Lets clear the Air surrounding the Sars-Cov19 " Vaccine "

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Yes.

www.fda.gov...

The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty,

a reply to: slatesteam

Yep, everything about my posts in this thread just screams "shallow end.*

a reply to: Vroomfondel


We agree then; the job of a Vaccine is not to stop a virus from entering the body.

So your original point:

If these shots people are getting were actually vaccines no one who received them would be getting covid.

Doesn't actually follow the logic of how a Vaccine works.

Have a great day.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Identified

The problem is too many people have misunderstood what exactly a vaccine does. A vaccine does not kill a disease (or stop people from getting the disease) before it infects, a vaccine only helps your body defeat the disease after you become infected.

I should wonder how smallpox was eradicated, if people that are vaccinated get infected, show symptoms and pass the disease to others.
This is how the Covid vaccines work, according to what the authorities have been telling us.

It's how the smallpox vaccines work, too.

Also, the smallpox vaccine only lasts 3-5 years, and requires boosters.

Additionally the smallpox vaccine has a rated effectiveness of 95%, just like the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. If you wanted to define the COVID-19 vaccines as 'leaky' because they don't have 100% effectiveness, you would also have to call the smallpox vaccines just as 'leaky', and yet they have eliminated a human disease.

Smallpox Vaccine Basics - CDC

Hmmm.

By one month after immunization, memory B cells are present at their maximal levels. These levels are then maintained with little alteration for the lifetime of the animal.

Bolding by me.
NCBI-NIH

a reply to: chr0naut

Yes, Polio requires 4 vaccinations: Polio Vaccination - CDC Smallpox required booster shots every 3 to 5 years: Smallpox Vaccine Basics - CDC Fluvax is reformulated every season for new strains and annual vaccination is recommended:

Yes I admit I was wrong on the Poilio Vaccine there are several boosters which is not surprising for a Virus that cripples people .

Smallpox is still just one injection , and you only need it every few years if you are in countries where Smallpox is relevant .

Flu Vaccine again is still just one shot a Year .

Seems like it is. The problem is the nonsense that some people believe about vaccines.

"Seems" ? mate all the wishful thinking in the World is not going to give that Vaccine FDA approval , I don't give a damn how many people have the Vaccine It still is not FDA approved and that is for a reason.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

Additionally, the inactivated whole virus COVID-19 vaccines, like those created in China, are far less effective than the mRNA ones. They also have the disadvantage that they may foster recombinant new strains of SARS-CoV-2, just like the whole live virus does (the Omicron strain is a recombinant one).

a reply to: chr0naut

your kidding right?

Omicron is CLEARLY a recombinant strain resulting from mRNA vaccines.

The mRNA vaccines only contain the RNA for the spike protein from the Alpha strain. There is nothing else in there from any of the rest of the viral genomes of other strains, to 'recombine'. The Omicron strain has two mutations to the viral core (R203K and G204R) that aren't on the spike at all. And one dropout mutation (NSP6) in the viral membrane (which because it is a dropout may not be from recombination). It is clear that the strain is recombinant between different strains of the whole virus.

Yes mate that is all very impressive , and yet still a staggering amount of Fully Vaccinated people are catching Omicron .

Nearly a dozen of my family members 'Who are vaccinated btw ' are currently sick with Omicron.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

People are getting sick while fully vaccinated because, as Chr0naut explained, the Covid mRNA vaccine ONLY contains the spike protein from the Alpha variant.

Spike proteins are what mutate on a virus with replication. A slight change with the spike protein and the body has to recalculate how it fights the virus even when the immune system has the ability to fight a slightly different version of the spike protein. This is immunology 101.

Each time a virus replicates it has a chance to change or mutate. Covid is a rapidly replicating virus. Omicron is slightly different than the Alpha Covid Virus. People with the Covid Vaccine for the Alpha variant will still have a stronger immune response to Omicron than someone who has never been exposed to any variant of the spike protein.

