine to the eastern provinces — has helped by providing them a chance to retrace their steps with a better chance at safety.

Russia - Ethnic cleansing in the places they occupy. Violence and mayhem to force people to leave. Why stay when your town has been levelled? Many Ukrainian citizens deported to Russia and being held "detention centres", or modern day concentration camps.

Russian ethnic cleansing and "detention centres"

Since russia’s war of aggression in Ukraine began, hundreds of thousands of people have been forcibly deported to Russia by occupying forces.

Russians - Those who have the skills, resources or opportunity are fleeing Russia. Myriad sources put the outward migration of c. 300,000 Russian nationals by July.

originally posted by: firerescue

Wonder if Kadyrov is getting nervous about the political situation back home. Sending good Muslim boys to die in the wars of the Kafir can't be popular among many Chechens.

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a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Does that mean they dont get the 72 virgins promised ....??

Oh you can guarantee the Chechen war will heat up again as many just see that as occupied territory. Many have not forgotten what Russian troops did to their people and fight for Ukraine because of it.


www.spokesman.com...

a reply to: paraphi

This is why Russia's neighbors get so nervous they have a tendency to take areas by force then move out the population there and replace them with Russian citizens. It all comes down to a land grab they want the resources in Ukraine and believe they are somehow entitled to them because Ukraine really is not a country in their eyes. They see it as a break-away province from the former Soviet Union.

Sadly Russia is stuck in the 40s and not progressed with the rest of the world. They still glorify world war 2 and see everything through that lens. From their fighting doctrine to foreign policy it's like watching Hitler all over again. Putin is truly modeling himself off Hitler from how he took power through a false flag operation and the destruction of his neighbors. Hell he's even started concentration camps for Ukrainians sounds very familiar. Let's just hope it doesn't require a word war to remove Putin maybe he will just skip to the suicide part.