New And Revised UFO Quote Directory.

a reply to: karl 12

JV was amazing a few decades back.

Just a semi-confirmation note here.. on 'they bring
thier own space-time with them' --- I can see why
someone would say that.

About 30 minutes before I encountered the BTUFO,
this huge 'prickly field' descened for a nubmer of
blocks around my home, and it was that, which apparently
allowed my visitor to come in the patio door, and the
'craft' to break the laws of physics.

I feel this 'brings their own spacetime' thing has not
been vocalizedd/resarched sufficiently.

It is fully integrated into my research, rest assured.

• "They better wake up and start believin'.. they better start believin'.. They won't believe it. They're gonna believe it one of these days. Might be too late. I knew all along there was people from other worlds up there. I knew all along. I never thought it would happen to me." 

Charles Hickson speaking to Calvin Parker at the sheriff's office in 1973, alone and unaware their voices were being secretly recorded.
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Let's see your research Kev - provide one link.

a reply to: karl 12

I sent you some research material to your
email address ending in 4.

i'm not posting anything dangerous online.

In india at least, and in a number of cults
around the world, a lot of people inflict
mental illness or death upon themselves
by playing with this stuff.

I thought RD had some thought provoking nuggets & perceptions in his latest vid.

We're talking about a massive infrastructure that is behind this ufo phenomenon it's massive. It's almost too big even to conceptualize like it's very difficult to imagine an organization that is so comprehensive that is acting around the world all the time every night there is like low maneuvering craft sometimes triangle sometimes a saucer shaped craft that is silently gliding over your home or over your neighbor's home or someone nearby often at like 300 feet above the house or even lower at like two or three in the morning.
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I mean to to some extent I do think we can extrapolate a few things keeping in mind that this is speculation but I do think that there is a good likelihood that at least some and maybe all of these alien groups are here because they can see that we are going through this transformation I've been calling it the fourth stage of humanity from hunting and gathering you go to settle agriculture to science and industry and now to a transhumanist ant colony. Aa very powerful ant colony with tremendous technological and scientific breakthroughs and you know genetics, ai computing capabilities you know everything just everything weaponry the whole thing so they're interested in us and I do think that is a big reason why they are here in such large numbers.

We Are Becoming Alien - The Richard Dolan Show. Link is cued at 37:00.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


Appreciate the message and respect your position Kev - regarding 'nuts and bolts' then suppose many folks do perceive UFOs involved in cases like Edwin Fuhr to be 'physical' objects and have to admit it's pretty bizarre to consider that they may not be (as if this subject isn't bizarre enough).

• "I walked towards it and I stopped roughly fifteen feet from the object - I thought to myself what the devil is this contraption?"

Farmer Edwin Fuhr.

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Think frequency may play a role somehow and have heard it said that we need to throw classical science out the window and start applying large scale quantum science.. but I'll be the first to admit I don't know wtf is going on.

Don't agree with many of this chap's opinions but thought he raised some interesting speculation here.

• "The UFO phenomenon appears to me as a temporary, paraphysical intrusion into our physical dimension by an unknown intelligence or unknown sentient entitities, paraphysically materializing themselves to a “pre-selected” observer (or a group of observers) and presenting to the observer as a physical extraterrestrial phenomenon and visitation."

Norio Hayakawa

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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

I dislike the terms debunker and skeptic in general, as they are used as personal attacks, and not used per their dictionary definitions.

Yes mate this subject does seem to have a huge problem with loaded definitions and subjective interpretation but did think there was a good definition of a genuine skeptic below.

BTW have also been meaning to ask if you have ever come across what you consider is a decent definition of 'high strangeness'?

• "Skeptic - One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity."

Also thought some fair points were raised here about 'scoffers masquerading as skeptics'.

• "There are organized group of scoffers masquerading under the term 'skeptics' who deny, ridicule and suppress anything progressive that challenges the static views of the establishment. They are debunkers who tend to distort, dismiss and obfuscate any phenomenon that challenges a conventional materialistic view of reality. In truth, they are not true skeptics engaging in open inquiry, but selective debunkers with an agenda to defend the establishment."

