Lets clear the Air surrounding the Sars-Cov19 " Vaccine "

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

The mRNA started with two in an effort to build your immunity just like the Polio Vaccine does. In most cases the first introduction to a virus does not complete the immunity response. The booster (3rd jab) was a top up and get us through a mutation. The next boosters supposedly will have tweaked to the proteins because of the mutations. It's a new vaccine. The Polio Vaccine underwent a huge change in 2000 which required certain people to get additional jabs or different jabs.

I said Most not All. If Small Pox were to be unleashed on the world again you would most certainly require a booster/new vaccine. Your one shot only worked because we are no longer exposed to the virus in the wild.

You might want to check with your doctor on your Heb B since that is a 2-3 dose vaccination.

Even assuming the mRNA caused thousands of deaths that is compared to millions of deaths from the wild disease.
Thankfully the mutations, while progress rather quickly, they do seem to be following a usual pattern of becoming less lethal. There are still the concerns of long term ramifications but the hope is this becomes like Influenza where healthy young people are not likely to see serious illness so won't have to rush out to be vaccinated every year.

Personally I think the mRNA vaccine is safe but I leave it up to everyone to decide if they want to take it. I don't agree with public mandates like you were subjected to in the military. I really just want everyone to be as informed as they can be.

he mRNA started with two in an effort to build your immunity just like the Polio Vaccine does. In most cases the first introduction to a virus does not complete the immunity response. The booster (3rd jab) was a top up and get us through a mutation. The next boosters supposedly will have tweaked to the proteins because of the mutations.

a reply to: Identified

All that for a Respiratory Virus ?

I said Most not All. If Small Pox were to be unleashed on the world again you would most certainly require a booster/new vaccine. Your one shot only worked because we are no longer exposed to the virus in the wild.

That is speculation on your part end of story.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Respiratory viruses can be extremely deadly. It isn't simply you have a runny nose and cough for a few days. Think MERS, Hanta, SARS - all respiratory viruses that are extremely deadly.

Like I said above, the Chinese were locking people into their apartments, building hospitals overnight, and fumigating the town when they first identified what they created. The world is dealing with a new virus of unknown origin that is barely 2 years old. I think it was extremely diligent for them to race to find a vaccine and cures when we had no idea what were in for. We actually lucked out that this thing wasn't as horrible as China first thought it was.

It isn't speculation on my part but speculation on the entire scientific community that is stockpiling Small Pox vaccinationa just in case it is released back to the world. Studies have shown in the paat that one jab of Small Pox only lasts 3-5 years. Additional jabs will last longer but it has been over 40 years since many in the US have even had a Small Pox vaccination if they ever got one to start with.

Lab workers receive the Small Pox vaccine booster every 3 years so clearly it isn't speculation on my part that you will need a booster should Small Pox ever be released.

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Respiratory viruses can be extremely deadly. It isn't simply you have a runny nose and cough for a few days. Think MERS, Hanta, SARS - all respiratory viruses that are extremely deadly.

Like I said above, the Chinese were locking people into their apartments, building hospitals overnight, and fumigating the town when they first identified what they created. The world is dealing with a new virus of unknown origin that is barely 2 years old. I think it was extremely diligent for them to race to find a vaccine and cures when we had no idea what were in for. We actually lucked out that this thing wasn't as horrible as China first thought it was.

It isn't speculation on my part but speculation on the entire scientific community that is stockpiling Small Pox vaccinationa just in case it is released back to the world. Studies have shown in the paat that one jab of Small Pox only lasts 3-5 years. Additional jabs will last longer but it has been over 40 years since many in the US have even had a Small Pox vaccination if they ever got one to start with.

Lab workers receive the Small Pox vaccine booster every 3 years so clearly it isn't speculation on my part that you will need a booster should Small Pox ever be released.

Riddle me this then. Why was it that when they tried to make vaccines for MERS and SARS they stopped?

In other words why DON’T we have THOSE vaccines.

Bonus if you can figure out how Fauci was involve at the time.

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

You have to get a new Influenza vaccine every year to accommodate the protein spike mutations and still the average year the vaccine is only 60% effective against the prevalent strain.

The Polio Vaccine is currently 4 shots done at the ages of 2 months, 4 months, 6-18 months and then again between the ages of 4 and 6 years. If you travel to countries that still have outbreaks then they recommend a booster.

Most vaccines require more than 1. Please, familiarize yourself with the Vaccination Schedule.
www.cdc.gov...

The Covid mRNA is performing about as well as many other vaccines we have been using and working on for decades considering how quickly Covid is mutating.

Again. Ahem. Then why is it called a flu shot vs. a Covid vaccine if they work about the same.

I’ll wait.

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

They are nervous, and want to ensure that if they are eventually stricken by this experimental new drug, you will be too.

LOL, it's still experimental?

Um. They’re not even out of the test phase last I checked.

The Pfizer vaccine has received full approval and has completed all phase III trials.