The Influenza Vaccine requires yearly Vaccination because each year the Quadrivalent Influenza Vaccine contains 4 Influenza variants that have been identified as the most likely strains for that year. They are new variants that have naturally mutated from the replication errors of previous Influenza Viruses. Just like with Covid.

BTW Small Pox has been eradicated World Wide in the wild. The only people who still get the Small Pox Vaccine are those who work with the Virus in labs and people who are part of Small Pox Vaccine Studies. Most people under the age of 50 have never had a single dose of Small Pox Vaccine. Those who do work in labs get boostered every 3 years; and it was only a single dose originally because Small Pox has a replication with few to no errors (mutations.)

a reply to: Identified

Spike proteins are what mutate on a virus with replication. A slight change with the spike protein and the body has to recalculate how it fights the virus even when the immune system has the ability to fight a slightly different version of the spike protein. This is immunology 101.

100% true

and When the body goes through slight changes such as for example being vaccinated to attack the Spike Proteins on a certain virus .

Then that said Virus can and will over time mutate it's spike Proteins to Fight the Vaccinated host , Which gives us Omicron.

It's a double edged sword mate.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Yes, immune escape is a possibility.

But let's look at it like this.

People who have no immunity from the spike protein have an exponentially slower immune response to the virus and this allows the virus to replicate millions of times before the body reacts to kill it. They also have a longer symptomatic period and are contagious for longer

Vaccinated people have an immune response. They have less symptoms, less shedding, less viral load, and less ability to spread the disease even should they mutate it.

Vaccinated are also less likely to have severe complications or death.

Immune escape, while a real possiblity for any Virus hasn't been shown to be a factor in Covid. Immune escape also occurs among those who got the Virus in the wild. The more people who fight the disease with symptoms the more it could conceivably contribute to Immune escape.

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

They are nervous, and want to ensure that if they are eventually stricken by this experimental new drug, you will be too.

LOL, it's still experimental?

Um. They’re not even out of the test phase last I checked.

The Pfizer vaccine has received full approval and has completed all phase III trials.

How long ago did you last check?

Here's the officaial word on the process:

Vaccine Testing and the Approval Process - CDC

Negative. My understanding is the FDA approved the Comirnaty vaccine that used the “same process” as the ones the world is currently being injected with.

I mean if you can show me the actual trials for Moderna and Pfizer NOT ending before ‘22 at the earliest, I’d love to see that.

Thanks in advance.

So you think that the FDA and Pfizer spent all that time and money approving something, all the trials, and grants approvals process, and peer review of decisions and determinations that came from the research, and getting agreement from other parties and scientific review boards, and then they just changed it anyway? Why?

Why go through all that BS. If they could have just given Pfizer an approval, for pay, and Moderna and J&J, too, and not be bothered with the whole process, if it didn't mean anything.

Also, and this isn't too minor a point in this, literally in 4 days, it will be that far distant date of 2022.

Gonna agree to disagree amigo.

You’re looking short-term at wheels that have been turning a very long time. About them benjis right now. Sure.

But control? That’s where the real money is.

Also. You’re suggesting that I’m right by saying yes in fact the earliest the actual trial for 1 vaccine is ‘22, the other ‘23. Or are you suggesting that they will have concluded their data collection in four days. Anyway thanks for the admission.

In advance.

Also I’ll wait. I haven’t seen you refute my claim yet.

Your claim, that the FDA approved something different than the vaccine currently in use, was spurious, and ignorant, and I fully refute it.

Pfizer chose to apply a brand name to their product after FDA approval, one they had already been using for the product in Europe, but the content of the vaccine is molecularly identical despite the name change.

Same Vaccine, New Name. Why Did Pfizer Choose Comirnaty?

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: chr0naut

Yes, Polio requires 4 vaccinations: Polio Vaccination - CDC Smallpox required booster shots every 3 to 5 years: Smallpox Vaccine Basics - CDC Fluvax is reformulated every season for new strains and annual vaccination is recommended:

Yes I admit I was wrong on the Poilio Vaccine there are several boosters which is not surprising for a Virus that cripples people .

Smallpox is still just one injection , and you only need it every few years if you are in countries where Smallpox is relevant .

