Vladimir Putin giving Address the Russian nation now

a reply to: Nyiah

"Pretty sure thats what ATS keeps saying about trees & liberty & knowing "When"."

No idea. What does that mean?

Biden Administration imposed sanctions on the LPR and DPR . . . separate from the sanctions on Russia.

It sounds like Biden has acquiesced to the notion that the LPR and DPR are now independent states and in fact would serve to force these two states into even closer economic alliance with Russia.

Which means both "No War" and a lucrative market for foreign arms sales for years to come.

originally posted by: Freeborn
I don't think I'm stupid - no Brain of Britain either, but certainly not stupid.

But could someone please explain to me in very simple and in an easy to understand manner exactly why Putin's move on the Ukraine is down to Biden and The Democrats?

I know the man is a hopeless incompetent, I'm not disputing that....I just don't quite get why Putin's desire to regain land he believes is rightfully Russia's is Biden's fault.

This is a genuinely serious question free from any sort of political bias etc.

I'm sure there are many other non-American members who think the same and would also like some sort of clarification and explanation.

Interesting question, but FWIW there is a history Biden has always been very hawkish, Biden has been involved in Ukraine since before his Vice Presidency, he was on the Senate's board for foreign relations for a long time. If you have time do a search JOE BIDEN UKRAINE with a date range before 2016. among other articles, you will see a beaming Biden in an article about Hunter's appointment to the Burisma board, something he rarely discusses now for some reason.

below are just a couple of more articles about Biden/Ukraine

www.reuters.com...

www.huffpost.com...

a reply to: KTemplar

So, because the 'tough' talk is coming from Biden its dumb and stupid.
Are you trying to imply that Trump 'tough talking' would be somehow different?
If so, why? Please explain.

And if Biden shouldn't be 'talking tough' how should he be talking?

Won't those criticising him for 'talking tough' only criticise him for being weak if he didn't 'talk tough'?

Ukraine sided with the Nazis during the war

So it wasn't the Germans who occupied Ukraine? This could fall under the same history re-write Putin is trying to do concerning Ukraine. The Germans arrived in Ukraine and recruited calaborators who were Russian and Ukrainian that helped to kill a million and a half Jews there. I don't know if Id go as far as to say that Ukraine 'sided' with the nazis. Especially considering Ukraines current economic ties that are well established and not nazi friendly in any way.

Even if Putin plays nazi killer for the cameras it doesn't erase what he's actually doing. He's stealing a sovereign nation and its economy…trying to anyway. This little sidestep of territory recognition is him exploiting a loophole and buying some time. The only reason he would need more time is if he's out of gas and can't get the troops back or if something spooked him. As soon as he gets Kyiv he's paid, big time..so its probably not the fuel..hes scared…I don't think he can afford to do much of anything til he takes that capital.

With my western take on things its hard for me to comprehend this guys reasoning, I really try not to be ethnocentric, while maintaining a parodic approach with pragmatism sprinkled in there, but this dude is seriously entitled to say the least.

a reply to: gortex

www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: Freeborn

Well, Putin has only gone and done it now.....

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Scary.
There really is potential for this to blow up into something much bigger.

History teaches us that things like this can at times develop a momentum all of their own.

Lets hope calm heads prevail.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

suppose it depends on what side of the fence you're on? Seems there's a very large portion of very happy people living in a Free to decide for themselves area now. Been a long 7 years fighting for independence.

a reply to: Freeborn

Indeed, my friend.

Let's hope wiser heads prevail.

Interesting times.

a reply to: puzzled2

Do you honestly think the people of Luhansk and Donetsk will now be 'free' to decide if they remain part of Ukraine, become independent nations or are re-integrated into Russia?

a reply to: Freeborn


It isn't WHO said and did it.

It is WHAT he said and did.

From his very first day in office.

EVERYONE paying attention knew what the results would be.

Democrats were apparently either ok with these results, or too damn stupid to understand what he was doing.

No other option.



Same on many other issues.

The biden pain is FAR from over.

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: CriticalStinker

So unless we do get involved, I don't see how the US "deep state" has anything to do with what Russia is doing/saying.

The deep state is way bigger than the US

Thats why every country has fallen in line

DEMOCRATS are the reason, not DS.

We can easily defeat DS if democrats get out of the way.

They won't, because senior democrats ARE ds.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: jedi_hamster

Any evidence to damn an entire country and write it off like that?

The US has its own share of Neo Nazis.

Should we write off the whole of the US, using your "logic"?

WHERE?

Where these American nazis you keep alluding to?

(Besides prison of course)

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

All I'm hearing are predictable and empty political soundbites and rhetoric, nothing specific whatsoever.

So again, why is it all Biden and The Democrats fault?

What would you have had him do different?

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

OK. There are no US Neo Nazis. Not a one.

And salmon live in trees and eat pencils.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: gortex

“Cry “Havoc!” and let slip the dogs of war”
-William Shakespeare, Act III, Scene 1 of Julius Caesar.

yeah!

"the idea is not to stop ragnorok, but to start it" Thor.

originally posted by: gortex
According to Russian media Putin will recognise the breakaway regions of Donetsk and Luhansk giving him a way into Ukraine , Putin says Eastern Ukraine is ancient Russian territory , French President Emmanuel Macron has called an emergency national security meeting over Putin's decision.

What was expected is now happening.

"Ukraine is an integral part of Russia's own territory"

Are we not going to talk about the fact that you had to edit the source video because SKY News cut the feed?

Boris felt the need to interject with some Bullsh!t about the Corona Virus...

MSM/Government are so transparent when they try to hide things.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Hide what, exactly?

Like Putin, your hero, isn't?