Can Pro "Vaccine" People Answer A Simple Question???

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

I am a statistician professionally. The only thing I can say about your post here is that the old saying about "figures don't lie, but liars can figure" seems to still hold true.

Im not going to waste my time looking up sources that you will ignore and wave off. The question asked was identified as an informal fallacy on its face, I still gave an answer that is wholly valid.

You're missing the point. It's not about knowledge, it's about trust. All the statistics in the world are garbage if they lie about the numbers. And they just admitted they are lying.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: underpass61
Why indeed do we need any vaccines for the majority of the population, just because you're afraid to feel crappy for a few days isn't reason enough to take the risk.

The vaccine does work and many have been helped by it.

What does you base that on?

The US claims 2800 per 1 million died of covid. In low vaxxt africa it's 200 per 1 million. Explain that. And while you're at it, explain why highly vaxxt south korea is experiencing a huge wave, and why Israel is stacking non covid bodies, which doctors are saying is from the vaccine.

If it was so clear cut, no one would question it, but unfortunately it's not, and the people who stand to profit from it are covering it up, and you are buying into that.

originally posted by: rounda
a reply to: ScepticScot

It is actually a pretty easy process... you take the documents, then you hand them to the agency requesting them.

This ain't classified information.

Hell, Kinkos can photocopy an order that large in about a week.

OR -
You could download it all to a thumb drive in a few minutes.

In response to the OP; my opinion
ScepticScot's link says it all:

Fact #2 : FDA Has To Redact Files Before They Are Released

It is not simply a matter of handing over the documents to PHMPT.

The FDA has to go through every document and redact information that are exempt from disclosure under FOIA, before it can release them.

That process is not only time-consuming, it is resource-intensive because it requires government information specialists to review each page line-by-line.

link

They require that much time to redact all of the information THEY don't want YOU knowing...kinda simple.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0


What does you base that on?

The US claims 2800 per 1 million died of covid. In low vaxxt africa it's 200 per 1 million. Explain that. And while you're at it, explain why highly vaxxt south korea is experiencing a huge wave, and why Israel is stacking non covid bodies, which doctors are saying is from the vaccine.

If it was so clear cut, no one would question it, but unfortunately it's not, and the people who stand to profit from it are covering it up, and you are buying into that.

Nothing is clear-cut, but 99% of what you post is BS doom porn. What you suggest all the time is at all levels evil people across the world are trying to wipe out the human race. You never look at both sides of the coin and just blow off anything that doesn't fit your "they are out to kill us all" narrative. We constantly point out your errors and you just chalk it up to Government disinformation trying to hide the real truth that only you know...lol

The vast number of people going to hospitals are the unvacc, it is shown time and time again. In a highly vaccinated country where more vaccinated people are in the hospitals, the unvacc still shows a much higher percentage when you account for they are coming from a much smaller pool of people. In my two states, they have consistently shown that the unvcc accounts for 85%+ of the hospital cases and this is out of only 40% of the population who are still unvacc. What makes matters worst are that the vast majority of the unvacc are younger healthy people, so the vast majority going to hospitals are higher-risk people from an extremely small percentage of the unvacced population. If you look at UK people are saying 80% of people in the hospitals are vacced and they run that with their doom porn, but what they do not want to see is that the 20% unvacced accounts for well under 1% of the population. Over 90% there are vacced, out of the 10% or less not vacced most are young and healthy that will not get much from the virus anyways, so that 20% unvacced is the extremely small percentage of high-risk unvacced.

In the end, would you tell a high-risk person not to vac?

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

I am a statistician professionally. The only thing I can say about your post here is that the old saying about "figures don't lie, but liars can figure" seems to still hold true.

Im not going to waste my time looking up sources that you will ignore and wave off. The question asked was identified as an informal fallacy on its face, I still gave an answer that is wholly valid.

You're missing the point. It's not about knowledge, it's about trust. All the statistics in the world are garbage if they lie about the numbers. And they just admitted they are lying.

Source, please

a reply to: Jimy718

They require that much time to redact all of the information THEY don't want YOU knowing...kinda simple.

Information like the names and social security numbers of trial participants, including children.

These documents come from dozens of sources, may be written in different languages, and may be catalogued in different ways.

Simply gathering together the data for a FOIA request from the millions of pages of data is a difficult task.

a reply to: Phantom423

But the general population around the world has benefited from the vaccine

I disagree on the notion that the general population around the world had benefited from the vaxs from the same vaxs that Pfizer that tried to hide data batch for 75 years.

That is not normal.

The general population of the world if you have forgggten were either bribed or forced into taking it by coercion and with threats over their jobs.

The main coercions.
-Vax passport system.
-No Vax No Job.

Also Before getting a vax or booster you are asked to sign a form of consent why do you need to sign a consent if its safe and effective?

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Phantom423

But the general population around the world has benefited from the vaccine

I disagree on the notion that the general population around the world had benefited from the vaxs from the same vaxs that Pfizer that tried to hide data batch for 75 years.

That is not normal.

The general population of the world if you have forgggten were either bribed or forced into taking it by coercion and with threats over their jobs.

The main coercions.
-Vax passport system.
-No Vax No Job.

