Can Pro "Vaccine" People Answer A Simple Question???

a reply to: Encounter

Simple common sense questions, cant be answered. If I was buying any product, especially something which goes into my body. I would ask what's in it? Are the people who made this product trustworthy? What do other people say about this product? Has it stood the test of time? Why do I need it? What does the product do? What's in it? who knows..... What do other people say,? I don't know as free speech is muted on this subject. Has it stood the test of time?..nope it's new. What does the product do?...certainly not what was claimed a few months back. Since I am not buying this product and it's free, what is it likely to cost me as nothing is free.? Since death is an admitted side effect, and a raft of others as well. You respectfully decline this product, only to be told you will have no way of earning an income if you don't have it. Well, It is starting to sound like a very bad joke now. Especially when you ask if the manufacturers are trustworthy.

a reply to: Jimy718

 a simple export from their database is all I would require. That way, I can make my own analysis, and NOT rely on theirs.

When you make a foia request someone needs to go analyse multiple record sources in order to pull that data out, they then have to compile it into a suitable form.

The raw data that you think that you want would most likely be meaningless to you because you would need the meta data to go with it in order for it to make sense, and that has to be added in when the foia request is made.

You should also bear in mind that a lot of what exists isn't data, it's letters, emails and other correspondence. Given that much of this is done using EU standards we're talking pages as in A4 paper, scanned or printed. For example people will want to see communications between pfizer executives or between pfizer and people like Faucci. They want to know who said what to who, who knew what and when, and other related things.

Of course, since you are requesting "data", this does beg the question: Do you actually know how to clean data or to do statistical analysis on it?

Do you know how to find statistical trends?

Could you tell the difference between a rise in covid deaths because of a new variant, or because it was summer and people were closing their windows and turning on the AC instead?

Would you even think to look?

One of the core reasons why Pfizer got their legal ruling giving them additional leeway when it came to releasing data is because they needed to ensure that they could it to professionals who know what they are looking at and who can use t in a meanigful way that could inform many more people, and not people like the op who would make vexatious requests and then proclaim that covid proved that the earth was flat.

a reply to: anonentity

Simple common sense questions, cant be answered. If I was buying any product, especially something which goes into my body. I would ask what's in it? Are the people who made this product trustworthy? What do other people say about this product? 

The contents are a matter of public record.

The people who make it are good people genuinely trying to help you. Much of the scandal, such as opioids, involve salesman and marketing people trying to make commission.

The sources in my signature say that the product is really effective, the sources that are being censored are the equivalent of fake reviews on amazon that tell you that Chinese herbal tea will make you seven feet tall and give you a bonner that lasts for 6 hours.

Since death is an admitted side effect, and a raft of others as well. 

The statistical odds are so low that it's barely a thing. The actual number of deaths globally is a fraction of a percent. Your more likely to drown or to die in an automobile accident than from the vax. Yet you're afraid of the shot but not leaving your home to buy groceries.

Especially when you ask if the manufacturers are trustworthy.

99.999999 percent of the time the worst thing that they do is to nickel and dime people. Even the opioid crisis represents a fraction of their business. Its not even one bad apple spoiling a barrel. It's one bad apple in the entire harvest of california.

All the data has been available in UK and Europe since day one and MRHA (UK equivalent of FDA but competent) analysis of the results - it's published in journals too rather than having to wait for FDA to drag their heels. The FDA clearly didn't format the data so redaction of personal details would take seconds like other countries did - It's a very poor approach that shows they paid little/no thought to transparency and letting the public see their analysis.


Can anti-vaxxers explain when people are meant to get AIDS or how the claims of 60m deaths this year from the vax are standing up so far?

Had another 6 monthly routine full blood screening due to an epillepsy med I have to take which can cause liver/kidney failure and lower the immune system.

Everything was normal and in perfect health, liver had improved but that was expected as I had a very rare/severe toxic shock reaction to trying out an epillepsy med which caused liver to inflame and LFT results to be in the 'danger/abnormal catagory.

Only thing slightly elevated was my immune system as it was reacting to an nasty whitling wound and has fluctuated from normal to slighty elevated and back years before I had the vax.

