Russia Ukraine Update Thread

a reply to: McGinty

I'd prefer to see him locked up in The Scrubs with Big Winston from Wandsworth. 😉

a reply to: andy06shake

I figure Russia has aout 2 weeks of fight left in them before logistic problems become too great for them to handle. Soon fuel and ammo will dry up and with that means food as well. I can see a situation where the surrender or flee in mass. To some extent its already starting as ive seen videos of Ukranians finding all kinds of armor just left behind and were eing taken by ukraines army. I watched one video they took over 3 T72s just left by the road. Nice of Russia to supply the Ukrainian army.

Put these videos in another thread but thought I would put them here too. Really liked the first video where Lazerpig compares "Desert Storm" with the current invasion of Ukraine. I remember that invasion when I was a kid, watching it on TV, and being in awe at how easy Iraq fell to the allied forces. This was back at about a week after the invasion, March 2. It's interesting he says he pointed out about 6 months ago (but never uploaded the video) that Russia's military was in horrible shape.



And his recent upload from March 12, where he expounds on the war, and also gives a little speculation on where it may go.

From Wikipedia, but perhaps informative none the less.

en.wikipedia.org...

Cheers

originally posted by: majesticgent
It seems about time to start a Russia Ukraine situational update thread to consolidate all of the important updates and info about this impending situation.

President Vladimir Putin ordered his defense ministry to despatch Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's two breakaway regions, according to a decree published early on Tuesday after he said Moscow would recognize their independence...

Source: www.jpost.com...

Have been reading multiple reports of this. Well, that was quick! Will this be seen as an "invasion" by NATO and the West? Is this report true? Time will tell. Russia always can say we didn't encroach on Ukraine since it doesn't recognize Donetsk and Lugansk as Ukraine.

originally posted by: randomuser
Put these videos in another thread but thought I would put them here too. Really liked the first video where Lazerpig compares "Desert Storm" with the current invasion of Ukraine. I remember that invasion when I was a kid, watching it on TV, and being in awe at how easy Iraq fell to the allied forces. This was back at about a week after the invasion, March 2. It's interesting he says he pointed out about 6 months ago (but never uploaded the video) that Russia's military was in horrible shape...

And his recent upload from March 12, where he expounds on the war, and also gives a little speculation on where it may go.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: andy06shake

I figure Russia has aout 2 weeks of fight left in them before logistic problems become too great for them to handle. Soon fuel and ammo will dry up and with that means food as well,. I can see a situation where the surrender or flee in mass. To some extent its already starting as ive seen videos of Ukranians finding all kinds of armor just left behind and were eing taken by ukraines army. I watched one video they took over 3 T72s just left by the road. Nice of Russia to supply the Ukrainian army.

a reply to: dragonridr

Retired US general Hodges also has stated "around 10 days".

Dunno. If Russian supply really crashes in that time period, they'll have serious problems. But if they can keep even minimal supply reaching their troops, my guess is that their war of attrition could last considerably longer, although expenditure of ammunition would probably fall.

To get the Russians out of Ukraine will take offensive action. The Ukrainians have been strong in defense, and there is some evidence that local attacks have been successful. But breaking the Russian lines and forcing them back is a different level of difficulty, and entails significantly more risk.

Cheers

a reply to: dragonridr

They are probably preparing new troops and everything else. When you look at the whole picture, Russia has around 1.000.000 troops and another 2.000.000 in reserves. They only sent around 150.000 in Ukraine ... They have more that enough for the long war ... hopefully it finishes before it escalates into WW 3.

You have to take into account that propaganda is extremly strong on both sides during war. That is why it is better to look at the raw data and not emotional data.

* - Chernihiv(10:30). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kyiv(10:26). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kharkiv(10:25). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Widespread damage after Russian shelling targeted Lukyanivska metro station area in Kyiv

* - Security Service of Ukraine detained suspect in providing mobile communications to Russian army

* - Destroyed Russian equipment after failed assault on Mariupol

* - Death toll of Russian missile attack on TV tower near Rivne yesterday morning increased to 19 dead, 9 wounded

* - Russian army shelled Kharkiv 65 times yesterday - Head of regional administration

* - Today PM's of Poland, Czech Republic and Slovenia (@MorawieckiM , @P_Fiala @JJansaSDS) along with the Poland deputy PM Kaczyński will visit Kyiv