Flu Vaccine again is still just one shot a Year .

Seems like it is. The problem is the nonsense that some people believe about vaccines.

"Seems" ? mate all the wishful thinking in the World is not going to give that Vaccine FDA approval , I don't give a damn how many people have the Vaccine It still is not FDA approved and that is for a reason.

The Pfizer vaccine has been approved by the FDA. It is no longer under the EUA.

The Moderna and J&J vaccines will also likely be approved, as soon as the testing and phase III clinical trials are complete.

The Pfizer vaccine has been approved by the FDA. It is no longer under the EUA. The Moderna and J&J vaccines will also likely be approved, as soon as the testing and phase III clinical trials are complete.

a reply to: chr0naut

Mate no it has not been FDA approved that is a false hood .

And your speculation about the other Vaccines is just that speculation.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Identified

The problem is too many people have misunderstood what exactly a vaccine does. A vaccine does not kill a disease (or stop people from getting the disease) before it infects, a vaccine only helps your body defeat the disease after you become infected.

I should wonder how smallpox was eradicated, if people that are vaccinated get infected, show symptoms and pass the disease to others.
This is how the Covid vaccines work, according to what the authorities have been telling us.

It's how the smallpox vaccines work, too.

Also, the smallpox vaccine only lasts 3-5 years, and requires boosters.

Additionally the smallpox vaccine has a rated effectiveness of 95%, just like the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. If you wanted to define the COVID-19 vaccines as 'leaky' because they don't have 100% effectiveness, you would also have to call the smallpox vaccines just as 'leaky', and yet they have eliminated a human disease.

Smallpox Vaccine Basics - CDC

Hmmm.

By one month after immunization, memory B cells are present at their maximal levels. These levels are then maintained with little alteration for the lifetime of the animal.

Bolding by me.
NCBI-NIH

Highly-specific memory B cells generation after the 2nd dose of BNT162b2 vaccine compensate for the decline of serum antibodies and absence of mucosal IgA

SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines induce persistent human germinal centre responses

But low and behold, the magical B cells aren't so permanent and unassailable. In fact, the blanket statements of earlier studies do not convey the full complexities that we now know exists:

Altered cellular and humoral immune responses following SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination in patients with multiple sclerosis on anti-CD20 therapy

originally posted by: MapMistress

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

A vaccinated persons cells can lesson the replication of the Virus in turn theoretically making them less contagious, but they are still an incubator for the virus in turn spreading it .

Well, I must say that I just don't understand it. When comparing Covid vaccines to other vaccines, obviously the Covid vaccines fail. But why?

Let's take MMR-Vaccine as a Comparison. Measles Mumps and Rubella Vaccine is made from dead viruses. Then they inject the dead viruses into to you so that your immune system can react to the dead viral matter and build immunity to it. Then if you go into a store and are exposed to measles thru the store's air system, your body catches the real measles, BUT already responds to kill the virus because it was already exposed to dead measles virus. So after a MMR-Vaccine, you have immunity for life.

Then let's look at Pertussis vaccine, aka Whoopong Cough. Pertussis is NOT a virus, but rather Pertussis is caused by bacteria. The way it works it they take tiny amounts of proteins from pertussis bacterium and inject them into people to build an immune response. But it requires a lot of boosters. 4 shots the first 2 years of life (2 months old, 4 months old, 6 months old, and 15 months old). Then 1 more boost at age 4-6 years old. And then another boost 11-12 years old. (Although I seriously remember getting the booster when I was 15 or 16). The final booster in teen years gives Pertussis protection spanning their early 20s.

All those boosters are because Pertussis is a bacteria and not a virus. Pertussis vaccine is a protein-based vaccine. Protein parts from the bacteria injected into people to produce immune response.

Yet Covid is a VIRUS. And instead of making a REAL vaccine from dead viral matter which builds a lifelong immune response, they decided to play injectable-protein games which is what is usually done with bacteria.

