Alec Baldwin Shooting Victim was wife of Latham-Watkins Lawyer, Clintoncide?

originally posted by: ClintonCide
Who funded the movie "Rust"?
Bondit Media Capital.
Who is distributor?
Buffalo 8 company.
And Buffalo 8 also distributing a documentary about Roderick Webber AKA Rod Webber who is the guy who wrote "Epstein Didnt Kill Himself" on the wall of that banana art show called Art Basel. It is called "2020 The Dumpster Fire." This is not a coincidence.

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Webber writes on his own blog about going to Epstein's mansion to tell everyone he did not kill himself by writing it in grafitti. Also I think they made him pretend to go against Trump with blackmail.

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a reply to: elementalgrove

Now isn't this interesting!

Thank you for this , I have never heard of Rod Webber, time to head down the rabbit hole a bit further!

Love the username!

a reply to: TheRedneck
3 levels of failure

Thank you
It is not hard to look on his blog and see that they are doing blood sacrifices and are proud of it.
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Alex Jones talks about Webber and his group being members of Antifa and has that on his twitter too.

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a reply to: elementalgrove

She apparently has shared stuff on the Clinton's crime spree and that is enough from our lessons in History of people with "stuff on the Clinton's" who end up dying in fantastic "suicides". At least one with multiple bullet holes in the back of the head but not a drop of blood.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: gb540

originally posted by: xuenchen
Has any credible official statement been made as to WHY a real hand gun was even where it was ????

And then handed to somebody with obviously no experience or qualification?

It doesn't take 13 weeks at Parris Island to master this, but if everyone who touched the firearm had the basics this would have been 100% preventable.

So either a tragic avoidable accident. Or someone saw cracks and an opportunity...

That is assuming it WAS an accident. Coincidences are adding up to it was on purpose 100% IMO. It is not easy to mess up common sense and point a loaded explosive device at someone and pull the trigger. It takes a real ass hole to do that. Ego or not he was a dumb ass at minimum and a murderer most likely it appears with each peace of data that is available.

Where is the motive? You think it was 100% on purpose? Based on stuff you read on the web?

I do hope you never get to sit on a jury!

What do you base your information on NYT, CNN, CBS??? ABC, FOX or MSNBC( BS NBC)?

Who do we trust since you think you know all the sources that are trustworthy?


I think you are going to answer one of those liar types we can prove are liars.



In fact we have no one to trust and someone on the internet is at least as good as all I listed when it is said and done.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

So, how is Baldwin criminally liable? If this is true, it was Hall who was.

He who holds the gun has the responsibility. Period. Hall (and the armorer) are guilty of extreme negligence and abetting. All three need to be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Anyone else involved would likely be charged with a serious misdemeanor.

All I seem to hear on here is he is a leftie PoS so he is guilty and needs prison.

I believe I have been pretty consistent. Alec Baldwin, Dave Halls, and the armorer (cannot remember her name right off) should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. I guarantee you if this were someone not famous, they would be. I am looking for justice... that may be an outdated concept for some, but I still believe in it.

If he'd been a Trump supporter this thread would, I suspect, be a lot shorter.

I do not control thread length, but my position would be the exact same no matter who it was. This is not about politics, dammit! Not everything is about politics! Halyna Hutchins probably was a liberal, but I promise you, her blood was not blue when Baldwin spilled it. It was red, it was warm, and it drained from her as she faded away.

DAMN YOUR POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE!

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I do not control thread length, but my position would be the exact same no matter who it was. This is not about politics, dammit! Not everything is about politics! Halyna Hutchins probably was a liberal, but I promise you, her blood was not blue when Baldwin spilled it. It was red, it was warm, and it drained from her as she faded away.

DAMN YOUR POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE!

We need an applause emoji!!!

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

So were going to follow the line that Baldwin is absolved of culpability and that lies upon the armorer?

Well.....ok then.

Who is his boss?
Who hired him.

The answer may shock you

a reply to: JinMI

I agree... let's get the really big fish, not a poor actor. The guy in charge of the set should be drawn and quartered!


TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

In a crazy twist, I believe Baldwin may have inadvertently gave the NRA a few more years worth of revenue and complete legitimacy for firearm education.

Hey, how come no one is referring to the gun as a firearm?

a reply to: JinMI

Wait, wait, wait... considering the problem with guns is a lack of safety education, are you saying one of biggest supporters of gun control is going to help eliminate the need for gun control?

Maybe there's a miracle hidden inside all of this tragedy.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Silver lining!

Isn't it also interesting that the folks who use firearms to support their movies don't support firearms? And that one of the more vocal anti gun people suffers and makes others suffer due to their ignorance of said firearms?

Clown world delves to new depths.

elementalgrove.... found this today and thought it might interest you.....



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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

So, how is Baldwin criminally liable? If this is true, it was Hall who was.

He who holds the gun has the responsibility. Period. Hall (and the armorer) are guilty of extreme negligence and abetting. All three need to be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Anyone else involved would likely be charged with a serious misdemeanor.

All I seem to hear on here is he is a leftie PoS so he is guilty and needs prison.

I believe I have been pretty consistent. Alec Baldwin, Dave Halls, and the armorer (cannot remember her name right off) should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. I guarantee you if this were someone not famous, they would be. I am looking for justice... that may be an outdated concept for some, but I still believe in it.

If he'd been a Trump supporter this thread would, I suspect, be a lot shorter.

I do not control thread length, but my position would be the exact same no matter who it was. This is not about politics, dammit! Not everything is about politics! Halyna Hutchins probably was a liberal, but I promise you, her blood was not blue when Baldwin spilled it. It was red, it was warm, and it drained from her as she faded away.