How long ago did you last check?

Here's the officaial word on the process:

Vaccine Testing and the Approval Process - CDC

a reply to: slatesteam

I'm not sure I understand your question.

The "Flu Shot" is the "Influenza Vaccine." Some folks use different words for different things. For instance in the UK they typically call these Jabs.

People also say they have gotten the Flu Bug but I haven't really heard the term Covid Bug . Language is strange that way.

a reply to: slatesteam

They didn't stop. There is a SARS and a MERS vaccine being trialed right now. Remember we didn't have multiple countries all at once working overtime and throwing billions of dollars to produce a vaccine because the world was in a pandemic from either of those.

Covid mRNA actually catapulted vaccine science ahead by decades so you will start seeing many more vaccines being developed using this technology and what was learned from all these universities and companies working on the same virus at once.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

They are nervous, and want to ensure that if they are eventually stricken by this experimental new drug, you will be too.

LOL, it's still experimental?

Yeah didn't you hear ?

How many Shots and boosters are we up to chr0 ? Four , Why do you think that is ?

It's two shots and a single booster, so far. Not all countries are on board with the third shot yet.

Do we require 4 injections to inoculate us for the Flu , Smallpox or Polio or anything for that matter . ?

Yes, Polio requires 4 vaccinations:

Polio Vaccination - CDC

Smallpox required booster shots every 3 to 5 years:

Smallpox Vaccine Basics - CDC

Fluvax is reformulated every season for new strains and annual vaccination is recommended:

Influenza (Flu) Preventetive steps - CDC

Seems this mRNA vaccine is not performing as advertised hints why it's STILL NOT FDA APPROVED .

Seems like it is. The problem is the nonsense that some people believe about vaccines.

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: slatesteam

I'm not sure I understand your question.

The "Flu Shot" is the "Influenza Vaccine." Some folks use different words for different things. For instance in the UK they typically call these Jabs.

People also say they have gotten the Flu Bug but I haven't really heard the term Covid Bug . Language is strange that way.

That’s why Oxford Dictionary and CDC are teaming up in the New Year then is it? Oughta sort some things right out for us all.

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: slatesteam

They didn't stop. There is a SARS and a MERS vaccine being trialed right now. Remember we didn't have multiple countries all at once working overtime and throwing billions of dollars to produce a vaccine because the world was in a pandemic from either of those.

Covid mRNA actually catapulted vaccine science ahead by decades so you will start seeing many more vaccines being developed using this technology and what was learned from all these universities and companies working on the same virus at once.

Oh good. Could have sworn they stopped way back when the actual trials were killing more folks then the viruses.

Also. Fancy having the Covid vaccine but not those. Doesn’t novel mean new when applied to coronavirus.

Ahem.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

They are nervous, and want to ensure that if they are eventually stricken by this experimental new drug, you will be too.

LOL, it's still experimental?

Um. They’re not even out of the test phase last I checked.

The Pfizer vaccine has received full approval and has completed all phase III trials.

How long ago did you last check?

Here's the officaial word on the process:

Vaccine Testing and the Approval Process - CDC

Negative. My understanding is the FDA approved the Comirnaty vaccine that used the “same process” as the ones the world is currently being injected with.

I mean if you can show me the actual trials for Moderna and Pfizer NOT ending before ‘22 at the earliest, I’d love to see that.

Thanks in advance.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

Additionally, the inactivated whole virus COVID-19 vaccines, like those created in China, are far less effective than the mRNA ones. They also have the disadvantage that they may foster recombinant new strains of SARS-CoV-2, just like the whole live virus does (the Omicron strain is a recombinant one).

a reply to: chr0naut

your kidding right?

Omicron is CLEARLY a recombinant strain resulting from mRNA vaccines.

The mRNA vaccines only contain the RNA for the spike protein from the Alpha strain. There is nothing else in there from any of the rest of the viral genomes of other strains, to 'recombine'. The Omicron strain has two mutations to the viral core (R203K and G204R) that aren't on the spike at all. And one dropout mutation (NSP6) in the viral membrane (which because it is a dropout may not be from recombination). It is clear that the strain is recombinant between different strains of the whole virus.

a reply to: slatesteam

Well they didn't stop, so good for everyone.

Necessity is the mother of invention. Weird how all it took was one pandemic, huh?

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: slatesteam

Well they didn't stop, so good for everyone.

Necessity is the mother of invention. Weird how all it took was one pandemic, huh?

Ahem. Well if you mean TPTB were tired of the Free World and Western Civilization having the limelight since WW2, and they needed to put a stop to all these “freedoms and rights” by implementing a plan that has been in motion for oh-so-long by using the tried-and-true Hegelian Dialectic, then yeah.

I totally agree with you.

Oh. You wanna stay in the shallow end about all “this”.

I see. My bad.

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

They are nervous, and want to ensure that if they are eventually stricken by this experimental new drug, you will be too.

