Ukraine against its own citizens

a reply to: lasvegasteddy

i'm simply not buying this us/nato narrative

Then you're left with either the Russian narrative or your own narrative based on the information available , I suggest you go for the latter as the former is Kremlin controlled.

Facts are it's Russia who are attacking Ukraine, it's Russia who have lied both in the build up and execution off this war and it's Russia who have threatened the West with their Nuclear deterrent.

NATO holds some responsibility for the situation but Putin is on a crusade to re-establish the former Soviet Union , the question is after Ukraine where next.

Putin from 2005.

In his annual state of the nation address to parliament and the country’s top political leaders, Putin said the Soviet collapse also was a tragedy for Russians.

“First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” Putin said. “As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory.
www.nbcnews.com...

it was lunaticoutposta reply to: andy06shake

a reply to: lasvegasteddy

Cool, first ive heard of the place.

Surely they must have gave you a reason other than simply "voicing against western narrative's" for the ban all the same?

Mods tend to be a bit more creative or at least explicit in there reasoning.

Could have been worse i suppose, could be in Russia and facing 15 years for simply voicing opinions at the moment.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

I asked in the other thread and did not get a response.

What do you make of this rag tag band of Russian ruffians?

Where are the flower garlands around their necks dirty robbing bastards that they appear to be?

Exactly sure there are thousands of fakes and misinformation, but hey if you want it to stop then leave.

If the OP is worried about civilians getting burns from Molotov cocktails? then leave Im pretty sure they weren't flinging MCs before the invasion

Hasn't enough damage been done to the threat from Ukraine yet?

Does Russia intend to pound those areas east of the line fron Vinnytsia-Zhytomyr that RT pointed out yesterday ?

The WEF propagandists are out in full force

BTW who does not think journalists should b jailed? They have done nothing but lie.

How many deaths are they 100% responsible for from covid?

I think they should hang but thats just me

a reply to: RussianTroll

I'm posting a video that won't open.

a reply to: putnam6

Thing is putnam6 the majority of the Ukrainians cant just leave.

Nor is it even an option they would ever undertake.

Me i can take or leave whatever or whenever i choose, hopefully that situation never changes.

Same with yourself.

As to enough damage been done to the threat from Ukraine yet?

I would like to say yes indeed, thing is Putin's the one that need to see reason or at least accept the cards he has been dealt.

Im not sure what Russia intends next, which is part and parcel of the problem given the repeated lies Putin spews forth.

your position of beliefs is very well conveyed here
and i'm not here to sway you or anyone else's latitude
there is like a battle line of beliefs or trenches we find ourselves in over this stuff

myself after seeing what's been going on by western stances and moves now question everything presented enough
to study the opposite sides for more perspective
peace to ya and hopefully a good resolve ends up being the case here
a reply to: gortex

a reply to: RussianTroll

It's opening for me.

I see red cross supplies and what looks like money.

Whats the dude saying?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: putnam6

Thing is putnam6 the majority of the Ukrainians cant just leave.

Nor is it even an option they would ever undertake.

Me i can take or leave whatever or whenever i choose, hopefully that situation never changes.

Same with yourself.

As to enough damage been done to the threat from Ukraine yet?

I would like to say yes indeed, thing is Putin's the one that need to see reason or at least accept the cards he has been dealt.

Im not sure what Russia intends next, which is part and parcel of the problem given the repeated lies Putin spews forth.

Because Zelensky is having them shot and forcing kids and old women to fight

a reply to: just4fun

Here is the thing just4fun.

And as unfortunate as the case may be "Zelenskyy" dont need to force the majority of his people to do anything including kids and old women.

They are willing to die for their land and nation.

War is hell, and people can unleash it.

Freedom to Ukraine!

nah they just banned me with no explanation
i was merely a guest as awhile ago i decided it best to keep a low online foot print
figured i'd fire up my ol ATS and do my best not to get too wrapped in current affairs
as alot of emotions are in play on both sides of things these daysa reply to: andy06shake

a reply to: RussianTroll

Not everyone is playing deaf, dumb and blind. Not everyone believes all the crap spewed from the political critters... and their Big Media. Not everyone is jumping on this "When we do it, it's good! And when they do it, it's BAAAAAAAAAD!" bandwagon. Not everyone hates Russia or Russia's people.

None of us know what the whole truth is. And quite frankly, we have no way to know. I do know that much or all of what you are telling us could be true. I do know that Russia-supporting and Russian speaking Ukranians have had a target on their back for years. All I really know is that I cannot know.

I won't even get into all the other corruption from the west that we've seen playing out with Ukraine for years, between Biden's bribes and threats, his sons shady dealings, Trump's bogus impeachment, NATO, biolabs, oil and gas transport and distribution, and on and on and on.

I also know that it's damn pathetic that so many people are allowing themselves to be led blindly in this deadly political game when they also KNOW (even if they're playing dumb now) that our political critters cannot be trusted. To some, Russia "invaded," and that's enough to stop all critical thinking and to just put all the blame on Russia. To others, their bloodlust alone is enough -- and it shows. And it's absolutely reprehensible.

I'm not going to pretend I know anything I don't -- neither for nor against Russia, nor for nor against anyone else. But I'll keep praying for the whole world.

a reply to: andy06shake

Have no clue... YT poster says under the title "Dollars from the Red Cross"
"Chechen national guard of Russia found a warehouse with dollars in Ukraine"

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

It's opening for me.

I see red cross supplies and what looks like money.

Whats the dude saying?

I wrote in the thread, these are Kadyrov's, Chechens-Rosguards. It is assured that they found a warehouse near Kiev. But what he says exactly, I do not know. They speak Chechen and ask Kadyrov what to do next.

a reply to: lasvegasteddy

That's a shame lasvegasteddy.

Could try asking for an explanation.

As to emotions being in play on both sides, i think that's a world dilemma at the moment with regards to so many issues and not just an internet thingamabob.

a reply to: andy06shake

Volodymyr Zelenskyy is Jewish and freely elected, you get that right?

Of course he was...

Because of course all elections are free and fair and honest. Especially in Ukraine.

Um hum.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Google translate/search might be able to help where the audio is concerned.

What do you make of the vid i posted of what appears to be Russian troops robbing bank safes/ATM and grocery stores?

And by the way all this mad # aside, i like the majority of our interactions and the threads you post.

So no hard feelings just because we seem to disagree on Putin.

Where is this all headed RussianTroll how do you see this ending or even going forward?

Because its not going to plan by the looks of things on your end.

a reply to: Boadicea

"Of course he was" what?

As to elections being free and fair.

Well the Ukraine is after all a "semi-presidential representative democratic republic".

Or it was until Russia invaded.

Hopefully she retains a modicum of democratic rule after the Russian invaders are vanquished and defeated.

a reply to: dollukka

Quite curious that your quotes from the WHO do not say these were "Russian" attacks. In fact, they do not attribute the attacks to anyone in particular.

Is it possible that these attacks were committed by Ukranians (or other non-Russians) to fan the flames of war and sympathy? It sure is!

Hmmmmmmm......