Why Does Biological, Organic Life Exist in a Universe that is Inorganic ?

a reply to: Xtrozero
Yes, I truly believe our species will never reach full comprehension of reality.

originally posted by: Grenade

Show a singular example of me stating I hold any Christian belief, or any religious belief for that matter in my 20 years of posting history.

People like you should think before they speak.

It doesn't matter... once you throw in the whole you need religion for morals is a totally different discussion. Saying that then that means you are reading some form of religious works to get your morals from, are you not? The Bible is pretty standard in the Western world.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Only a fool would attempt to speculate or comment on 600 million years of planetary biology. Our current fossil record which you put so much faith in is far from complete or reliable.

originally posted by: cooperton
Because it has been proven time and time again that these various processes are literally impossible in terms of thermodynamics. The only part that is thermodynamically favorable is monomer production.

Say that a million times more still doesn't make it a true statement. It has not been proven impossible as it has not been proven either way yet. Your faith says it is impossible...

a reply to: Xtrozero

No, Good and Evil are forces. You don’t need a book to tell you something is wrong.

I have my own personal Jesus, it’s called a self reflective conscience. I’d love science to explain where it comes from, or consciousness for that matter. Philosophically you could argue science is nothing but perception. Without eyes do photons even exist and if so why?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Just like the existence of God.

originally posted by: Grenade

Or the instructions on how to develop into a monkey.

That isn't how evolution works. it is either predetermined or not. If not then life goes in whatever direction forces take it. If an asteroid didn't hit the earth to replace the reptiles with mammals we would not be here as an example.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Allegedly and according to your acceptance of theory.

originally posted by: Grenade

No, I’m stating that out of these trillions of life supporting planets and objects in space not one of them has ever been shown to have life outside of Earth. Organic compounds are not the same thing as intelligent life. The thing with building blocks is you generally need to place them with design in order to create structure.

So why does an intelligent design need to manually place building blocks and not just establish a process within its creation for life to form and flourish? My point is with or without God the universe could operate the same way. The odds of life in our universe are 100%...

originally posted by: Grenade

Only a fool would attempt to speculate or comment on 600 million years of planetary biology. Our current fossil record which you put so much faith in is far from complete or reliable.

So when did life start on earth in your opinion?

originally posted by: Grenade

Just like the existence of God.

I never said there is no God. I have said it is an unfalsifiable problem, just as what is outside our universe is another. I have said that I don't see a need for God in the process and if there was God then life would not be predetermined.

originally posted by: Grenade

Allegedly and according to your acceptance of theory.

My statement was a question of whether life is predetermined or not. Were you predetermined or not?

a reply to: Xtrozero

It’s unknown. There could have been entire civilisations buried under miles of rock.

Remember your scientists told us the universe was 13.8 billion years old. New observations seem to cast doubt on the very fundamentals of our understanding. How long before the Big Bang theory is relegated to history as a primitive and foolish attempt at understanding creation? In my lifetime I expect.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yes, all energy in the universe can only change state and seemingly at the beginning of existence a singular point of energy. That means I’ve always existed although only now manifested as this being. Something along those lines. From my perspective it’s quite clear there’s something akin to Sheldrakes proposed morphic resonance when it comes to evolution. I evolved from day 1 of creation and here I am, I suspect that I’m a manifestation of some eternal energy that requires specific conditions for existence. But I can’t prove any of that, it’s just an opinion.
The same as yours.

The theory I identify mostly with as to creation is probably the simulation theory. In which case our creator would be a programmer, human or otherwise. Still they would fit the description of God. Evolution could be nothing more than a self improving AI powered algorithm.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You’re making some bold and outlandish claims right there. I’ll leave you to it as clearly there’s no room for compromise in your opinion. You’re more than entitled to it, just don’t come barking around my right to do the same.

Out of curiosity, the scientific community you keep praising. How would you rate their liability, response and technological solutions to the pandemic?

To me it just brought into focus how our scientific community are now beholden to the will of Academia and the power brokers with the deepest pockets. Science these days is driven by profit, not discovery.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Xtrozero

It’s unknown. There could have been entire civilisations buried under miles of rock.

Remember your scientists told us the universe was 13.8 billion years old. New observations seem to cast doubt on the very fundamentals of our understanding. How long before the Big Bang theory is relegated to history as a primitive and foolish attempt at understanding creation? In my lifetime I expect.

I was talking about life in general. If we are talking about advanced civilizations in the far past then it would not have been human in any way, and only we have gone to the moon.

originally posted by: Grenade

The theory I identify mostly with as to creation is probably the simulation theory. In which case our creator would be a programmer, human or otherwise. Still, they would fit the description of God. Evolution could be nothing more than a self-improving AI-powered algorithm.

I don't have an issue with that other than to say...well who created them? That kind of goes down a never-ending rabbit hole other than to just suggest they have always been to explain it away.

I also ask the question do we really need them in the first place if life was just a natural process of this universe? The fact we can't explain it all yet doesn't mean we instantly suggest intelligent design.

We created the term life as an abstract thought to describe a complex chemical process. I really think the universe sees "life" as just a massive chemical process that works within the laws of our universe and is not as special as we think it is.

originally posted by: Grenade

You’re making some bold and outlandish claims right there. I’ll leave you to it as clearly there’s no room for compromise in your opinion. You’re more than entitled to it, just don’t come barking around my right to do the same.

I asked why would a god not build a functional process of life within his model that just runs. You can call it an AI program, but it seems it would not be as many suggest that God needed to provide the spark of life. As I said before, I see the universe with or without intelligent design to operate exactly the same way.

originally posted by: Grenade

No, Good and Evil are forces. You don’t need a book to tell you something is wrong.

Then you don't need God to tell you either if it is inherent. Good and Evil are also abstract words we created to explain an action. One person's evil is another person's good, for example.