New And Revised UFO Quote Directory.

a reply to: karl 12

nice response.

Actually Karl,

there are hundreds if not thousands of cases in the study
of the paranormal, where 'dead people show up' quite regularly
as part of the process. 'UFOs' are just another part of the
'paranormal' (misunderstood laws of physics) when they aren't
misperception or fraud.

That chapter of the book I"m working on with my writing partner
is largely about how paranormal phenomenon work, the 'land
of the dead' and the relationship with theoretical physics.

if you haven't personally had a high strangeness encounter,
studied yoga for half your life, or ohter qualifying experience
it will sounds like bull#. Academically sourced bull#,
but bull#.

Love your pie chart Karl!

There's still so much that I do not know.

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

This subject really does take you everywhere doesn't it?

Am glad I keep this handy pie chart for emergencies.

Venn

That Venn pie reminds me of this famous quote:

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know."
― Donald Rumsfeld

YES, this subject does take you above & beyond, literally. I just wish the money train would crash 'n burn so real science can get back to work.

“The only new thing in this world is the history you don’t know.”
— President Harry S. Truman

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

if you haven't personally had a high strangeness encounter, studied yoga for half your life, or ohter qualifying experience it will sounds like bull#. Academically sourced bull#, but bull#.

Well have had two freaky UFO sightings (and lots of synchronicity) but nothing to write home about Kev.

Agree there's some truly insightful content in that Nick Cook interview and am pretty open to considering most avenues regarding origin (if the speculation sounds completely bizarre it's because the subject is completely bizarre).

Recently reread Joshua Cutchin's book and have to say it's a pretty awesome one - also thought Graham made some fair points below about 'remarkable uniformity' and 'astonishing similarity'.

• "To cut a long story short I would say that the beings that shamans call spirits; the beings that medieval Europeans called faeries and elves and the beings that modern Americans call aliens are all the same beings."

Graham Hancock.

Video / Thread

a reply to: karl 12

Cutchin is a treasure.

I could never have completed all my UFO study and then
attracted an internationally famous co-author to help
me write about it, if it hadn't have been for Joshha Cutchin

I was missing ONE critial thing, that when it beame obvious
lead to a cascade that sewed it all together.

I highly recommend all of Joshua's books.

Kev

Just passing on...

Before Twitter/Facebook, some UFO chat took place on Usenet (particularly in the 1990s and early 2000s). Messages on relevant newsgroups totalled in the hundreds of thousands. Frankly I was never a fan, but I've uploaded a sample of 300,000+ pages.
@Isaac Koi

Isaac Koi - New Uploads

originally posted by: XtheMadnessNow

YES, this subject does take you above & beyond, literally. I just wish the money train would crash 'n burn so real science can get back to work.

If it's purely objective (and non politicised) science then couldn't agree more mate.



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After looking at the quotes in the 'academic' section about supposedly scientific studies like Robertson and Condon then would say we also need to lose the 'influence' of military intelligence communities intent on bull#ting the public.

originally posted by: XtheMadnessNow

“The only new thing in this world is the history you don’t know.”

— President Harry S. Truman

Never heard that one before - great quote!

Think this is one of my favourites - it's attributed to Herbert Spencer but may originally be from William Paley.

• "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

Herbert Spencer, British philosopher

a reply to: karl 12

That Herbert Spencer is a great quote.

What I would hope to see, is a bit of a healing happening
between 'creative thought' and 'rational thought'.

The greats of physics (and science) all had it..

UFOlology and the paranormal need that same mixture
of intellectual creative honesty and rational rigor.

Kev

a reply to: karl 12

Some great quotes, especially Heinlein's. Those guys must be rolling in their graves based on today's circus show.

Yes, regards to the mil-intel influence it has reached the exosphere. I may have something new to post in that thread after I refresh my reading.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

I could never have completed all my UFO study and thenattracted an internationally famous co-author to helpme write about it, if it hadn't have been for Joshha Cutchin

Let me know when it's in the bookshops Kev, would be interested in reading that.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

What I would hope to see, is a bit of a healing happening between 'creative thought' and 'rational thought'.

Could not agree more about the 'intellectual creative honesty and rational rigor' although looks to me like mainstream science is going through some sort of reverse renaissance these days Kev.

Can't remember when 'blind trust' and 'inability to question' actually became parts of the scientific method but would say faith in the impartiality of the subject is at an all time low (and you can't have 'free enquiry' without free enquiry).

It's probably being hijacked by the same bankster funded NGO/Intel complex that have set their sights on the UFO subject.

originally posted by: XtheMadnessNow

Some great quotes, especially Heinlein's. Those guys must be rolling in their graves based on today's circus show.

Ha I bet they are mate - as well as Orwell, Huxley, Kafka, Solzhenitsyn etc..