According to the doom porn I shouldn't have had an immune system or count would be an incredibly low trace ammount rather than slightly above average but normal for me and aren't all my organs meant to be failing due to spike proteins or other nonsense.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

The statistical odds are a lot more than the one in a million adverse events that were first touted. This was known by the manufacturer's own data , Using parts of the AIDS virus to bypass an immune system. Is clever but also very stupid at the same time. Because the immune system exists for a billion years of good reasons. It is not a mistake to cleverly bypass without serious repercussions.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: AaarghZombies

The statistical odds are a lot more than the one in a million adverse events that were first touted. This was known by the manufacturer's own data , Using parts of the AIDS virus to bypass an immune system. Is clever but also very stupid at the same time. Because the immune system exists for a billion years of good reasons. It is not a mistake to cleverly bypass without serious repercussions.

Did anybody actually say "one in a million"?

If they did, I doubt very much that they were a scientist, or that they expected people to take it literally. The vax is basically a flu shot. Not literally, but rather the way that it operates. And for 99.99% of people the side effects are similar. Cold or flu like symptoms. The chances of a serious side effect are extremely low, not literally 1 in a million, but so low that it's less risky than regular day to day activities.

For example, the Israeli study shows that the most vulnerable group of people to heart issues are young males, and the risk of them having a serious issue are around 1 in 500,000. For everyone else it's much lower.

The same is true with clotting, it's almost exclusively women in a select age bracket and for everyone else, the risk is so low that it's functionally zero.

You're also being a little ... disingenuous when you say that they are using "part of the AIDs virus".

First of all, AIDS isn't a virus, it's the result of damage caused by HIV. But you already know this, so it's really just splitting hairs.

Secondly, and most importantly, they're not taking part from HIV and using them in the vax. You're just saying because you enjoy causing people fear.

The truth is that a man named Professor Keith Chappell lead a research team that attempted to use a protein that is "similar" to one found in HIV to make their anti-virus package more resilient, but the research was abandoned and the protein isn't used in any current vax.

So, you either didn't read that paper, or you presumed that I didn't read it. Otherwise you wouldn't say something so silly.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies


The statistical odds are so low that it's barely a thing. The actual number of deaths globally is a fraction of a percent. Your more likely to drown or to die in an automobile accident than from the vax. Yet you're afraid of the shot but not leaving your home to buy groceries.

The little 87mg Asprin kills 4000 people annually in America, I guess we better take it off the market quickly.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: AaarghZombies


The statistical odds are so low that it's barely a thing. The actual number of deaths globally is a fraction of a percent. Your more likely to drown or to die in an automobile accident than from the vax. Yet you're afraid of the shot but not leaving your home to buy groceries.

The little 87mg Asprin kills 4000 people annually in America, I guess we better take it off the market quickly.

Does that include suicides?

Aspirin and alcohol was a favorite method of killing yourself when I was younger. People would overdoes with it back in the day when street drugs were much harder to get ahold of.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

It's still a pretty popular method in the UK even with the restrictions of max two boxes per person limits.

It's very nasty way to go, I've known people who woke up the next day and regretted their suicide attempt and decided they want to live then the organ failure etc kicks in a few days later in a long, slow death.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Jimy718

 a simple export from their database is all I would require. That way, I can make my own analysis, and NOT rely on theirs.

When you make a foia request someone needs to go analyse multiple record sources in order to pull that data out, they then have to compile it into a suitable form.

The raw data that you think that you want would most likely be meaningless to you because you would need the meta data to go with it in order for it to make sense, and that has to be added in when the foia request is made.

Hmmmm, can YOU tell what kind of data it is by looking at the file name? I can. Do you have any idea "how" meta data is constructed? Prolly not, and in some of these current instances, neither do I, But, I have the skills to figure it out.

You should also bear in mind that a lot of what exists isn't data, it's letters, emails and other correspondence. Given that much of this is done using EU standards we're talking pages as in A4 paper, scanned or printed. For example people will want to see communications between pfizer executives or between pfizer and people like Faucci. They want to know who said what to who, who knew what and when, and other related things.

Well, actually, they probably would not use EU standards; this is America, so we tend to use ANSI instead, but, fear not, EU copied much of what we have.

Of course, since you are requesting "data", this does beg the question: Do you actually know how to clean data or to do statistical analysis on it?

Do you know how to find statistical trends?