SCEPCOP describing 'CSICOP'.

a reply to: karl 12

yes, pseudoskepitc is a real thing, though one of our members
harps on it too much.

BTW have also been meaning to ask if you have ever come across what you consider is a decent definition of 'high strangeness'?

Sure.

Well, lots of interesting ones:

Terrence Mckenna said, "People are so alienated from their own soul, that when they
meet their soul... they think it comes from another star system"

Now, if by soul you mean, "Humanities interaction with the quantum vacuum
via little understood signaling pathways" --- sure.

and this one

"Oz Factor
The Oz Factor, a term coined by ufologists and author Jenny Randles (b. 1951), refers to the experience of being isolated or transported by the real world of everyday life into another environment which is quite similar to the real world but changed enough to be noticeable and disturbing. "
ref: www.encyclopedia.com...

I have much more detailed and rich things to add.. a whole books worth,

but in short?

That OZ factor definition is pretty spot on.

I mean, during my won CE5, before the Oz Effect obeyed my
commands and changed shape and posiiton for me,

it looked 100% real.

When my eyes were open it was there.
When my eyes were closed i was not visually perceived)

Yet, the 'Shrodinger's cat type situaton' I was i with 'soemthing else'
just HAD to let me know it was 'oz', by presenting those rivets that
I could see, that never changed apparent size, whether on one
horizon or ther other, or at it's closet arc overhead.

yes.. it's EXACTLY like you are copied over to another working
area of the quantum compuer (unvierse) and it's 99% the same
but those weirdnesses are displayed as well.

Did that help Karl?

Kev

PS: some people want to anthropomorphize the whole thing
that another intelligence is mentoring us non-verbally
(visually usually... i.e the rivets)

We must be careful with anthropomorphization it's a
perceptual trap.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

We must be careful with anthropomorphization it's a
perceptual trap.

Yes but then what do you make of the humour that is involved in some cases - seemingly a very humanlike humour ?

Are we not also falling into the same trap by assuming the oz reveal was deliberate and for that purpose ?

originally posted by: chunder

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

We must be careful with anthropomorphization it's a
perceptual trap.

Yes but then what do you make of the humour that is involved in some cases - seemingly a very humanlike humour ?

Are we not also falling into the same trap by assuming the oz reveal was deliberate and for that purpose ?

The OZ effect, is due to something like quantum mechanics,
where something is neither a particle or a wave,
where observer and observed create each other in
a tempoary space.

This is why all the human imagination elements and
presumptions (the contents of the little red wagon)
get all muddled together, and confused with the
little red wagon itself.

You brought up the very point of the whole discusson.

The REAL discusion begins with what is left when you
take out the 'boring modern human elements'.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I always thought of it like something along the lines of our brain going tilt on filling in the blancs or something like that.

Just want to add your latest post was some sort of an 'aha moment' though I feel there's still a long way to go on my part.

Hope to be able to read what you are writing in that book some day.

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

How much is physics and how much is confabulation?

That is indeed the question.

(in my case why would i confabulate rivets? makes no sense
to me at all. I am not a rivets afficienado.. it was no form
of bias or wishful thinking).

Well, the paper for the University of Venice was presented this
morning... and based upon that, we'll see if there is
a chapter in the upcoming book about my research.

and if that happens, and is received well, then maybe
i'll go 'all in' with an entire book.

I have no idea what the future may bring..

If none of this works out, I still have my wife and my puppy..
that's all I really need.

originally posted by: XtheMadnessNow

I thought RD had some thought provoking nuggets & perceptions in his latest vid.

youtu.be...

So did I mate and also thought he got it spot on about the future horror show being engineered by the Bilderberg / WEF.

Don't know if you've been following the BAASS sideshow (or the Non-Official Cover story from Knapp etc.) but thought there were some other relevant nuggets at the links below.

