Why Does Biological, Organic Life Exist in a Universe that is Inorganic ?

Give one reason, any reason, for the occurrence of biological life in a universe that shows no signs of organic life in its infrastructure.

Please don't take the easy way out and say random chance occurrence - Unless you can show how a random chance occurrence can produce
an organic life form that can breathe and reproduce,

Let me make clear this is a 'I want to know' post - I have no particular agenda and am not trying to advocate a Creationist or Evolutionary viewpoint.

So please use facts and not wishfull thinking.

If you start with a physical Universe that does not have biological or organic lfe in it - What are the odds of living, breathing, breeding
biological life forms occurring

Very simple. God.

If we combined the knowledge of every human being that ever existed it would still be miniscule in comparison to what we don't know or understand.

As a Christian with Buddhist DNA, my belief is that the mystery is by design.

a reply to: AlienView

You've self-discovered emergence?

Funny how we can go so long and just discover things on our own even though others have already discovered it long before us.

I finally realized the other day that reasoning is purposing.

a reply to: AlienView

Rather than writing a long screed about this I found a pretty good article on the various processes that could have started things off.

New Scientist article

a reply to: AlienView

First you'd have to define the "Universe".
In an infinite Universe everything is not just probable, but absolutely possible.

originally posted by: Kreeate
a reply to: AlienView

First you'd have to define the "Universe".
In an infinite Universe everything is not just probable, but absolutely possible.

There is an old occult saying:

"Anything is possible - But nothing is certain"

a reply to: AlienView

In a word, God.

Seems logical intelligent systems would be the result of intelligence.

a reply to: AlienView
But the Universe is big and earth is small

And you don't even know if earth is an organic and breathing entity

In fact, I would say historically most people have believed that to be the case

She has many names

Organic life is a virus in an otherwise sterile environment.

a reply to: wdkirk

I don't like that view - Unfortunately you can't rule it out !

"God" is just another way of saying "we don't know".

But organic compounds appear to be quite common in this tiny part of the universe (ie our galaxy, which is to the universe what a grain of sand is to a beach). One of the reasons for assuming life may be relatively common. So I think the OP's question is a bit of a straw man?

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: AlienView

In a word, God.

Seems logical intelligent systems would be the result of intelligence.

A 'classic' explanation - Still if such a supernatural being exists, which still remains to be proven
- He must have an agenda and millenniums of history, religions and agendas have yet to establish
what the agenda is.

a reply to: AlienView

Indeed, i don't adhere to any religion, just the concept of creation.

This is a great question. There are countless biochemical hurdles along the way, which even intelligent scientists are puzzled regarding how they would be by-passed.

Take for example amino acids. Biological Proteins and enzymes are made of amino acid chains. In order for these chains to form spontaneously, you would need an extremely acidic environment (this is why they assume the oceans were acidic at one point). Yet, even if there were very acidic oceans, you would immediately run into a cache 22 in the next step of the reaction.

Proteins needs to be folded properly so that they function properly. Proteins will denature, meaning they will lose their function, if they are in an acidic environment. Even acidophiles, the most acid-resilient organisms known on the planet, must maintain an internal pH that is close to water in order for their Proteins to function.

So even if the theoretical acidic ocean (which has no basis in empirical fact) were present to make amino acid chains, the subsequent Proteins would be denatured and useless in an acidic environment.

This doesn't even take into consideration that you need specific bond locations for these amino acids to make a coherent polymer, which must be facilitated by translation proteins in a living organism. There is also the difficulty in making these amino acids polymerize into a useful sequence to form a working protein! And remember, Proteins don't work if they're in an acidic environment

So this small step of MANY necessities is enough already to demonstrate random chance did not create biochemical life.

originally posted by: Kreeate

In an infinite Universe everything is not just probable, but absolutely possible.

So God is absolutely existent, even in your viewpoint

a reply to: AlienView

On what criteria are you judging the difference between 'organic' and 'inorganic'?

a reply to: AlienView

Give one reason, any reason, for the occurrence of biological life in a universe that shows no signs of organic life in its infrastructure.

The Universe is full of organic compounds and none organic compounds required for the creation of life , stars create much of the stuff we are made from so it seems the Universe is set up for the creation of life.

Ok by definition if the carbon atom exists in something it is generally called an organic molecule. Carbon is naturally occurring throughout the universe and is created during a nova event of a star IIRC. The "common building block" theory tells us that if another planet with similar conditions as Earth/Terra it is very likely that planet will produce organic life. Will it look like life on Earth? Quite unlikely as we see animals isolated on islands develop their own species with different characteristics. Will those be similar to Earth species? Yes, they will and things like photosynthesis of plants will occur, and mammals verses marsupials might be a thing there also. Other species that died out here might dominate there.

originally posted by: Kreeate
a reply to: AlienView

First you'd have to define the "Universe".
In an infinite Universe everything is not just probable, but absolutely possible.

That would mean the flying "spaghetti monster" exists as well...

a reply to: AlienView

Give one reason, any reason, for the occurrence of biological life in a universe that shows no signs of organic life in its infrastructure.

The premise, and therefore the question, is flawed. We are a self-centered, narrow-minded, arrogant little species living on a speck of dust circling a flaming ball in a universe so big we can't imagine, let alone define its parameters. Our perspective from this speck of dust is laughably limited in scope and yet we have determined what the infrastructure of the universe is.

If you start with a physical Universe that does not have biological or organic life in it - What are the odds of living, breathing, breeding biological life forms occurring

This is a gross assumption. We don't know if the universe started with no life. It may have been there from the beginning and life in the universe may be the rule rather than the exception. For all of our wonderful discoveries, our sciences are infantile at best, and rightly so. We haven't been around very long. We have a LONG way to go before we start determining what's possible and what isn't on a universal scale.

originally posted by: cooperton
So God is absolutely existent, even in your viewpoint

No.

A supreme being is possible. Your biblical, jealous, petty, unjust, unforgiving, vindictive, bloodthirsty, misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, narcissistic, illogical god is not.