Could you tell the difference between a rise in covid deaths because of a new variant, or because it was summer and people were closing their windows and turning on the AC instead?

Would you even think to look?

I think I've said this before, but, perhaps you didn't read.

I'm a 75YO retired Software/Hardware/Data Engineer, I've been at for nearly 50 years. Over the past 30 years I've been involved in bringing "data" to the fore, and making it available for those who might want to understand it. This had necessarily involved quite a lot of statistics, and Data Mining. I still, on occasion, provide custom data management, mining, analysis tools to those in need.

So, yes, I know a little bit about data analysis, management, design...

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

Does that include suicides?

Aspirin and alcohol was a favorite method of killing yourself when I was younger. People would overdoes with it back in the day when street drugs were much harder to get ahold of.

Nope, just people who die because they can not take it. That is what is so strange with each person as in what does nothing to me may kill you. That is why the vast majority of us can take all kinds of drugs without an issue but there is a laundry list after each drug because some people get all kinds of reactions.

If you take a vaccine with Aluminum, or Mercury in it, and it does not come out in the urine or feces. There is a good chance it has been incorporated somewhere in the body. The drug manufacturers have lobbyists and a raft of lawyers aligned with companies that own the Mainstream news channels. Even if their drugs were rubbish, No one would believe it anyway.
America is the most vaccinated country on Earth and is about the mid-thirties for health, that's compared with some countries that have hardly ever seen a vaccine. The only reason they have got away with the con for so long is that they are cheek by jowl with the defense industry trying to make bioweapons. The vaccines have caused more harm than good. But you will never see the stats. www.bitchute.com...

originally posted by: anonentity
If you take a vaccine with Aluminum, or Mercury in it, and it does not come out in the urine or feces. There is a good chance it has been incorporated somewhere in the body. The drug manufacturers have lobbyists and a raft of lawyers aligned with companies that own the Mainstream news channels. Even if their drugs were rubbish, No one would believe it anyway.
America is the most vaccinated country on Earth and is about the mid-thirties for health, that's compared with some countries that have hardly ever seen a vaccine. The only reason they have got away with the con for so long is that they are cheek by jowl with the defense industry trying to make bioweapons. The vaccines have caused more harm than good. But you will never see the stats.

It is hard to reply to so much crap...lol You forgot to add in the aliens...

We are unhealthy because of our diet and lack of exercise. I'm in Spain right now and the people walk and bike everywhere miles every day. They get very little crap food that a good chunk of America eats 24/7. Very few people I would say are overweight. It isn't vaccs making America unhealthy. I have had every vac known to man and I'm 62 and very healthy because I take care of myself. By your logic, I should be dead 10 times over.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: anonentity
If you take a vaccine with Aluminum, or Mercury in it, and it does not come out in the urine or feces. There is a good chance it has been incorporated somewhere in the body. The drug manufacturers have lobbyists and a raft of lawyers aligned with companies that own the Mainstream news channels. Even if their drugs were rubbish, No one would believe it anyway.
America is the most vaccinated country on Earth and is about the mid-thirties for health, that's compared with some countries that have hardly ever seen a vaccine. The only reason they have got away with the con for so long is that they are cheek by jowl with the defense industry trying to make bioweapons. The vaccines have caused more harm than good. But you will never see the stats.

It is hard to reply to so much crap...lol You forgot to add in the aliens...

Don't worry Xtrozero; we're here watching, wondering WTF?!??!!!

Seriously though; I have begun to wonder IF I am witnessing an application of "The Great Filter".

originally posted by: Jimy718

Don't worry Xtrozero; we're here watching, wondering WTF?!??!!!

Seriously though; I have begun to wonder IF I am witnessing an application of "The Great Filter".

When we look at evolution it is a constant creation of good and bad traits. Good traits move on and bad traits die out, this is how evolution works. I have suggested a number of times that we do not really know if intelligence is a good or bad trait. I think around 1900 is when we entered a period where intelligence finally has reached a point that it could easily be a bad trait. This could be a 500 or 5000 year window that we would need to get through to survive.

Interesting

Nine pages in and the only answers that have been attempted may as well read 'I believe exactly what the vaccine companies tell me to believe'

originally posted by: NorthOfStuff
What I do know is that I have witnessed the FACT that for some reason coins and other metal objects do indeed stick to people after the jab.