• "It's a fraud.. it's a clown show."

Researcher Erika Lukes on 'Skinwalker Ranch'.

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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

yes, pseudoskepitc is a real thing, though one of our members harps on it too much.

Maybe so mate but do think their certain brand of snakeoil has done more to discourage healthy research than anything else.

Don't know if you've read Allan Hendry's handbook but thought he pretty much nailed it when describing the 'modus operandi' of CSICOP's Phil Klass.

• "Hendry objected strongly to Klass's modus operandi, which Hendry argued was based on suppressed and distorted evidence, unscientific reasoning, ad hominem attacks, smear campaigns, character assassination, scientific bait and switch tactics, and seemingly refusing to evaluate evidence that conflicted with his preconceptions."

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Some of Phil's 'debunks' were truly hilarious and wasn't surprised to learn that he wangled his way onto Bluebook in the late sixties (along with the NSA's Donald Menzel) when according to Dr Hynek 'the flag of the utter nonsense school was flying at its highest on the mast'. 

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

"Humanities interaction with the quantum vacuum via little understood signaling pathways"

Like that one Kev and great post - maybe we're already in the Metaverse and have been made to forget.

Obviously lots of eerie, unnatural silences also reported in the presence of 'cryptids' and when it comes to freaky time dislocation then apparently luminous, unnatural mists also have a role to play.

Ever looked into this case, if the family are not lying then it's a highly strange one.

originally posted by: chunder

Yes but then what do you make of the humour that is involved in some cases - seemingly a very humanlike humour ?

Pretty astute question there Chunder.

Keel alludes to the point in this lecture about the 'clumsy' behaviour of UFO occupants and thought there were other important questions asked below.

• "Since the late 1940s, witnesses have described numerous disconcerting behaviors in our so-called space visitors. UFO crew members have been scary, curious, funny, evasive, talkative, violent, indifferent, rude, generous, terrifying and even absurd.

I believe few researchers have questioned how it is possible that alleged aliens can repeat over and over again such a variety of behaviors in their landings as if in each case these actions were restarted again, since they are never developed but simply outlined..

But for our study the most interesting thing is to decipher why a presumed extraterrestrial would show himself surprised in the presence of a witness after landing hundreds of times?
Why does he repeat his amazement in the presence of a human being in the surroundings of a UFO? And similarly, how many times would he need to repair his flying saucer in front of a witness? How many ground samples does he need to collect? How many glasses of water does he need to drink to quench his thirst? How many times would these "scientific" aliens need to perform a medical exam on a human? Why would a suspected alien stay static at the side of a road while the witness drives by?

Why do all these actions repeat themselves over and over again? Why haven't the occupants of UFOs evolved over time in their behavior and relationship to humans, only repeating certain behavioral patterns? Why do the occupants after hundreds, perhaps thousands of landings, keep repeating these same behavioral-like mantras?

Jose Antonio Caravaca

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Cheers.

a reply to: karl 12

I do grieve a little bit, that all the intelligence operations,
snake oil and mania have polluted the field of possible
cases that might be honestly researched.

The goal should be to learn new science, not to put forward
a convenient lie as a narrative for personal gain.

Functionally. it's a power grab... church and state always do
the power grabs, to ensure the average person stays weak,
off-balance, and obedient (putting money in the offering
plate of church and government).

a reply to: karl 12

Why do all these actions repeat themselves over and over again? Why haven't the occupants of UFOs evolved over time in their behavior and relationship to humans, only repeating certain behavioral patterns? Why do the occupants after hundreds, perhaps thousands of landings, keep repeating these same behavioral-like mantras?

Because humans haven't evolved; haven't learned anything yet..

Whenever humans change, the interaction changes.

It's obvious by examining history.

If you believe Native American stories, when the natives were welcoming,
the interactions were kind and useful.

But modern man has 'evolved' to capture, kill and dissect for it's learning
methodology.