The whole approach from the beginning has been flawed. It's an inferior approach to combat a virus. Big Pharma already knows that protein-based injections wane in immunity, such as Pertussis, which requires all the boosters. Yet, Big Pharma is refusing to do what they already know works which is dead virus or weakened virus in a vaccine. It's like from the beginning, Big Pharma never had any intention of offering lifelong immunity to Covid, they wanted to provide inferior inject-a-protein games which they knew would have waning immunity over and over and over again.

And on further comparison of Covid vaccines to Pertussis vaccines, I'd still say Covid vaccines inferior-inject-a-protein games are ridiculous. Pertussis vaccine: 4 doses first 2 years of life offers far better protection to infants than the 4 doses of Covid vax in 1 year.

Really bad products these Covid vaxxes are. Already demanding people get a 4th shot in 1 year. And guess what? Even after the 4th shot, you can still catch and spread Omicron Covid and Omicron Covid will still make you sick.

So what's the point of anyone playing the 4 shots per year, which still won't stop you from getting sick with Covid? Big Pharma needs to stop. They need to be required to make a REAL vaccine that actually works rather than this crap they are trying to force everyone to get.

Viruses are not living to begin with. Whatever they're sticking into you, alive or dead has nothing to do with it.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

The Pfizer vaccine has been approved by the FDA. It is no longer under the EUA. The Moderna and J&J vaccines will also likely be approved, as soon as the testing and phase III clinical trials are complete.

a reply to: chr0naut

Mate no it has not been FDA approved that is a false hood .

And your speculation about the other Vaccines is just that speculation.

Comirnat y and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine - FDA

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

Additionally, the inactivated whole virus COVID-19 vaccines, like those created in China, are far less effective than the mRNA ones. They also have the disadvantage that they may foster recombinant new strains of SARS-CoV-2, just like the whole live virus does (the Omicron strain is a recombinant one).

a reply to: chr0naut

your kidding right?

Omicron is CLEARLY a recombinant strain resulting from mRNA vaccines.

The mRNA vaccines only contain the RNA for the spike protein from the Alpha strain. There is nothing else in there from any of the rest of the viral genomes of other strains, to 'recombine'. The Omicron strain has two mutations to the viral core (R203K and G204R) that aren't on the spike at all. And one dropout mutation (NSP6) in the viral membrane (which because it is a dropout may not be from recombination). It is clear that the strain is recombinant between different strains of the whole virus.

Yes mate that is all very impressive , and yet still a staggering amount of Fully Vaccinated people are catching Omicron .

Nearly a dozen of my family members 'Who are vaccinated btw ' are currently sick with Omicron.

Yes, but your family, because of contacts and closeness, might very well be at the core of a single outbreak.

You cannot suggest that you think your particular situation reflects the cumulative situations across the state, nation, or world?

a reply to: chr0naut
There you have it folks,
the NIH is wrong... again.

a reply to: chr0naut

Actually as above is right. The people who are vaccinated and boosted are all getting covid and I also know a family who gas Omicron, all are vaccinated and boosted, you can't see what's going on? You're being lied to and you're eating it up. To say there are no side effects from this so called vaccine is pure ignorance that your blissfully living in. Your narrative is crumbling and I think you're desperately grasping at straws.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: asabuvsobelow



This Medical Fascism we are seeing Right Now should more properly be called Corporatism, since it is the merger of State and Corporate Power . Corporations are Enforcing Fascist Socialist Dictates and they Operate as an arm of Government with the Power to Act Outside of Our Constitution . This Alone should Rally the American People to Arms when the Process of Law is Overridden by these Petty Dictators ! .........

Corporatocracy is the word you're looking for.
That is indeed spot-on!

but here are more cool words that fit the bill:
technocracy
utilitarianism
totalitarianism
expertocracy
kakistocracy


@op
When a pathogen can not replicate inside a host we call the type of immunity this individual has "sterile".

Whether or not a vaccine reliably produces sterile immunity depends not only on the vaccine, but also on the pathogen. Smallpox vaccines for example supposedly cause sterile immunity.

However the definition of vaccine has been tampered with in 2021.

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