Russia Ukraine Update Thread

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: Xcathdra

One could argue Zelensky is using his countrymen as human shields
Ukraine is over-run with Russian military and he's refused a ceasefire.

Respectfully no - no one can make that argument.

Cease fire? Maybe Russia should have stayed on their side of the border.

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: Xcathdra

One could argue Zelensky is using his countrymen as human shields
Ukraine is over-run with Russian military and he's refused a ceasefire.

All civilians were asked to leave.

Almost everyone remaining are now warfighters and support.

10 Million of them.

Ukraine had 8 years to train and prepare the ground.

They appear to have used that time wisely.

Which is why putin's 200k strong army just got pummeled all week.

a reply to: Xcathdra

That's interesting. I know that the US gets cyber attacked all of the time and they even contributed some hacks to Russian state-backed actors, but I guess they didn't want to go to war over it.

originally posted by: majesticgent
a reply to: Xcathdra

That's interesting. I know that the US gets cyber attacked all of the time and they even contributed some hacks to Russian state-backed actors, but I guess they didn't want to go to war over it.

Essentially.. Invoking article 5 has to be done by the country targeted.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: majesticgent
a reply to: vNex92

Surely they mean cyber warfare, otherwise, how could they declare war on a group of hackers unless they can be tied to a particular nation-state's official hacking efforts.

It is no different than NATO. They already said a member who is cyber attacked can invoke article 5 and each instance is reviewed on a case by case basis.

NATO isn't responsible for what Anonymous does outside NATO.

NATO didn't attack russian satellites, or we'd already know whether russian satellites can swim.

a reply to: AngelsDecay

For India, it's complicated. Here is an article that lays it all out. Basically, India is dependent on Russia in a few ways that affect their national security and they can't risk souring the 7+ decade relationship.

globalnews.ca...

No idea about South Africa though.

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: Xcathdra

One could argue Zelensky is using his countrymen as human shields
Ukraine is over-run with Russian military and he's refused a ceasefire.

Mmmm... I see Ukrainians all over Ukraine REFUSING to ceasefire. Are we watching the same news?

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

If you and your partner were anywhere near correct
Russia would have withdrawn
instead we are seeing steady Russian advances.
Zelensky could have taken the ceasefire and saved thousands of lives
Now he and his countrymen will probably completely lose access to the sea of azov to Russia
and many thousands dead, for what? a NATO rescue?
Ukrainians have every right over the choice to endanger themselves to defend their homeland
but it should have remained a choice,Not a knife given to them by their president to fall on

Ya know I was looking at Romania losing the Mig 21. It went down over the Black Sea (inside Romanian territory). The explanation is bad weather but I am curious. I wonder if it was shot down by Russian forces and Romania doesnt want a war.

a reply to: all2human

and Putin could have not illegally invaded Ukraine. The argument you are making is akin to a domestic violence victim being blamed for why she/he was beaten.

That is not gonna fly with me.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Ya know I was looking at Romania loosing the Mig 21. It went down over the Black Sea (inside Romanian territory). The explanation is bad weather but I am curious. I wonder if it was shot down by Russian forces and Romania doesnt want a war.

Currently several airports are reporting marginal vfr, and a couple full IFR, I don’t know when that jet crashed, but weather could likely be a factor. Low scud right now in those areas.

a reply to: Xcathdra


I'm guessing EW.

Russians spent the entire summer and fall installing something secret there.

If both aircraft just disappeared with no communication at all, this was likely EW.

Hence the reason we never had any interest in sending the U.S. navy to the black sea.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Ya know I was looking at Romania loosing the Mig 21. It went down over the Black Sea (inside Romanian territory). The explanation is bad weather but I am curious. I wonder if it was shot down by Russian forces and Romania doesnt want a war.

In this rate of tension you have to expect conflicts to 'overspill.' Some commercial ships were bombed at the beginning of all this nonsense. At the moment this doesn't look like Russian job... but next time!!!

originally posted by: Xcathdra
and Putin could have not illegally invaded Ukraine.

Can you give me an example of a "legal" invasion? Just like the USA thought it was justified in it's numerous "invasions" over the last 50 years (despite international condemnation), Russia feels it's justified in this one. There's no such thing as a "legal" invasion. They thought it necessary to take action (very likely for reasons very different to what the MSM and yourself think) and they took action.

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

If you and your partner were anywhere near correct
Russia would have withdrawn
instead we are seeing steady Russian advances.
Zelensky could have taken the ceasefire and saved thousands of lives
Now he and his countrymen will probably completely lose access to the sea of azov to Russia
and many thousands dead, for what? NATO?
Ukrainians have every right over the choice to endanger themselves to defend their homeland
but it should have remained a choice,Not a knife given to them by their president to fall on

Absolute nonsense.

I have no partner, and I NEVER said Ukraine could defeat russia in a military fight.

I DID predict that russia will surrender within a few weeks, but that has very little to do with Ukrainian military capabilities.

Their job is to simply survive and hold the line for as long as possible.

The real battles are taking place elsewhere.



Russia should have accepted Zelinsky's surrender terms:

Take all russian troops back to russia and we'll stop killing russians.

Period.

Seems simple enough.




Nice propaganda attempt, doubt it helped putin as much as you had hoped though.

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
a reply to: AngelsDecay

For India, it's complicated. Here is an article that lays it all out. Basically, India is dependent on Russia in a few ways that affect their national security and they can't risk souring the 7+ decade relationship.

globalnews.ca...

No idea about South Africa though.

Tanx....about SA i think its here »»»

www.dailymaverick.co.za... mning-russia/

a reply to: Navieko

Russia recognized the Donbas region as independent. They annexed Crimea. They invaded the entire country, now claiming its not as real country. Where would you like me to start?

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Offering an alternative perspective
not professing to know the truth
I don't belittle others if they disagree with me.
nor am i new member of just 12 days posting my opinion on the same thread 20hours/day
The propaganda is real

WagnerGroup mercenary captured near Mariupol

a reply to: all2human

oh boy, here we go again...

Russia would have withdrawn

Is that a pinky swear? OK then. Is tomorrow noon a good time? They will ceasefire.

a reply to: Navieko

Operation Overlord comes to mind. Operation Torch.