Regarding the corporate media circus AATIP sideshow also found it extremely curious why NORAD and 'OPREP 3' hardly ever got a mention as apparently..

• "NORAD has been the retrieval agency for all of the UFO documentation made under JANAP 146(E)."

John Greenewald Junior - UFO Document archivist.

Video: 14:50

a reply to: karl 12

"No interest" - LOL. It's more like The Project Bluebook or the public version never ended and has been locked in Manhattan secrecy under Project Redbook for decades. Given the past several years I'd say we had & have a "Broken Arrow" situation within our mil/IC with so many fanciful layers of lies that not even the counter-intel guys (like Lue) know what the truth is, and I'm betting many don't even care. Just keep prolonging the charade until the vast majority believe the lie.

Yep, whenever stuff like this gets a mention the so-called truth seeker networks, financed by 3rd parties ensure it gets no exposure.

I think one has to go back to the late 40s and submerse oneself into all the documentation & archived footage, along with certain books and work your way forward to present to really understand what is going on. There will be no real new empirical disclosure in this age (at least this decade) from our illustrious bureaucratic intel community, imo.

I'm just a novice (not even a amateur) on this vast broad topic so my views may be totally off the mark.

From the Steele dossier to UAP, the natsec bloat keeps feeding this guy talking points and he repeats them all without a second thought or moment of self-reflection.

What a crew...🙄🤡


@Shifty Schiff | @Luefology | @Chris Mellon - "Transparency" that we hear alot is like oil & water.

Always a blast to browse Reddit's UFO sections during times like these and watching anyone pointing out Elizondo was "former" military counter-intelligence get downvoted to hell.

Lue Elizondo resurrected as GQ Hero, book contract, movie bio, that's the way the CIA rolls.
gqheroes.com...

Elizondo Interview (2021)

Before you were approached to be part of AATIP, you were a counterintelligence special agent hunting terrorists and drug traffickers. Why did they approach you?

I have no idea. I think probably because I wasn’t prone to any flights of fancy. I wasn’t a particular fan of science fiction. I do have some background in advanced aerospace technology. When I was a young special agent, I did “tech protect” [counterintelligence work to stop US technology from falling into enemy hands] of advanced avionics and my background was a scientist. At university, I had three majors: microbiology, immunology and parasitology.

Interesting. I consider most of them in this UAP business as parasites. Note many of the TTSA clowns have a medical background which I find extremely interesting given the Covid assault on humanity.

According to DarkJournalist, X-Protect is in fact "tech protect"...X-Protect is Covert Intelligence/Aerospace Group that Controls the UFO File. Freelance journalist Leslie Kean is part of the UFO Lue Op.

Congress "ASRO": Anomaly Surveillance and Resolution Office.

Pentagon's new office "AOIMSG": Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group, will ensure no truths leak out to the public.

Neocon odd couples:
Lue Elizondo (counter-intel/interrogater) & Chris Mellon, the ivy league intel guy.
Gillibrand & Rubio. Her stepmother was part of a sex trafficking cult and also happens to be her cousin, so good luck.
Avi Loeb: who comes out of the Talpiot program, Israel's CIA version. In July 2021, Loeb became head of the new project: "The Galileo Project: "Daring to Look Through New Telescopes". The project was inspired by the detection of ʻOumuamua and by release of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence report on UAP.

Are the US intel agencies working with an off-world group? Seems to be an awful lot going on up in 'space' that we don't know about, and it's not aliens. NASA theologians: what say you?

a reply to: XtheMadnessNow

The JPL and Silicon valley were largely founded by an offshoot
Theosophy cult and influenced by what became Scientology..

It's anybody's guess what screwball theories, other than
the weaponization of space, (with nukes too) is their
actual agenda.

a reply to: XtheMadnessNow


Mighty fine post there my friend and was completely unaware of some of that info - know I've posted it before but alarm bells started going off for me when they started pushing Lue onto schoolkids via lockdown remote 'homeschooling'.

ATS member Pigsy once coined the term 'The Great Ufological Reset' and that appears to be exactly what they're attempting to do.

originally posted by: XtheMadnessNow

I think one has to go back to the late 40s and submerse oneself into all the documentation & archived footage, along with certain books and work your way forward to present to really understand what is going on.

Mate if I had to pick one book then it would be this one as it deals solely with internal Gov Intel documentation on the subject.

The overall picture completely contradicts the BS line they were spoon feeding the public and it's a great shame that people with strong opinions on the UFO subject have not (or refuse to) read it.

• "The almost-600 page book is well-grounded with nearly 1,000 citations from government documents and other primary sources so it is 'bullet proof'. There is virtually nothing speculative in it. We document the response of governments from the 1940s forward to events they took quite seriously - and which readers, judging on the evidence and data, will take seriously as well.

A short op-ed cannot do justice to the complex narrative, but I can state a few facts."