* - Russian ministry of Defense in morning briefing claims control over Panteliymonivka in Donetsk region, and reaching Verkhnotoretske and Novoselivka Druha

* - Kyiv(09:10). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Ukrainian army seized Russian artillery position near Mykolaiv

* - In Polohy, Zaporizhiye region Russian troops have blown up military enlistment office

* - Russian army shelling destroyed boarding school, city hospital and 3 schools in Rubizhne, 4 killed

* - School 7 was damaged as result of shelling by Russian army on Kharkiv

* - 2 killed as result of Russian army shelling on residential houses in Svyatoshinsky district of Kyiv

* - Shockwave damaged entrance to Lukianivska metro station in Kyiv

* - Shelling targeted residential apartments building at Mostycka street in Kyiv

* - President Zelensky said that Russia suffered more losses during the war in Ukraine than during the 2 wars in Chechnya

* - Russian army shelled Velyka Pysarivka with artillery

* - .@NATO leaders are discussing holding an extraordinary meeting in Brussels late next week, according to US and foreign officials, that President Biden and other heads of state would attend. Planning, these officials note, is not yet final

* - Operational information from the General Staff:In the South Bug direction, Russian army is trying to gain a foothold in the areas of Tomina Balka, Nadezhdivka, Kiselivka, Pervomaisk, Mykhailo-Larine, Ulyanivka, Pisky, Dobre, Snihurivka, Arkhangelske, Zagradivka, Osokorovka, Berislav, Kakhovka

* - [Operational information from the General Staff:In the Mariupol direction, Russian army is trying to capture Mariupol. Ukrainian soldiers successfully repulsed the attacks of the invaders. The total losses of the enemy were about 150 people, 2 tanks, 7 infantry fighting vehicles and one armored personnel carrier. After the losses, Russian army stopped the offensive and retreated

* - Operational information from the General Staff:In the Volnovakha direction, Russian army does not stop trying to break through in the direction of Vuhledar

* - Operational information from the General Staff:In the Avdiivka direction in the area of Kamyanka settlement, during the reconnaissance battle, Russian army suffered significant losses and were forced to withdraw

* - Operational information from the General Staff: In the Donetsk and Tavriya directions, Russian army fighting with certain forces in the areas of the settlements of Borova, Ternove, Novokrasnyanka, Luhanske, Horlivka, Panteleimonivka, Mykilske, Huliaipole, Orikhiv, and Kamyanske

* - Operational information from the General Staff: In the Slobozhansky direction, Russian army does not stop trying to surround Sumy and conducts hostilities in the areas of Svatove, Izyum, Hrushevakha, Petrovske, Husarivka, Balakliya, Liman, Malinovka, Kochetok, Bezruky, Oleksandrivka, Velyka Pisarivka, Tarashivka, Nesarivka, Oleshnya. Talalaivka. Does not carry out active offensive actions. In order to strengthen groups in the areas of Sumy, Okhtyrka, Kharkiv and Izyum, regroups troops and consolidates on the captured borders.

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

* - Operational information from the General Staff: In the northern direction, Russian army is fighting in the areas of the settlements of Lyubech, Slavutych, Kovryta, Zolotynka, Mena, Branytsia, Kalita, Bogdanovka, Lukash, Romny, Nedrigailiv. Does not carry out active offensive actions. Carries out regrouping of troops, improves the logistics system in order to prepare and resume the offensive in the direction of Brovary.

* - Operational information from the General Staff: In the Polissya direction, the Russian army forces are fighting in the areas of the settlements of Poliske, Kropyvnya, Zakharivka, Oliva, Sloboda, Kukharska, Zhovtneve, Ozershchyna, Lypivka, Kopyliv, Motyzhyn, Buzova, Horenychi, Bucha, Demydiv

* - President Biden: We will make sure Ukraine has weapons to defend against the invading Russian force. We will send money and food and aid to save Ukrainian lives. We will welcome Ukrainian refugees with open arms

* - Donetsk regional administration: 2 civilians killed today in Avdiyivka, 2 in Kramatorsk and 1 in Petrivske. Also 2 wounded in Avdiyivka and 1 in Toretsk

* - As result of shelling that targeted car of "Help Army" volunteers near Gorky Park in Kharkiv. 26y.o man killed, another woman wounded