Also Before getting a vax or booster you are asked to sign a form of consent why do you need to sign a consent if its safe and effective?

Where I live people were demanding to get vaxxed even when the were at a low risk. Nobody needed to bribe or threaten them. And now that we have a high level of vaxxed people covid has become a disease of seniors with multiple comorbidity. Life is virtually back to normal and most of the measures that are still in place are voluntary.

Vaxxing turned us from a delta variant death trap that was locking away its old people to one of the least restricted places in the free world. Having a high vax rate saved probably tens of thousands of lives. Beforehand delta got into our care home system and was wiping out entire floors of seniors.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Since the start it's been a disease of old people. The average age of death from covid exceeds the natural life expectancy age.

Now that the frightened masses have all volunteered to be crash test dummies for pharma, people are dropping dead all over the place, the death from all causes for the young shot recipients is up 40%, and the injected Bruce Willis now suffers from aphasia.

Great news, eh?

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Phantom423

But the general population around the world has benefited from the vaccine

I disagree on the notion that the general population around the world had benefited from the vaxs from the same vaxs that Pfizer that tried to hide data batch for 75 years.

That is not normal.

The general population of the world if you have forgggten were either bribed or forced into taking it by coercion and with threats over their jobs.

The main coercions.
-Vax passport system.
-No Vax No Job.

Also Before getting a vax or booster you are asked to sign a form of consent why do you need to sign a consent if its safe and effective?

You missed the point. The point was that the death and sickness rate for people who got the vaccine was substantially lower than those who did not get the vaccine. The vaccine is effective. That's the point.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

OK. You don't trust math. Thats fine.

I happen to live in an area with a lot of unvaxxed people here in Central Texas. Even the anecdotal evidence bears it all out. My wife works in a nursing home where the death toll on her patients bottomed out as soon as the vaccines were rolled out.

This gaslighting ain't working for me.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Jimy718

They require that much time to redact all of the information THEY don't want YOU knowing...kinda simple.

Information like the names and social security numbers of trial participants, including children.

Well, okay. They may leave those 10 pages out.

These documents come from dozens of sources, may be written in different languages, and may be catalogued in different ways.

Simply gathering together the data for a FOIA request from the millions of pages of data is a difficult task.

I can understand "dozens of sources", as each clinic that was performing the trial is a separate source. However, they ALL will use the same language, they will ALL use the same reporting methods/format/forms.

And, it appears that there are only about 300,000 pages, NOT MILLIONS.

a reply to: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Pfizer spent millions on researching the vaccine.

The data is being checked by small team at the FDA.

If you want to argue the FDA should be better funded then not sure I would disagree.

"Pfizer spent millions on researching the vaccine"

That is false, Pfizer didnt research anything, the "Pfizer vaccine" was made with a collaboration by a few public university and one company from German, google it, Pfizer did spent a few bucks to lobby US players to handle the production of the vaccine, so Pfizer got it for free and now is a few billions more rich and pushing for more doses to make more money.

Even the British medical journal is calling out Pfizer for its bull#.

a reply to: Jimy718

You're only looking a specific record from a single study in the US.

If you add in the whole country and documents from the EU and the uk your talking 10s of millions of pages written in French, Spanish and German as well as English

A single study in the US may have as many as 50,000 participants. Just their background data alone could run into hundreds of pages each. so your talking about over a million pages just to register participants.

These studies can easily generate over 100,000 pages of data per week, and foia doesn't just want data, it wants processed data, so a team may need to compile tables based on thousands of page of records per person from 10s of thousands of people.

Hence over 2 year of trials involving 10s of thousands of people will generate significantly more than 300, 000 pages of data.

Sophistry rules in the Cult of The Poisoned Mind.....

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

OK. You don't trust math. Thats fine.

I happen to live in an area with a lot of unvaxxed people here in Central Texas. Even the anecdotal evidence bears it all out. My wife works in a nursing home where the death toll on her patients bottomed out as soon as the vaccines were rolled out.

This gaslighting ain't working for me.

Same thing happened here.

We had a huge delta outbreak as well as one of the early varients getting into our care system. It was like the warmup for 12 monkeys. Then the vax came along and the link between covid and mortality bottomed out.

Now our deaths are all unvaxxed or seniors over 85vwith several comobidity.

...and is repeated ad nauseam

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Ya know, before we could even begin to argue over "how much data that is"; we would have to agree to "what constitutes" a page. Mine is based on ANSI:SQL specification.

By the way: the VAERS database, considered large by some because it contains millions of records; is only about 8GB. Not large by any definition I currently have for data.

Then there is the wee notion; that I, personally, would not want any of their "processed" data...I would want RAW data only. So a simple export from their database is all I would require. That way, I can make my own analysis, and NOT rely on theirs.

a reply to: Jimy718

Try getting the all-cause death rates to post rollout and Birth rates. Compared to the five-year average pre-rollout. it seems to be an impossibility because they are now state secrets. That's the only figure needed to either say vax good or vax bad. I would imagine they are so bad that obscuring this data is of the prime concern of every interested party. Because if they were known widely it would all be over and done with. The internet is totally controlled by interested parties,

a reply to: Narvasis

Those who pushed for vaccine have no answer. None. And if you hear one, it will feel like you are watching cnn.
2nd line.