Lets clear the Air surrounding the Sars-Cov19 " Vaccine "

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

J&J is an adenovirus vaccine encoded with the Covid Protein. Essentially it's a carrier vaccine from another virus that has had a segment of Covid added to it. It's a delivery system not an actual Covid Virus whether subunit, killed, and live-attenuated. It's also not mRNA.

I see , so it's hijacking the Cold Virus and using it to inject Covid Proteins .

Interesting , Seems like it would be more effective than mRNA.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Covid is a resparoty virus, so you cannot apply the same criteria to a vax for it as to other types of virus simply because there isn't a vax in existence that can actively prevent you from breathing in trace amounts of the virus.

We know that if you are vaccinated you are much less likely to die (See sources in my signature), less likely to need critical care (See sources in my signature), and less likely to infect other people (Source ). So by getting the vax you are not only helping to protect yourself but you are helping to protect other people.

Think of the vax as being an extra precaution. Having motion activated lights in my yard won't 100% protect me form a home invader, but it helps. Having CCTV CCTV won't 100% protect me from a home invasion, but it helps. And having a Mosberg in my hands won't 100% protect me from a home invader, but it helps. I'm protecting myself and my family.

It's the same with getting vaxed, wearing a mask, and social distancing. They're all part of my covid defence plan, just like my yard lights, CCTV and my right to shoot an intruder in the face.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Yet it's not quelled the anti-vax movement in the slightest.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Why would it be more effective? Both are getting to the same place just by two different paths.


J&J introduces the protein into your body and then your body learns how to create the blueprint.

mRNA is essentially going straight to handing your body the blueprint.

*I've simplified the explanation.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

They are nervous, and want to ensure that if they are eventually stricken by this experimental new drug, you will be too.

LOL, it's still experimental?

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
Vaccine
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases
(emphasis added)

Immunity
noun
a condition of being able to resist a particular disease

If these shots people are getting were actually vaccines no one who received them would be getting covid. That is what a vaccine does - it prevents you from being affected by a particular disease(s). There is nothing about partial immunity or immune to a lesser degree. There is no such thing. That is the "sort of pregnant" way of describing things. There is no sort of...either you are or you aren't.

The only reason this injectable treatment is being called a vaccine is because a vaccine can be mandated, a medical treatment can not.

Perhaps being trained to resist an attacker means that you will never get mugged, too?

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: Identified

Nice write up but in saying all of what you said , it turns out your wrong.

The Johnson & Johnson Vaccine is a normal Viral Vector vaccine , and I'm pretty sure China and Russia are using regular Viral Vector Vaccines.

The Astra Zaneca is also a viral vector vaccine. An mRNA one, where the mRNA is carried into the cell by a viral vector.

Additionally, the inactivated whole virus COVID-19 vaccines, like those created in China, are far less effective than the mRNA ones. They also have the disadvantage that they may foster recombinant new strains of SARS-CoV-2, just like the whole live virus does (the Omicron strain is a recombinant one).

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Identified

The problem is too many people have misunderstood what exactly a vaccine does. A vaccine does not kill a disease (or stop people from getting the disease) before it infects, a vaccine only helps your body defeat the disease after you become infected.

I should wonder how smallpox was eradicated, if people that are vaccinated get infected, show symptoms and pass the disease to others.
This is how the Covid vaccines work, according to what the authorities have been telling us.

It's how the smallpox vaccines work, too.

Also, the smallpox vaccine only lasts 3-5 years, and requires boosters.

Additionally the smallpox vaccine has a rated effectiveness of 95%, just like the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. If you wanted to define the COVID-19 vaccines as 'leaky' because they don't have 100% effectiveness, you would also have to call the smallpox vaccines just as 'leaky', and yet they have eliminated a human disease.

Smallpox Vaccine Basics - CDC

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

J&J is an adenovirus vaccine encoded with the Covid Protein. Essentially it's a carrier vaccine from another virus that has had a segment of Covid added to it. It's a delivery system not an actual Covid Virus whether subunit, killed, and live-attenuated. It's also not mRNA.