LOL, it's still experimental?

Um. They’re not even out of the test phase last I checked.

The Pfizer vaccine has received full approval and has completed all phase III trials.

How long ago did you last check?

Here's the officaial word on the process:

Vaccine Testing and the Approval Process - CDC

Negative. My understanding is the FDA approved the Comirnaty vaccine that used the “same process” as the ones the world is currently being injected with.

I mean if you can show me the actual trials for Moderna and Pfizer NOT ending before ‘22 at the earliest, I’d love to see that.

Thanks in advance.

So you think that the FDA and Pfizer spent all that time and money approving something, all the trials, and grants approvals process, and peer review of decisions and determinations that came from the research, and getting agreement from other parties and scientific review boards, and then they just changed it anyway? Why?

Why go through all that BS. If they could have just given Pfizer an approval, for pay, and Moderna and J&J, too, and not be bothered with the whole process, if it didn't mean anything.

Also, and this isn't too minor a point in this, literally in 4 days, it will be that far distant date of 2022.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

They are nervous, and want to ensure that if they are eventually stricken by this experimental new drug, you will be too.

LOL, it's still experimental?

Um. They’re not even out of the test phase last I checked.

The Pfizer vaccine has received full approval and has completed all phase III trials.

How long ago did you last check?

Here's the officaial word on the process:

Vaccine Testing and the Approval Process - CDC

Negative. My understanding is the FDA approved the Comirnaty vaccine that used the “same process” as the ones the world is currently being injected with.

I mean if you can show me the actual trials for Moderna and Pfizer NOT ending before ‘22 at the earliest, I’d love to see that.

Thanks in advance.

So you think that the FDA and Pfizer spent all that time and money approving something, all the trials, and grants approvals process, and peer review of decisions and determinations that came from the research, and getting agreement from other parties and scientific review boards, and then they just changed it anyway? Why?

Why go through all that BS. If they could have just given Pfizer an approval, for pay, and Moderna and J&J, too, and not be bothered with the whole process, if it didn't mean anything.

Also, and this isn't too minor a point in this, literally in 4 days, it will be that far distant date of 2022.

Gonna agree to disagree amigo.

You’re looking short-term at wheels that have been turning a very long time. About them benjis right now. Sure.

But control? That’s where the real money is.

Also. You’re suggesting that I’m right by saying yes in fact the earliest the actual trial for 1 vaccine is ‘22, the other ‘23. Or are you suggesting that they will have concluded their data collection in four days. Anyway thanks for the admission.

In advance.

Also I’ll wait. I haven’t seen you refute my claim yet.

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Respiratory viruses can be extremely deadly. It isn't simply you have a runny nose and cough for a few days. Think MERS, Hanta, SARS - all respiratory viruses that are extremely deadly.

Like I said above, the Chinese were locking people into their apartments, building hospitals overnight, and fumigating the town when they first identified what they created. The world is dealing with a new virus of unknown origin that is barely 2 years old. I think it was extremely diligent for them to race to find a vaccine and cures when we had no idea what were in for. We actually lucked out that this thing wasn't as horrible as China first thought it was.

It isn't speculation on my part but speculation on the entire scientific community that is stockpiling Small Pox vaccinationa just in case it is released back to the world. Studies have shown in the paat that one jab of Small Pox only lasts 3-5 years. Additional jabs will last longer but it has been over 40 years since many in the US have even had a Small Pox vaccination if they ever got one to start with.

Lab workers receive the Small Pox vaccine booster every 3 years so clearly it isn't speculation on my part that you will need a booster should Small Pox ever be released.

Riddle me this then. Why was it that when they tried to make vaccines for MERS and SARS they stopped?

In other words why DON’T we have THOSE vaccines.

Bonus if you can figure out how Fauci was involve at the time.

To start with, only about 8,000 people in the entire world caught SARS as it was surface transmissible rather than airborne. Which meant that there was no money in making a vaccine.

Secondly, Tamiflu was found to be effective against it, so research on a new solution stalled.

MERS mostly killed Muslims, so the west wasn't really interested.

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

They are nervous, and want to ensure that if they are eventually stricken by this experimental new drug, you will be too.

LOL, it's still experimental?

Um. They’re not even out of the test phase last I checked.

The Pfizer vaccine has received full approval and has completed all phase III trials.

How long ago did you last check?

Here's the officaial word on the process:

Vaccine Testing and the Approval Process - CDC

Negative. My understanding is the FDA approved the Comirnaty vaccine that used the “same process” as the ones the world is currently being injected with.

I mean if you can show me the actual trials for Moderna and Pfizer NOT ending before ‘22 at the earliest, I’d love to see that.

Thanks in advance.

Isn't Comirnaty just a rebrand of the exact same vax?

a reply to: Identified

The job of a vaccine is not to stop a virus from entering a body. You are arguing nonsense and from now on you can do so by yourself. Its a stupid moot point to make. It means nothing.