Stop using the term 'Anti Vaxx'

Medically speaking immunity is NOT the same as protection.
C'mon dude, that's Clintonspeak
If you're immune you don't need protection.
You need protection if your not immune.
Uh..that's why they said if you are vaccinated you no longer need to wear a mask..remember?
Then they said..woops, you better keep that mask on.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: fringeofthefringe
You do realize that I linked the post and quoted where I conceded that point, on the previous page?

Immunity and protection are synonyms, the old definition and the new would have fit the mrna vaccines either way. What part of that are you having trouble with?

a reply to: fringeofthefringe
Actually, it is. Someone who has immunity is protected from that disease.

Your argument is moot, as I have said many times already.

ETA: Honestly, I think they changed it because people had the notion that immunity was some type of magical shield, like what you seem to be saying, when it really is just protection offered by an immune system that has been previously exposed to a pathogen.

If someone is protected, like by a mask or 6 feet, does that mean their immune?

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: fringeofthefringe
Actually, it is. Someone who has immunity is protected from that disease.

Your argument is moot, as I have said many times already.

ETA: Honestly, I think they changed it because people had the notion that immunity was some type of magical shield, like what you seem to be saying, when it really is just protection offered by an immune system that has been previously exposed to a pathogen.

a reply to: fringeofthefringe
No, but those don't have to do with the immune system while mrna jabs do.

Different context, you are clutching at straws.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
Too funny so the vaccines, which began being administered in Dec of 2020 has shown zero decrease in our infection and death rates...wait in fact the infection and death rates have gone up and you think that the vaccines are working...
Oh boy, how do you function each day?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
The year is not even over yet...get your head out of your ass.The vaccines started being administered in December of 2020

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

The actual research overwhelmingly shows the benefits of vaccination. Claiming otherwise is the lie.

Riddle me this batman;
Why have there been more deaths from covid-19 in 2021 with the vaccine roll-out (free donuts and gift cards)
Than in 2020 without a vaccine?

Que the jeopardy music....

a reply to: ScepticScot

Because the virus wasn't here around for the full year in 2020, and certainly not as well spread.

Stricter restrictions in 2020.

Vaccine roll out takes time so well in to 2021 before the majority vaccinated.

Not really much of a riddle.

Started yes.

Saying that changes absolutely nothing about my post.

Aready covered in my previous post and your claims are wrong.

Lol, I think you should quit while you're behind.
That's a mighty big hole your digging.
Hooray I'm protected/immune wearing my mask...daskakik said so...hooray the pandemic is over..all we have to do is wear a mask and stay 6 feet apart and we're immune or protected either way because those two words are synonyms, they mean the same thing.
Lol

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: fringeofthefringe
No, but those don't have to do with the immune system while mrna jabs do.

Different context, you are clutching at straws.

originally posted by: shaemac
I will repeat again.

YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF A WORD.

You cannot change what the word WOMAN or MAN means.
You cannot change what the word VACCINE means.

You cannot change the definition of words to fit your own f'd up narrative.

PICK A NEW WORD.

These injections are NOT vaccinations. They do NOT contain dead or living organisms of the virus.

Words change meaning all the time.

In the case if vaccines technology has changed but the principle remains the same

a reply to: fringeofthefringe
Lame, I never said they were protected by a mask or 6 feet distance, I answered your what if by pointing out that they are different contexts, not that your proposal was true.

Between you and daskakik, you both have lost your way.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
Too funny so the vaccines, which began being administered in Dec of 2020 has shown zero decrease in our infection and death rates...wait in fact the infection and death rates have gone up and you think that the vaccines are working...
Oh boy, how do you function each day?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
The year is not even over yet...get your head out of your ass.The vaccines started being administered in December of 2020

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

The actual research overwhelmingly shows the benefits of vaccination. Claiming otherwise is the lie.

Riddle me this batman;
Why have there been more deaths from covid-19 in 2021 with the vaccine roll-out (free donuts and gift cards)
Than in 2020 without a vaccine?

Que the jeopardy music....

a reply to: ScepticScot

Because the virus wasn't here around for the full year in 2020, and certainly not as well spread.