* - Fire at central market in Kharkiv after heavy shelling by Russian army

* - US told allies that Russia requested 5 types of military gear from China, including Surface To Air Missiles. Also drones, armored vehicles, logistics vehicles & intelligence-related equipment. US did not provide underlying intelligence in cables to allies

* - Senior woman wounded as result of artillery shelling targeting Stanislav community in Kherson region

* - Russian troops sieged Chulakivka village in Kherson region "looking for people who shot at them"

* - President Zelensky asking Verkhovna Rada to extend martial law for another 30 days starting 24th March (Telegram photo / Safe)

* - First evacuated civilians arrived from Mariupol' to Zaporizhiye

* - Kharkiv administration confirmed Iskander ballistic missile targeted Svobody street and destroyed residential house earlier today

* - Fire at Haharina street in Kharkiv

* - Russian military equipment together with personnel was destroyed in forests near Kyiv

* - Shelling and fire at Holdberhivska street in Kharkiv

* - The White House: The outbreak of a third world war would not be in anyone's interest (especially with President dumb ass Biden and Vice President knee pads running things)

* - Russians are clearly expanding their target sets in Ukraine, says @PentagonPresSec. But he adds they are not making the progress on the ground that the US believes Russia thought they would be making at this point. @StateDeptSpox has said Putin "gravely miscalculated"

* - "We are in constant communication with our Ukrainians counterparts about the type of assistance that they need" per @PentagonPresSec. Says @DeptofDefense working on getting Ukraine another $200 mil in security assistance as authorized by @POTUS

* - 1 killed, 2 wounded as result of Russian mortar fire during evacuation of civilians from Hostomiel today

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

* - Memo just sent to Fox News employees on injuries sustained today by a network correspondent in Kyiv, Benjamin Hall @BenjaminHallFNC

* - NSA Sullivan met Chinese officials today and raised concerns abt "PRC support to Russia in the wake of the invasion and implications that any such support would have" for US-China relations and China's relations with the world, per @StateDeptSpox. Doesn't say if support has been shared

* - Syria: the commander of (Christian) NDF in Suqaylbiyah in N. Hama announces his readiness to go to fight in Ukraine, when Russia will order it. Nabeel Al-Abdallah has personal ties with Russian Generals in Kheimimim Airbase

* - "We will not allow any country to compensate Russia for its losses," says @StateDeptSpox, referring to China

* - China has tremendous leverage with Russia and could help bring an end to the "senseless violence" in Ukraine, says @StateDeptSpox

* - World Bank: Sanctions on Russia hurt the global economy more than the war in Ukraine (tough)

* - Fox News announces that one of their crew members has been injured in Kyiv while out reporting on Russia's war against Ukraine. @JohnRobertsFox says Fox's "teams on the ground are working as hard as they can to try to gather more information (CAUTION: The MEDIA are NOT immune in a war zone and need to realize this)

* - The United States on Monday told allies in NATO and several Asian countries that China had signaled its willingness to provide military and economic aid to Russia to support its war in Ukraine, a U.S. official said

* - "We are horrified that journalists and filmmakers—noncombatants—have been killed and injured in Ukraine by Kremlin forces," the U.S. State Department said

* - Israeli Prime Minister Bennett spoke to Russian President Putin and discussed the situation in Ukraine

* - Financial Times, citing sources: Washington has informed its allies that China has expressed its willingness to provide military assistance to Russia in Ukraine.

* - Pentagon still sees no indications of the Russians sending in military reinforcements from elsewhere in Russia, the senior U.S. defense official said

* - Russian army shelling targeted Lavina Mall in Kyiv

* - Russian military column entered Lazurne village in Kherson region

* - 9 killed, 9 wounded as result of an airstrike on TV tower in Rivne region this morning

* - Russian long-range cruise missile strikes on Ukraine's Yavoriv military training ground near the Polish border will NOT impact U.S. military aid: senior U.S. defense official. Yavoriv was NOT a transshipment point for U.S. military aid to Ukraine, the official said

* - U.S. has seen new Russian effort to block off any Ukrainian retreat from Donbass region, advancing 50 to 60 vehicles that are bypassing Kharkiv in an effort to cut off the area: senior U.S. defense official

