Alec Baldwin Shooting Victim was wife of Latham-Watkins Lawyer, Clintoncide?

a reply to: interupt42

wheewwwww thanks

for a minute there i thought it was all real and true 🎃😱

a reply to: vonclod

I don't feel like this one fits the "Clinton" deaths, but it's really, really hard to discount those all as "coincidence".

Feel Free

This is good too lol
a reply to: TheRedneck

originally posted by: EA006
Lol, no straight answer.

As far as I know he isn't. Feel better now?

Gematria isn't stupid.

No, you're right, let me rephrase, it's stupid AND retarded.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: vonclod

As for Baldwin, if the pistol was loaded with dummies, I cant fault him, he was handed a pistol, that was to appear loaded.

You forget, he was a producer. This was his set. He is responsible.

The only legal way out of that is to prove that this was a conspiracy that happened completely behind his back, despite him doing due diligence to keep the set safe. Two previous mistakes does not support that.

I will be happy if this incident starts a movement that forces all actors who handle weapons in their films to get some good education on them. That will also shut most of them up about gun control; kill two birds with one shot (pun intended).

TheRedneck

I hear what you are saying, but the boss pretty much has his hands full, I don't think they generally do that, especially when he is unqualified..thats why they hire the applicable people/professionals..it's their sole job on set! and lots of those people milling around production sets..I guess it depends on the budget, It's the same with most trades. It is his production though, so some responsibility for sure.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: vonclod

I don't feel like this one fits the "Clinton" deaths, but it's really, really hard to discount those all as "coincidence".

I agree!

Noted

a reply to: TheRedneck

originally posted by: CrazyFox
Alec is the one who is in charge of the entire film it is his movie.
If the person he hired (scab) did not properly check the weapon Alec is responsible because he hired him.
This could be considered a double win for some. Antagonist dead, gun grab coming.
Alec cries about gun safety on TV showing remorse for the woman he killed how it was an accident and how everyone should just turn in their guns for safety (even though he used it unsafely and seems to be getting off scott free.)
a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

I didn't know Alec Baldwin was a Producer on the film until i read it yesterday evening.

Anyways it seems production were cutting corners and not getting experienced people on board!

a reply to: vonclod

We have to determine, how they discern live from dummy. If Baldwin was handed a revolver that was supposed to appear loaded..it appeared loaded. I'm completely guessing they might use a spent casing, and just crimp a slug on, so the primer remains, but struck. Even that might be sketchy, your armourer better know their stuff. I'm not giving him a complete pass, but we need more info.

I already have that information. I have been reloading for a long, long, long time.

The difference between a live round and a dummy round (not a blank) is the primer. The whole point of a dummy round is to look exactly like a live round. So it's not feasible to paint them a bright color or anything like that. The primer, however, is replaced by an inert substance (candle wax, a plastic plug, etc.; some individuals even use spent primers). That substance is usually brightly colored to distinguish a dummy round from a live round.

Now, I took some shots of a revolver belonging to an unnamed individual I may or may not know.It just happens to be a Taurus Judge, which fires .45 Colt (the shells which were apparently used in this case) and/or .410 shotshells. Please forgive my poor photography skills, but here's what the gun looks like fully loaded:
As you can see, the shooter cannot see the primers. Almost every revolver is built this way. That piece of metal blocking the view keeps the shells in their proper place. Now, it is possible on this model (as with most) to see the primers from the side:
But, as you can see, you cannot see ALL the primers! Only the ones on that side, and not the one in the chamber (the one in line with the barrel). But there is an easy way to see the primers:
Just open the cylinder. All the shells are there, and all the primers are in plain view. Since a dummy round can only be identified by the color/appearance of the primer, this is the only way to ensure the gun is actually loaded with what one expects it to be loaded with. the caliber of each round is even embossed on the casing surrounding the priimer, although it is small and can't really be made out in that pic. The operation to open and close the cylinder literally takes less than a second each. Even a newbie could easily open the cylinder, check the shells, and close it again in under ten seconds. It is literally that easy.

Now, some older models of revolver were built so the cylinder didn't open. These had a loading port that forced the user to load one shell at a time. I don't know for certain which type was used, but those single-load revolvers are pretty rare and collector's pieces. Unless someone can show me different, I am assuming that the cylinder opened.