I see , so it's hijacking the Cold Virus and using it to inject Covid Proteins .

Interesting , Seems like it would be more effective than mRNA.

And yet, it just isn't, as measured in clinical trials.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut

And again. Before vaccines, the overall survival rate was something like 99.1 percent.

The survival rate has never been as high 99.1 percent. That number is BS. Usually arrived at by counting in those who have never been exposed to the virus. You wouldn't consider someone born before the second world war as a survivor of it. Normally, you have to be directly exposed to a potential danger to be considered to have survived it, so calling the unaffected "survivors" is BS.

In the USA, there have been 52,369,599 total cases. Of those cases, 816,819 have died with COVID-19 as cause of death. So, the case-fatality ratio is (816,819 / 52,369,599) x 100 = 1.5597 %. So the 'survival rate' in the USA is 98.4403 %.

It means that out of every hundred people who have tested positive for the disease, about two have died.

I am in my 4o’s. Please cite how the vaccines have increases overall survival rates from pre-vaccine rates in a statistically significant way. Outside of error of analysis. And especially for my age group.

As of December 15, in the USA, 48,233 people aged between 30 and 49 have died of COVID-19 (regardless of vaccination status). So, your age group aren't untouched by the dangers of the virus.

And the vaccines do protect from the virus and reduce its transmissibility, even though there are breakthrough cases:

How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not?

a reply to: Identified

That was a well formed response, but incorrect.

When we were young we all received polio vaccines. NONE of us got polio, regular or polio light, as it were. We received small pox vaccines. NONE of us got small pox.

Real world test: if you contract a disease, can you say you were immune to it? The answer is no, regardless of semantics.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

How does a vaccine in your body kill a virus that isn't in your body?

Vaccines work by teaching your immune system how to mount a defense the second you are infected. This slows the replication of the virus and keeps you from getting as sick as you would have if your immune system had to learn how to fight the virus as the virus multipled exponentially in your body. In many cases for vaccines where the proper boosters have been administered (like 3-4 for polio) you won't even know your body has kicked into action to fight the virus. This doesn't mean you never had the virus enter your body after you were vaccinated. In fact Polio had more than a 10% breakthrough rate.

Once enough people have the ability to quickly mount a defense before exponential replication takes place this stops the spread to others because you have to be symptomatic and have a large viral load to spread it successfully. This is the case in the US for Polio and for the world regarding Small Pox.

Polio isn't rare in the US because the vaccine is 100% effective but because most Americans never come in contact with an infected person, whereas we are all likely to come in contact with someone who has Covid fairly regularly right now.

originally posted by: nugget1
Few of the younger generation- or even the elder generation- understand how our government works, from the city to the state to the federal level. Those that do keep trying to wake up society, and nobody wants to listen. The TV tells them things are great, except for this killer virus, which they're working on, and those who say different are radical conspiracy theorists.
Who wants to see 'worst case scenario' when TV tells them just one more booster and we'll be Shangri-la again? Actually, from what I'm seeing lately people aren't listening to much of anything about what's happening in the world; it's too depressing for them to deal with, so they tune out have another beer.

To be fair I do the same thing. Just looking from the other side of the glass, unable to have a cohesive and cogent conversation like adults about all of this.

Sad really.

Cheers.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

They are nervous, and want to ensure that if they are eventually stricken by this experimental new drug, you will be too.

LOL, it's still experimental?

Um. They’re not even out of the test phase last I checked.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

They are nervous, and want to ensure that if they are eventually stricken by this experimental new drug, you will be too.

LOL, it's still experimental?

Yeah didn't you hear ?

How many Shots and boosters are we up to chr0 ? Four , Why do you think that is ?

Do we require 4 injections to inoculate us for the Flu , Smallpox or Polio or anything for that matter . ?

Seems this mRNA vaccine is not performing as advertised hints why it's STILL NOT FDA APPROVED .