* - Turkish Ministry of Defense: NATO defense ministers will meet in Brussels on Wednesday to discuss the war in Ukraine

* - Senior defense official begins: "We'll just say at the top that there's actually not a lot of specific changes or progress to speak to in general [in Ukraine.] Almost all of Russia's advances remain stalled

* - Heavy artillery shelling targeting Avdiyivka coke-coal plant

* - Slovakia expels three Russian diplomats – Slovak Foreign Ministry

* - Guterres: The United Nations will allocate another $40 million to respond to the humanitarian needs in Ukraine

* - Big Russian military convoy entered Kupyansk, Kharkiv region. Including supply trucks, tankers and self-propelled artillery

* - Karlivka water treatment station is out of power after shelling

* - Volyns’ka Oblast’ (I am assuming its for an air raid warning since the symbol shown on the map is the air raid warning)

* - 2 Russian missiles targeted airport in Dnipro city, terminal is damaged, runway destroyed

* - Zhytomyr(10:57). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Foreign Minister Wang Yi warns China does not want to be impacted by economic sanctions on Russia, state media says, as pressure grows on Beijing to withdraw support from Moscow. "China is not a party to the crisis, still less wants to be affected by the sanctions"

* - 80 people wounded in shelling of Mykolaiv region yesterday, including 2 children

* - Written procedure now over for the EU's 4th sanctions package on Russia. Should be published in the official journal later today

* - Mykolaiv(11:01). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Curfew to be imposed in Kyiv starting 8pm today and before 8am 17th March, "today is difficult and dangerous moment" - Mayor Klitchko

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Flightradar24

* - JAKE11 - Boeing RC-135W Rivet Joint / USAF - Over Poland patrolling Kaliningrad / Belarus / Ukraine border with Poland
* - LAGR230 - Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker / USAF - On station over Romania
* - IAM1413 - Boeing 767-2EY(ER) - Italian air force - On station over Romania
* - DUKE44 - Sikorsky UH-60M Blackhawk - US Army - Operating in S.E. Poland near Rzeszow
* - ZT621 - Boeing 737-436(SF) / Titan Airways (British charter people/cargo) - en route to Rzeszow from London
* - KAYAK32 - Airbus KC2 Voyager (A330-243MRTT) / Royal air force - On station over Romania
* - FE45 - Lockheed EP-3E Orion / USAF - Over Romania / Ukraine / Moldova border / Black Sea
* - MMF18 - Airbus A330-243MRTT / NATO (Netherlands) - on station over east/southeast Poland
* - DUKE61 - Beech C-12U-3 Huron / US Army - over SE Poland near Ukraine border

The RF Armed Forces took full control of the entire territory of the Kherson region - Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

a reply to: dragonridr

Could be right dragonridr.

If they are still there and in place after the two weeks time and ran out of fuel and ammunition that's a slaughter in the works.

As to surrender, they better hope the Ukrainians are up for accepting such.

Because if they had destroyed the place i live, and killed my friends, men, woman, and children, that i knew i don't think i would be up for accepting surrender.

This is the thing with this entire shebang, Putin has created an enemy on his own doorstep for the foreseeable future by way of his depraved antics and invasion.

Click links for full articles

* - Ukrainians return from abroad to fight Russian invasion (140k return to fight)

MEDYKA, Poland -- While hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians flee their country, some Ukrainian men and women are returning home from across Europe to help defend their homeland in the face of Russia's invasion.

Poland’s Border Guard said Sunday that some 22,000 people have crossed into Ukraine since Thursday, when Russia invaded the country.

At the checkpoint in Medyka, in southeastern Poland, many stood in a line early Sunday to cross into Ukraine.

"We have to defend our homeland. Who else if not us?” said a moustachioed man in front of a group of some 20 Ukrainian truck drivers walking to the checkpoint to enter Ukraine. They came from across Europe to return to Ukraine.

* - U.S. warns China not to assist Russia

National security adviser Jake Sullivan issued a direct warning to his Chinese counterpart Monday about the potential consequences of any assistance that Beijing might provide Russia in its war with Ukraine, officials said, following Moscow’s recent request for military equipment and aid.