This is why we have been talking about the necessity of checking the weapon personally before using it. If Alec Baldwin had opened the cylinder, verified that the primers looked like blank primers, closed it, and this had happened, he would be guiltless IMO. He did not do that. He refused to take 2 seconds to make sure he would not take a life. That is the very definition of negligence.

Even if the loader had used spent primers, I placed a spent shell at the top position in that last pic. See the dimple in the middle? That is a load which cannot fire. The primer has already fired once, and once is all they do.

Hopefully that will clear things up.

TheRedneck

Understood, glad to hear you are keeping up with the "story."
Have we seen a body yet?
Trust nothing from story land.
This stinks of a different agenda.
Cover up?
a couple pages ago
If there is video footage of the shooting it would clear up a lot of these unanswered questions.
Like the one that keeps on going thru my mind is "How do we know any of this happened like is being told"
After years of lies and fake news (which was around long before someone coined it.
1994 Was when I first learned. The Class? "Introduction to Mass Media")
a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

a reply to: vonclod

How about 45/70

Slightly more massive bullets available, but a little less velocity with them if I remember correctly (I don't have my reloading manual open in front of me). Should be close to the same.

The 45/70 uses .45 caliber bullets just like a .45 Colt or .45 ACP. The difference is in the size of the casing and thus the amount of powder behind it. It's the same with the .444 Marlin versus the .45 Magnum or .45 Special. A few of the hotter .45 caliber rounds actually use a .46 caliber bullet (the same as the .460 Weatherby Magnum, aka the "elephant gun"), but I don't think the 45/70 is among those. There are a lot more shell types than there are bullet sizes.

TheRedneck

a reply to: CrazyFox

If she was hit in the chest with a .45 Colt at close range, I for one do not want to see the body. I'll be quite satisfied with a coroner's report, thank you very much.

TheRedneck

There was a picture of it, if the picture was the gun in question was indeed a single action colt, as you you know the cylinder is fixed, but you just put it on half cock, open the loading gate, and you can rotate the cylinder to inspect..so, I agree it could of been checked.

I understand the struck primer, my dad gunsmithed, had a lot of guns, I shot every week as a kid, nowdays I shoot high pressure airguns, I go so far as matching the fps, my main shoots with the grain of pellets, the gun is adjustable velocity, and I use a chronograph, some pellets(lighter) don't work well with higher velocities, they boat tail. I love tinkering with that kind of stuff.

a reply to: TheRedneck
I saw a 45/70 derringer on youtube the other day..lol Top barrel 45/70, bottom .410 shotshell. Obviously made just because!

a reply to: vonclod

Well, I wrote all that for the general readership, not just for you. There are some here who are apparently quite unfamiliar with ballistics in general.

Yes, with a fixed cylinder, one need only open the port, pull back the hammer to half-cocked, and spin the cylinder to see all the primers. Takes a little longer, but not much, still under 30 seconds. The real reason for the open cylinder was to speed loading more than speed up inspection. Loading one of those things can be a pain.

Never used a chronograph, but I can usually tell if a round is not moving smoothly. There's a marked decrease in accuracy. Someone I may or may not know owns a Thompson Center Contender with a 30-30 16" barrel, but loads specifically for that gun. The bullets come out with almost identical velocity to a 30-06 using a specific compressed load. I had to tweak those loads quite a bit to get past an area of instability until the accuracy returned.

Of course, I am fanatical about keeping those particular loads in a special box marked "Compressed; T/C Only!" They would likely damage a normal 30-30. The T/C can handle them.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: CrazyFox

If she was hit in the chest with a .45 Colt at close range, I for one do not want to see the body. I'll be quite satisfied with a coroner's report, thank you very much.

TheRedneck

Something like this?

a reply to: vonclod

Oh, great... now I want one! Thanks a lot!

TheRedneck

a reply to: Bigburgh

Hard to tell the caliber from that photo. It does look like a fixed cylinder design though. Probably single-action.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: vonclod

Oh, great... now I want one! Thanks a lot!

TheRedneck

It was on Kentucky Ballistics channel.

a reply to: TheRedneck
My friend had a Contender, really cool gun!