Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

Not exactly on topic, but not enough of a topic to start it's own thread...

I keep reading about the Russians stealing Ukrainian grain and shipping it off for sale. My question is, why doesn't Interpol confiscate the ships when they arrive in ports and then return the grain to ukranian merchants? They just let the grain go from port to port looking for a buyer. Seems odd to know something has been stolen, know its current location and, yet, do nothing about it.

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
Not exactly on topic, but not enough of a topic to start it's own thread...

I keep reading about the Russians stealing Ukrainian grain and shipping it off for sale. My question is, why doesn't Interpol confiscate the ships when they arrive in ports and then return the grain to ukranian merchants? They just let the grain go from port to port looking for a buyer. Seems odd to know something has been stolen, know its current location and, yet, do nothing about it.

They were all sent directly to china, where Interpol has no authority, and were protected by russian warships the entire way.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Do they have authority in international waters? Also, I could swear that russia tried to sell the first boat load to several other countries before settling on china... could be wrong on that though.

a reply to: WeDemBoyz


There were some reports that they tried but everyone except china refused to let the stolen ships enter their harbors with stolen corn.

Nobody wanted to fight the russian navy over ships full of corn, ships that would have been the first ones sunk in that battle, thus removing massive amounts of food from the planet's humans.

The U.S. could pretty quickly destroy the entire russian navy, but we had no way to either retrieve the corn (russia would sink those ships first) or ensure that the putin madman wouldn't hurl nukes after we sunk his navy.

It isn't right, but it was probably the best decision considering the circumstances.

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Do they have authority in international waters? Also, I could swear that russia tried to sell the first boat load to several other countries before settling on china... could be wrong on that though.

There is currently one ship, Matros Pozynich, believed to be anchoring at the Syrian coast, as reported by AP news agency. On a former trip, the same ship had been turned away by Egypt and Lebanon before unloading in Syria as well.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: WeDemBoyz


Nobody wanted to fight the russian navy over ships full of corn, ships that would have been the first ones sunk in that battle, thus removing massive amounts of food from the planet's humans.

It wouldn't be possible for Russia to transport all the nicked ukrainian grain to China by land. By sea, they would need to cross the Isthmus at Istanbul into the Mediterranean. This passage is, however, blocked by Turkey for russian warships, so an escort of warships all the way won't be possible.
This is, probably, also the reason, why they try to sell the grain to eastern mediterranean countries of which Syria might be a good choice - because due to their influence there, they can easily make Syria buy the corn "for special price" or else. :-)

originally posted by: carport

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Do they have authority in international waters? Also, I could swear that russia tried to sell the first boat load to several other countries before settling on china... could be wrong on that though.

There is currently one ship, Matros Pozynich, believed to be anchoring at the Syrian coast, as reported by AP news agency. On a former trip, the same ship had been turned away by Egypt and Lebanon before unloading in Syria as well.

I wasn't aware any had unloaded in Syria.

Makes sense though since the country is controlled by russia, and the russian navy controls several ports in the area (one large one).



Hopefully, the 'administration' is keeping track of everything russia stole so we can reduce the previously contracted food shipments to ccp by the same amount, regardless of where russia unloaded their stolen goods.

a reply to: carport


Agreed.

I just wasn't aware that any had unloaded in Syria.



Response should still be the same though, simply reduce our food shipments to china by the same amount russia stole from Ukraine and sell china's food to the countries that had planned to purchase the food that russia stole from Ukraine.

The ship in Syria first tried to sell to Egypt. When it was found that it was Ukrainian grain Egypt kicked the ship out of their waters, leaving Syria to take the ship.

As for Interpol its more of an umbrella organization. They dont have their own police force. Instead the organizations purpose is to link police from all member states to facilitate cooperation. As for the ship any nation could detain the ship with their police / federal law enforcement and a coast guard / military.

a reply to: Xcathdra


Kudos to Egypt, perhaps they really are making an effort to rejoin the civilized world.

British warships could be sent in to protect freighters carrying crucial Ukrainian grain and break Putin's blockade of Black Sea ports that is threatening to cause a world food crisis

Britain is co-ordinating with its allies on a potential plan to send warships to the Black Sea port of Odesa to offer a protective escort to ships exporting Ukrainian grain.

Lithuanian foreign minister Gabrielius Landsbergis said yesterday he had discussed the creation of such a 'protective corridor' from Odesa with British foreign secretary Liz Truss.

He also said a 'coalition of the willing', made up of NATO countries and other nations reliant on the grain such as Egypt, may be willing to commit military resources to bolster the protection and avert widespread food shortages.

The plan would see allied navies clear the area around the southern port of Russian mines before protecting freight ships carrying the vital produce from Putin's warships according to The Times.

Long-range missiles will also be deployed to deter any Russian attempts to sabotage the corridor.

click link for article

a reply to: Xcathdra

They cannot enter the Black Sea because Turkey blocks Bosporous.

a reply to: fuzz4262

Turkey blocked the straights to Russian military vessels that are not home ported in the Black Sea.

Confirmation - Who is Kanamat Botashev? Russia's Highest Ranking Airforce Commander Killed

Atop Russian air force commander has reportedly been killed in the Ukraine war, delivering another blow to Vladimir Putin's invasion.

Information about the reported shooting down of retired Russian Air Force Major General Kanamat Botashev was confirmed to BBC Russian by three of his former subordinates.

On Sunday, May 22, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said a Russian Sukhoi (SU-25) attack aircraft was shot down over the Luhansk region and that the pilot did not have time to eject.

Reports soon appeared on Russian Telegram channels that Botashev was the pilot, which were backed up by the accounts of his former colleagues, whom the BBC said wanted to keep their identities anonymous. Newsweek has contacted the Russian defense ministry.

Botashev is the highest-ranking Russian pilot whose death has been reported, according to the BBC. The outlet noted that based on open sources, Russia has lost at least 31 military pilots in the war. It comes amid Western intelligence assessments that Russia has not gained air supremacy since the war started on February 24.

click link for article

a reply to: fuzz4262

turkey will not fire on NATO vessels.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I wonder why the media would call a major general their "highest ranking air force commander".

Not to mention he was retired. Sounds like was flying for Wagner. The SU-25 is an aged design as well.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I think they mean he is the highest ranking general for the air force who was killed. All other generals are land based / sea based.

Russia is apparently getting desperate for bodies to throw into Ukraine.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Russia is apparently getting desperate for bodies to throw into Ukraine.

That may be somewhat alleviated by them concentrating in the Donbas. If we take 75,000 dead and wounded, they still have over 100,000 troops to employ. (Their fighting spirit is a different question).

Cuts both ways to a point. The Ukrainians can also mass more men against the Russian troops in Donbas, but have to keep their borders screened so they don't get sucker punched by another part of the Russian army.

I wonder about their advances in Donbas. Overwhelming fire support?

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Al Russia has been doing in the East is using artillery to destroy cities so they can enter them when Ukraine pulls (because there is nothing left to defend).

The new artillery that Ukraine got is putting pressure on the Russians. Secured supply lines for Russia are no longer secure as they fall within ranger of the Howitzers.

However if Russia cant get a hold of their manpower issues its only a matter of time before Russia is pushed out of Ukraine.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Al Russia has been doing in the East is using artillery to destroy cities so they can enter them when Ukraine pulls (because there is nothing left to defend).

Ethnic cleansing by destroying cities, towns and villages, so everyone is forced to leave. Such a hollow victory, if they end up winning. The Lords of the ruins.

Russia - forcing people to live elsewhere for a hundred years.