The seven-hour meeting in Rome between Sullivan and Yang Jiechi, planned several weeks ago, took on added urgency as Russia’s war against Ukraine dragged into its third full week without any signs of winding down. A day after Russia launched a salvo of cruise missiles at a military facility near the Ukraine-Poland border, the United Nations estimated the total civilian toll in Ukraine at 596 dead and 1,067 injured, though it has said it believes that the actual figures are “considerably higher.”

* - NATO's 2 closest partners are doing some hard thinking about the alliance after Russia's attack on Ukraine

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has Finland and Sweden concerned. The two Nordic countries have strategically valuable locations next to their larger neighbor: Finland has an 830-mile border with Russia, and Sweden overlooks important maritime routes through the Baltic Sea.

While Russia has threatened neither country directly since its February 24 invasion, Moscow's aggression has reignited debate in those countries about their security — including whether they should finally seek NATO membership.

Before joining the EU in 1995, Sweden and Finland were politically neutral. They remain militarily non-aligned, but they are two of NATO's Enhanced Opportunities Partners, the closest form of cooperation offered to non-members. They have participated in NATO's Response Force and frequently conduct joint exercises with the alliance.

* - Turkmenistan leader’s son wins presidential election (takes a page from the DNC on election rigging)

Turkmenistan authorities have said the son of the Central Asian country’s leader won the presidential election after an unusual vote-counting delay, establishing a political dynasty in one of the world’s most tightly controlled countries.

Serdar Berdymukhamedov, 40, secured 72.97 percent of votes in Saturday’s election to lead the gas-rich country and succeed his father Gurbanguly, the central election commission said on Tuesday.

His nearest rival in a field of nine candidates was university official Khyrdyr Nunnayev, who won 11 percent.

There was an unexpected wait for the result, after authorities said on Sunday they needed more time to count the votes.

* - Ukraine and Russia Resume Talks as Moscow's Bombing Campaign Grinds On

KYIV, Ukraine—Diplomatic efforts to end Russia’s war in Ukraine resumed Monday after a Russian shell struck a residential building in northern Kyiv, killing two people, according to Ukrainian authorities.

Russian and Ukrainian negotiators met by video. U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan was also meeting his Chinese counterpart in Rome after warning Beijing to resist what Washington has described as Russian calls for Chinese help in the war.

* - Why are Ukraine’s cheap, slow drones so successful against Russian targets?

The video shows a Russian missile launcher sitting in the open. Suddenly, it is enveloped in a huge fireball.

Ukrainian officials say what looked like a video game was actually the work of a small, relatively cheap Turkish-made drone that has made a surprisingly lethal impact on Russia forces.

A U.S. defense official said Monday that Ukraine has made “terrific” use of Turkish Bayraktar TB2 unmanned aerial vehicles, which can loiter over tanks and artillery and destroy them with devastatingly accurate missile fire. The official said the United States is working to help keep the drones flying.

a reply to: andy06shake

Yeah the following article would make me want revenge and not to seek a surrender of Russian forces. The surrender would be Russian forces turning tail and retreating completely from Ukraine - ALL of it.

Russian TV Calls for Hangings of Ukrainians in Occupied Cities

As Russia ramps up its assault on Ukraine, some pundits on Russian state television have advocated implementing hangings by court-martial in the country if Russia is successful in establishing control.

Speaking on Russia-1, a state-owned Russian television channel, one expert cited Russian President Vladimir Putin's "special military operation" in Ukraine that began on February 24.

The pundit, whose identity was unclear, repeated the Kremlin's line that the invasion launched by Putin is a "special military operation" to disarm Ukraine and detain leaders it claims are neo-Nazis. Ukraine and the West say this is a false pretext used in an attempt to justify the invasion.

"I would restore the death penalty by hanging through military tribunal," he said, noting that he believes some in Ukraine pose a danger to Russians.

"There are people in Ukraine who threaten Russian citizens and create a threat for us," he claimed.

"In my view, this is of utmost importance," he said.

According to The Daily Beast columnist Julia Davis, other pundits later agreed, while one of them noted that the constitution of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) conveniently permits the death penalty

click link for article, media and links to twitter videos of the discussion...

* - Ternopil(11:47). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Uzhgorod(11:47). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Lviv: air sirens in the city

* - Dnipro(11:32). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kryvyi Rih(11:27). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - UNHCR: About 3 million Ukrainian refugees since the start of the Russian military operations

A very brave woman indeed!

Props to the lady, my hat comes off.