• Any other domain of inquiry with hundreds of well-documented events would be considered worthy of scientific and historical investigation.


• Well-executed policies carried out with secrecy do not constitute 'a conspiracy', and we are not 'conspiracy theorists', a term used to attack investigators of unpopular subjects. Members of the military and intelligence community, from the early 1950s on, decided to learn as much as they could about UFOs - which they decided did not constitute a direct threat to national security - while at the same time playing down and dismissing reports from the public. The reports themselves were considered to be the primary threat by the CIA.


• The data illuminates a phenomenon that is global, persistent and sufficiently similar in small details to invite taxonomic classification as to vehicle types, the physics of force fields that power the objects and ionize the air around them, producing characteristic colors in relationship to speed and power, and diverse kinds of robotic or sentient beings associated with the objects.


• It is an astonishing sociological and psychological phenomenon that throughout the 20th century, despite reports by credible observers, corroborated on multiple radar sets on the ground and in jets, resulted not in public investigation but in an inability to get our minds around the mere possibility. Instead the subject is literally 'unthinkable'.


• One reason it is 'unthinkable' is the effective use of ridicule, the mocking of people who made reports or took the subject seriously, and a long silence from official authoritative voices in the face of credible testimony. When I delivered a speech and served on a panel recently at the National Security Agency, I was reminded by a veteran analyst that "the three legs of cover and deception are illusion, misdirection and ridicule. But the greatest of these is ridicule"— which discredits the person, not the testimony, and the testimony I have heard has come from military and civilian pilots, astronauts, even the intelligence head of a foreign military force. "This is what I saw, and I know what I saw" is what I am told, corroborating the statement in 1947 by Lt. Gen. Nathan Twining that "The phenomena is something real and not visionary or fictitious."



"So I'm out of the closet on a subject. As an older man with a solid track record of delivering insights into likely futures that have pretty much worked out over the years, a man who has spoken for security conferences all over the world (including NSA, the FBI, the Secret Service, the U.S. Department of the Treasury, the Pentagon, etc.), discussing the impact of new technologies, I can say without embarrassment that documented data supports the contention that many historical reports show exactly what they seem to show - anomalous vehicular traffic demonstrating aerodynamic capabilities and propulsion systems beyond the range of our own technology."

Richard Thieme. 

Link

Certainly looks like very early on the CIA were taking baseline pattern analysis and hiring scientists to 'attack the flying saucer problem' (the AEC also had a pretty curious involvement).

As the posted documents on page 2 show the agency were acutely aware of
unexplained objects traveling at high speeds in the vicinity of major US defense installations 'of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles'.

They also initiated 'a worldwide reporting system' and ordered major Air Force bases to make UFO interceptions whilst at the same time brainwashing the public into believing UFOs were a nonsense issue (the 'creation of the correctness of public opinion').

Also found it curious that very early on Sandia National Labs in New Mexico experienced (and continued to experience) some extremely strange UFO activity and the Lab's twenty year veteran 'Public Relations Specialist' just happened to be Kendrick Frazier (Executive Editor of the 'Skeptical Inquirer' UFO debunking rag).

originally posted by: XtheMadnessNow

I'm just a novice (not even a amateur) on this vast broad topic so my views may be totally off the mark.

Think we're all in the same boat together when it comes to this subject but we certainly share many similar opinions and hats off to you for some sterling research - especially regarding aspects such as 'The Cosmos Club'.

If I was head moderator of this forum, I'd pin this book:

The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community

to the top.

it is just a piece of the puzzle, but it's a very important piece.

Another very important concept, is that according to some anyway,
'UFOs' have nothing whatsoever to do with technology or even with
'alien life' except in the most tenuous sense.

I've not seen anyone do a credible job of writing such a book however.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

The JPL and Silicon valley were largely founded by an offshoot Theosophy cult and influenced by what became Scientology..

Those Theosophy cults really do seem to pop up everywhere Kev (likewise the subject of 'eugenics').

Do remember reading that the co-founder of JPL was chanting Aleister Crowley’s 'Hymn to Pan' before every test rocket launch and for what it's worth thought there were some revealing factoids in this film about the MIC roots of Silicon Valley.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community

Haven't read that one yet Kev but am a fan of Brewer's earlier work - did find some UFO Intel connections conspicuous by their absence though.

Am sure a lot of 'simulation' work does go on (despite the logistics) and CIA Hollyweird really has been ramping up its promotion of the 'ETH grey' meme over the last few years - looked into many different global occupant reports a while back but didn't seem to find many 'greys'.

Would say another good book to understand the last few decades is Terry Hansen's 'The Missing Times' as it covers UFOs, CIA deception strategies, precision propaganda and the cultivation of 'pseudo environments'.

Thought Jack Brewer was discussing Terry's work below in regards to 'debunkers' but it turned out to be another Hansen (George).