Stricter restrictions in 2020.

Vaccine roll out takes time so well in to 2021 before the majority vaccinated.

Not really much of a riddle.

Started yes.

Saying that changes absolutely nothing about my post.

Aready covered in my previous post and your claims are wrong.

In the case if vaccines technology has changed but the principle remains the sam

And what principle is that?

a reply to: ScepticScot

a reply to: fringeofthefringe
Can't refute the points so you have to go after the players instead of the ball?

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
And what principle is that?

Preparing the immune system to identify and deal with an infection by a particular pathogen.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

In the case if vaccines technology has changed but the principle remains the sam

And what principle is that?

a reply to: ScepticScot

That they prepare your immune system to fight a virus or bacteria.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
Between you and daskakik, you both have lost your way.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
Too funny so the vaccines, which began being administered in Dec of 2020 has shown zero decrease in our infection and death rates...wait in fact the infection and death rates have gone up and you think that the vaccines are working...
Oh boy, how do you function each day?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
The year is not even over yet...get your head out of your ass.The vaccines started being administered in December of 2020

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

The actual research overwhelmingly shows the benefits of vaccination. Claiming otherwise is the lie.

Riddle me this batman;
Why have there been more deaths from covid-19 in 2021 with the vaccine roll-out (free donuts and gift cards)
Than in 2020 without a vaccine?

Que the jeopardy music....

a reply to: ScepticScot

Because the virus wasn't here around for the full year in 2020, and certainly not as well spread.

Stricter restrictions in 2020.

Vaccine roll out takes time so well in to 2021 before the majority vaccinated.

Not really much of a riddle.

Started yes.

Saying that changes absolutely nothing about my post.

Aready covered in my previous post and your claims are wrong.

Not even slightly.

Went right over your head.

If, as you say, that immune and protection are in fact synonymous ... then something that offers you protection like a mask then it's also offering you immunity to the virus. That is what synonymous means dude, unless you changed the definition of synonymous.
LOL!!

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: fringeofthefringe
Lame, I never said they were protected by a mask or 6 feet distance, I answered your what if by pointing out that they are different contexts, not that your proposal was true.

a reply to: fringeofthefringe
They are in fact synonyms but then you also have context.

It isn't that hard of a concept to grasp.

To trigger your immune system, many vaccines inject a weakened or inactivated germ from the virus into our bodies. But mRNA technology instead teaches our cells how to make a protein, or even just a piece of it, that will help our immune systems respond.

www.verywellhealth.com...


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An mRNA vaccine doesn't actually contain the virus itself.

Ya sure about that?

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
And what principle is that?

Preparing the immune system to identify and deal with an infection by a particular pathogen.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
Ya sure about that?

To trigger your immune system, many vaccines inject a weakened or inactivated germ from the virus into our bodies. But mRNA technology instead teaches our cells how to make a protein, or even just a piece of it, that will help our immune systems respond.

Yeah, that is what that bolded bit you quoted says.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

In the case if vaccines technology has changed but the principle remains the sam

And what principle is that?

a reply to: ScepticScot

That something is introduced to your body that stimulates its natural defenses without actually infecting you, so when or if your body encounters the actual virus in the wild it will know what to do and you will have some level of protection against it.

Let's be honest, when I was a child we had "vaccinations" and "Inoculations" and we had other words used to describe things like convalescent plasma that I can't even remember now.

These days, everything gets called a "vaccination" if it fulfils the same basic function, and splitting hairs only really serves one purpose, and that's to sow division.

At the end of the day whether something uses mRNA to trigger the production of spike proteins, or if it uses a killed version of the virus, or if it uses weird alien technology right out of a science fiction movie, if the end effect is the same does it matter what we call it?

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

When you say that medicines that have been administered more than 7.5 billion times, and that has been in worldwide public use for about a year, is untested, what would you call that?

The changing of the definition of a word, does not change the biological effects of a medicine. Your suggestion that 'they' should not change the word definition of "vaccine" to accommodate new technologies, is silly. A word definition does not change the real-world function of anything.

Clearly, you are against several specific vaccines, and your disagreements seem based on invalid reasoning, what would you call that?