Now the interactions are toxic and harmful.

Very few UFOlogists examine multiple cultures, so they get trapped in just
their own.

Kev

PS: my CE5 didn't anal probe me.. we played like children on the beach,
the interaction was varied, rich and highly educational. It took me about
7 years to finish understanding what had happened. There was no
mindless repitition. "I Got it" first try, so there was no need for a repeat
visit.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

I do grieve a little bit, that all the intelligence operations, snake oil and mania have polluted the field of possible cases that might be honestly researched.

The goal should be to learn new science, not to put forward a convenient lie as a narrative for personal gain.

Yes well said Kev, looks like certain communities really do enjoy hijacking this subject for their own ends.

• "Governments took notice, organizing task forces, encouraging secret briefings and study groups, funding classified research and all the time denying before the public that any of the phenomena might be real. The major revelation of these Diaries may be the demonstration of how the scientific community was misled by the government, how the best data were kept hidden, and how the public record was shamelessly manipulated."

Dr Jacques Fabrice Vallée

Thought the early internal CIA documents made for some really interesting reading - especially considering how the organisation was simultaneously drafting negative conclusions for future (and supposedly impartial) scientific 'panels'.

Also pretty curious that H. P. Robertson was aware of the existence of the NSA as far back as 1953.

Maybe the Lorenzens were onto something with this one.

• "The Robertson Panel was a device used by the CIA to establish a cover programme (Project Bluebook) that would draw attention away from a covert programme designed to meet the UFO challenge."

Jim and Coral Lorenzen, Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO).

Regarding your other post thought Nick Cook (Jane's Defense Weekly) made some interesting observations in this interview on the UFO phenomenon as some sort of 'consciousness interface'.



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a reply to: karl 12

NIce comments Karl.

i will indeed watch that video.

It has long been noted in certain research quarters,
that death and the threat of death or harm is what
powers certain 'information transfers' which cause
anomalous occurrences.

This is why death, 'faeries' and 'UFOs' are 'joined
at the hip', just like they were for my own CE5
encounter. Faeries being evolved death fragments
(waste information from the death of living beings).

It does sound rather ominous doesn't it?

That the govenrment created all this fake
nuts and bolts study and disinformation
about nuts and bolts cover story,

while at least some of them, know very
well how this stuff works;

the problem is, that our entire culture
would become unstable if certain
aspects of let's call it quantum biology
became commonly known.

The pushback is enormous. However
for the most part, the averge reader
could not distinguish genuine information
from common new age babble.

Certain QM giants such as Carlos Roveli
are approaching a scientific treatment
of some of the 'forbidden science'
so it will all eventally come out, in a
more traditional manner, some day.

a reply to: karl 12

I don't know Nick Cook personally, but he's using some
of the exact words that my writing partner does;
they know each other.

I wouldn't be surprised, if you later hear him and others
in his cadre, using some of my words; he'll certainly hear
them rapidly once my writing partner publishes.

This one video, is closer to the 'truth on ufo's' than
most of them out there.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

This is why death, 'faeries' and 'UFOs' are 'joined at the hip'..

Does sound rather ominous Kev but definitely rather fascinating.

Definitely a Fae connection as well.

When it comes to the 'other side' then do remember Juan Perez claimed to have met his dead grandfather during his very strange UFO encounter.

Looks like Kenneth Arnold was also leaning in a similar direction.

• "After many years of reflecting about what he had truly seen, he believed they were alive, rather than anything made out of nuts and bolts.. He believed that they were possibly from the world where we go when we die. That’s what he believed. He was only brave enough to tell this to a newspaper reporter two years before he died in 1982. He felt that the flying saucers were the link between the living and the dead. It took him his entire lifetime to let 'the cat out of the bag' you might say, and be brave enough to state it the way he really believed."

Kim Arnold on Kenneth Arnold.

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This subject really does take you everywhere doesn't it?

Am glad I keep this handy pie chart for emergencies.


Venn