• "The stubborn debunkers conduct a different, but nonetheless detrimental, brand of bait and switch. They often try to lead newcomers to believe they promote skepticism and rationality when, in actuality, they can be among the most opinionated, dogmatic demographics one might ever encounter. Healthy skepticism is a very good thing - I would confidently say entirely necessary - but it is nowhere to be found among stubborn debunkers and despite their claims to the contrary.

They make fun of people who hold ideas and beliefs different than their own, employ sarcasm as a preferred mode of expressing themselves, and, by and large, do not even conduct research – they just criticize and make light of others who do, unless it happens to support their preferred perspective. They virtually never address a topic of which they are unwilling to offer speculative conclusions, and they fail miserably at asking the right, productive questions.

In his 1992 paper, 'CSICOP and the Skeptics: An Overview', writer/researcher George P. Hansen observed that facets of the organized skeptical movement opted to employ an extended public relations campaign rather than conduct research. "These activities display more parallels with political campaigns than with scientific endeavors," Hansen wrote..

Stubborn debunkers typically attempt to minimize reported experiences of high strangeness or conspiratorial implications by employing any number of explanations that might indeed be applicable in some circumstances, but do not necessarily apply to a case at hand. While the burden of proof indeed falls upon one asserting a claim, the fact of the matter is that a more discerning group of experiencers and researchers do not assert claims, but simply question. The bottom line - again - is that people of higher intelligence and emotional availability don't want other people trying to tell them what happened to them who have no idea and don't even know they don't. Same as with the unquestioning believers. Whether one's field of interest includes psychic phenomena, entities, the intelligence community or most anything else, they should prefer to allow facts lead them to conclusions, not lobbying techniques."

Jack Brewer.

Don't know if you've seen this interview but thought it may be of interest - he mentions how there's now around ten theories to UFO occupant origin and they may all contain some elements of truth.

a reply to: karl 12

you write some excellent posts, sir!

However I would say, that humans first need to understand
what they ultimately are, before it even makes sense to
theorize about 'aliens'. I know a lot of folks who think
those (theoretical) 'aliens' are aspects of us.

As I'm sure you know, the UAP Hearings kick off in Congress today. So, while that fracas party is going on you might be interested in Assistant Editor for Diabolique Magazine is kicking off his own disclosure journey, with the first in a three-part series on a 1980s UFO-themed TV special, UFO Cover-Up? Live! 🛸👽

But an air of mystery complicated the production. The show's producer ran through crew members, switched focus from an expose to a schlocky talk show midway through, and brought on someone in the intelligence community. What happened? Read on in part one.

The Cover-Up Behind UFO Cover-Up?

Flashback to UFO Cover-up? Live! [Oct. 14, 1988]



The UFO disillusioned disclosure Op is directly connected to the great reset/Mars origin mythos/Elon Musk/transhumanism agenda, imo. It's complicated & another deep rabbit hole. Difficult to wrap your head around I know, but all the signs are in plain sight.

originally posted by: XtheMadnessNow

As I'm sure you know, the UAP Hearings kick off in Congress today.

Misdirection for this maybe?

originally posted by: XtheMadnessNow

Flashback to UFO Cover-up? Live! [Oct. 14, 1988]

Mate that is one truly bizarre (and truly cringeworthy) chapter in UFO TV history - it also contains this immortal line from Jim Oberg.

• "I suggest people go out and buy strawberry ice cream - if it's all gone maybe the UFO guy will go away."

Jim Oberg.

Found it interesting that Jim was stationed at Kirtland AFB as it turns out 'Falcon' was actually UFO disinfo operative Richard Doty who was also working out of Kirtland AFB (standing in for his boss Harry Rositzke).

Also looks like ‘Condor’ was former USAF Captain Robert Collins who was also stationed at Kirtland Air Force Base.

Have asked Jim if he ever had any thoughts on this radar visual UFO from Kirtland AFB but never got a response.

originally posted by: XtheMadnessNow

Difficult to wrap your head around I know, but all the signs are in plain sight.

They're even advertising it in the New York Post.

Wernher von Braun wrote a 1952 novel in which man named 'Elon' colonized Mars.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

However I would say, that humans first need to understand what they ultimately are..

Fair point Kev and thanks for the kind words - recently saw this funny video but think there's a lot more to us than that.

Definitely some interesting content on Mishlove's new programme and thought the one about poltergeists was well worth a watch (although I don't subscribe to the guests views).

Also recently came across the 1960's Sauchie.case and that really is a freaky one.

a reply to: karl 12

There!

You went and did it!

The most accurate video about humans that
iv'e ever seen.

Kev

PS: But i've seen hints of 'more'.. a lot of people
have. We gotta try..

a reply to: karl 12

the book i'm partnering on has a lot to say about 'poltergeists'.
I don't tend to agree with people on that subject either.