Is it the jab causing it? I don’t know.

Do you believe me? I don’t care.

What you saw was NOT because of the jab (straight up human skin types can account for metal objects sticking to your skin, I can stick a spoon/coin to my nose or sternum doesnt mean im magnetic, since i was able to do that decades ago)... the jab making you magnetic is utter mind numbing BS.

Ive had 2 Pfizer jabs and the booster in the last 6 months. I can tell you now im not and never have been magnetic and out of curiosity I did give it a try only minutes after getting back from vaccine place after my second jab just so you know.

originally posted by: WraithOfEva777
Interesting

Nine pages in and the only answers that have been attempted may as well read 'I believe exactly what the vaccine companies tell me to believe'

The OP asked a question then immediately called the pro vaxers in the same post 'people with blinders on' and indicated through his wording that he wouldnt take any answer given by them as truth anyway... I mean do you expect someone that calls the pro vaxxers 'people with blinders on' who have been 'brainwashed', to believe any answer given by the people he wants answer from (and people have given answers to the OP's question). Your own post is indicative of the reaction the OP will give... ie it doesnt matter what us pro-vaxxers say, its always wrong or not sufficient for you lot.

You and the OP arent looking for answers, your looking for confirmation of your own beliefs and wont accept anything outside of that.

There are some Pro Vaxers still believe that the covid vaccines work and un vaccinated are the problem and believe whatever the government had been saying about covid.

Can a pro vax explain why are some spreading lies like this?

Unvaccinated pose a greater risk of infecting others: epidemiologist. This is reason enough for me to keep this mandate in place.

How do Unvaccinated pose a greater risk of infecting others than vaxed? when vaccinated in some cases were infected three times? how does that make any sense?

Yet the pro vaxers are always coming up with something up that they saw or heard on the news.

fully vaccinated decreases risk of serious illness and decreases length of illness

a reply to: pfishy

It was actually Pfizer that didn't want that data to be released.

originally posted by: Jimy718

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Jimy718

 a simple export from their database is all I would require. That way, I can make my own analysis, and NOT rely on theirs.

When you make a foia request someone needs to go analyse multiple record sources in order to pull that data out, they then have to compile it into a suitable form.

The raw data that you think that you want would most likely be meaningless to you because you would need the meta data to go with it in order for it to make sense, and that has to be added in when the foia request is made.

Hmmmm, can YOU tell what kind of data it is by looking at the file name? I can. Do you have any idea "how" meta data is constructed? Prolly not, and in some of these current instances, neither do I, But, I have the skills to figure it out.

You should also bear in mind that a lot of what exists isn't data, it's letters, emails and other correspondence. Given that much of this is done using EU standards we're talking pages as in A4 paper, scanned or printed. For example people will want to see communications between pfizer executives or between pfizer and people like Faucci. They want to know who said what to who, who knew what and when, and other related things.

Well, actually, they probably would not use EU standards; this is America, so we tend to use ANSI instead, but, fear not, EU copied much of what we have.

Of course, since you are requesting "data", this does beg the question: Do you actually know how to clean data or to do statistical analysis on it?

Do you know how to find statistical trends?

Could you tell the difference between a rise in covid deaths because of a new variant, or because it was summer and people were closing their windows and turning on the AC instead?

Would you even think to look?

I think I've said this before, but, perhaps you didn't read.

I'm a 75YO retired Software/Hardware/Data Engineer, I've been at for nearly 50 years. Over the past 30 years I've been involved in bringing "data" to the fore, and making it available for those who might want to understand it. This had necessarily involved quite a lot of statistics, and Data Mining. I still, on occasion, provide custom data management, mining, analysis tools to those in need.

So, yes, I know a little bit about data analysis, management, design...

For someone who claims to have a background in data analysis you don't seem to understand how laborious the process of cleaning and compiling records is.

Maybe you had a junior to do this for you. But I assure you that collating this data isn't just a matter of emailing a couple of excel spreadsheets out to everyone that asks.

And meta data isn't just something that you can figure out, this is complicated scientific research, you'd need to understand what you're looking at before you even started analysing it.

What methodology do you plan to us, what are your tolerances, what is your boundary for statistical significance?