Additionally, the inactivated whole virus COVID-19 vaccines, like those created in China, are far less effective than the mRNA ones. They also have the disadvantage that they may foster recombinant new strains of SARS-CoV-2, just like the whole live virus does (the Omicron strain is a recombinant one).

a reply to: chr0naut

your kidding right?

Omicron is CLEARLY a recombinant strain resulting from mRNA vaccines.

a reply to: Identified

You went from well formed reason to babbling garbage.

Did the polio vaccine kill polio outside the body? Or the small pox vaccine? Or any other freaking vaccine that actually worked?

NO.

Being exposed to covid doesn't mean you have covid. It means you were exposed. Nothing more. If the vaccine works, nothing happens to you. If the vaccine doesn't work you likely get the disease. People that are fully vaccinated are not just getting the disease, they are dying from it. Does that sound like a less severe case? Does that, in any way, sound like a vaccine that is working?

A vaccine provides immunity. A treatment, if you are lucky, reduces the severity of the symptoms. You tell me: which is a more accurate name for these injections?

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

You have to get a new Influenza vaccine every year to accommodate the protein spike mutations and still the average year the vaccine is only 60% effective against the prevalent strain.

The Polio Vaccine is currently 4 shots done at the ages of 2 months, 4 months, 6-18 months and then again between the ages of 4 and 6 years. If you travel to countries that still have outbreaks then they recommend a booster.

Most vaccines require more than 1. Please, familiarize yourself with the Vaccination Schedule.
www.cdc.gov...

The Covid mRNA is performing about as well as many other vaccines we have been using and working on for decades considering how quickly Covid is mutating.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

We are not discussing what you think is the appropriate name for a Vaccine. The point was a Vaccine never has stopped a virus from entering the body. Period.

Do you think having immunity stops the virus from entering your nose, mouth, eyes, lungs, bloodstream? Does it convey some magical forcefield around your body? No! It only works once you are infected. It is still infecting people because that is what a virus does when it enters a body. Claiming, as you did in your other post, that people received the Polio or Small Pox vaccine and never got infected doesn't make and sense.

Vaccines teach your immune system to fight a disease so the next time your body sees that virus your immune cells recognise it right away and jump into action. If your immune system reacts quickly enough then you won't ever feel sick and you won't be able to pass the illness on. You were still infected with the virus even if you didn't realize it. What you didn't do was pass it to someone else.

People who are dying after vaccine could have any number of things wrong with their immune system aside from the simple fact that no Vaccine is 100% safe from breakthrough.

There is proof the world over that those vaccinated are not dying at the same rates as those who are not vaccinated. There is also proof the world over that the vaccinated who have breakthrough symptoms have a much lower viral load in a far shorter time frame. This is why the CDC has just lowered the quarantine times for vaccinated people. These are measurable values.

ou have to get a new Influenza vaccine every year to accommodate the protein spike mutations and still the average year the vaccine is only 60% effective against the prevalent strain.

a reply to: Identified

Yes a single Vaccine each year to accommodate for mutations , but not 4 in one year like the mRNA.

The Polio Vaccine is currently 4 shots done at the ages of 2 months, 4 months, 6-18 months and then again between the ages of 4 and 6 years. If you travel to countries that still have outbreaks then they recommend a booster.

Your right my mistake , I do remember several boosters for polio when I was young.

And lets compare POLIO to COVID ... Polio cripples you for life eventually killing you and Covid is a simple respiratory virus .

Most vaccines require more than 1. Please, familiarize yourself with the Vaccination Schedule. www.cdc.gov...

Wrong , I've had the Small Pox vaccine it was one shot , I've had the Hep B vaccine again it was one shot , Matter of fact I've had all sorts of vaccines from my time in the Military and they were all one injection .

The Flu Vaccine was once a year and completely unnecessary , I've had the Flu once in my life when I was young and I've never had it again sense .

The Covid mRNA is performing about as well as many other vaccines we have been using and working on for decades considering how quickly Covid is mutating.

That is not true at all mate , 4 mRNA boosters in one year to try and contain Covid-19 is not an example of performing well . Not to mention these vaccines have been responsible for thousands of deaths and this is not easy information to find but it is out there.