DAMN YOUR POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE!

TheRedneck

Damn my political perspective?

Read my posts.

Then read all the others banging on about Baldwin being a a leftie who deserves to be raped in prison, etc.

This thread, in case you hadn't noticed, has been infested with politics. Not down to me, though.

Look elsewhere.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Yes, damn your political perspective.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Yes, damn your political perspective.

TheRedneck

Which one?

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: vonclod

We have to determine, how they discern live from dummy. If Baldwin was handed a revolver that was supposed to appear loaded..it appeared loaded. I'm completely guessing they might use a spent casing, and just crimp a slug on, so the primer remains, but struck. Even that might be sketchy, your armourer better know their stuff. I'm not giving him a complete pass, but we need more info.

I already have that information. I have been reloading for a long, long, long time.

The difference between a live round and a dummy round (not a blank) is the primer. The whole point of a dummy round is to look exactly like a live round. So it's not feasible to paint them a bright color or anything like that. The primer, however, is replaced by an inert substance (candle wax, a plastic plug, etc.; some individuals even use spent primers). That substance is usually brightly colored to distinguish a dummy round from a live round.

Now, I took some shots of a revolver belonging to an unnamed individual I may or may not know.It just happens to be a Taurus Judge, which fires .45 Colt (the shells which were apparently used in this case) and/or .410 shotshells. Please forgive my poor photography skills, but here's what the gun looks like fully loaded:

As you can see, the shooter cannot see the primers. Almost every revolver is built this way. That piece of metal blocking the view keeps the shells in their proper place. Now, it is possible on this model (as with most) to see the primers from the side:

But, as you can see, you cannot see ALL the primers! Only the ones on that side, and not the one in the chamber (the one in line with the barrel). But there is an easy way to see the primers:

Just open the cylinder. All the shells are there, and all the primers are in plain view. Since a dummy round can only be identified by the color/appearance of the primer, this is the only way to ensure the gun is actually loaded with what one expects it to be loaded with. the caliber of each round is even embossed on the casing surrounding the priimer, although it is small and can't really be made out in that pic. The operation to open and close the cylinder literally takes less than a second each. Even a newbie could easily open the cylinder, check the shells, and close it again in under ten seconds. It is literally that easy.

Now, some older models of revolver were built so the cylinder didn't open. These had a loading port that forced the user to load one shell at a time. I don't know for certain which type was used, but those single-load revolvers are pretty rare and collector's pieces. Unless someone can show me different, I am assuming that the cylinder opened.

This is why we have been talking about the necessity of checking the weapon personally before using it. If Alec Baldwin had opened the cylinder, verified that the primers looked like blank primers, closed it, and this had happened, he would be guiltless IMO. He did not do that. He refused to take 2 seconds to make sure he would not take a life. That is the very definition of negligence.

Even if the loader had used spent primers, I placed a spent shell at the top position in that last pic. See the dimple in the middle? That is a load which cannot fire. The primer has already fired once, and once is all they do.

Hopefully that will clear things up.

TheRedneck

Well, the Ruger Single 6 is still a popular revolver so those with pushrod ejectors are not uncommon. To be period correct it appears they were using an old Colt SAA or cap and ball style.

According to friends in the business live rounds are not allowed anywhere near a set so someone screwed up big time whether they were plinking or not. If you discharge a round on a set outside of what is scheduled you get fired on the spot and blacklisted. If you are doing practice film shots the weapon would be cold, IE no blanks, no dummy rounds (which have no primer and a BB inside to give an audible clue they are dummy rounds). The only time blanks are used are during principle and no other time. What the press is calling a "prop gun" is a real firearm and they get used all the time.

There are two industry experts that are working or are retired from the industry on another forum (cars) that explain this in great detail.

Mods can delete this link if it is not appropriate. Pelican Parts: how does htis happen

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Yes, damn your political perspective.

TheRedneck

Which one?

The one where the laws only matter when you want them to and the crimes can only fit if the political side you are against. Some of us, myself included don't give a pass to those on what you may think are our team because when they crossed that line the left us.

I've worked in the film industry and personally know Halyna. I worked with her on the set of The Mad Hatter in summer 2019, she was the DP (Director of Photography aka Cinematographer).

To be completely honest with you all (I've been a conspiracy theorist and investigator for 30+ years), I would say that there really isnt a conspiracy here. I know that's NOT what you all want to hear, but I believe this is true. For many reasons:

1- I knew her. As an ex-military guy, I've had a few conversations with her about her history, family, time in Ukraine (I sepnt 6 years in Europe), etc.

2- Why would they hit his wife if he had incriminating data? Usually, they'd murder after a whitle-blowing event, not as a "warning"

3- Murdering his wife would NOT silence him...it would infuriate him making a whistle-blowing event MORE probable instead of less. Also, simply threatening would work...especially with how much power and influence they have.

4- The law firm he works for is HUGE! I'd wager to bet that he wasnt involved in anything to do with a case against the Clintons or any TPTB.

5- There was already NUMEROUS safety concerns on set! As someone who actually works in this industry, I can tell you that 75% of the sets I've worked on were messed up. Safety concerns, Weinstien like characters, terrible hours, no breaks....this list goes on and on with every set being a unique messed up experience.

Honestly, I feel people are reaching for conspiracy here..... If anything comes of all this, I hope that it is a segway to better regulate the film industry and make sets safer and better working environments.

I'm saddened by her death,as she was a really awesome person but I dont see a conspiracy here. Just people connecting dots that are not as connected as you may think.

a reply to: Flipper35

Yes, I have since seen the revolver used had a fixed cylinder. Even with those, opening the loading door and spinning the cylinder gives a good view of the primers. I just didn't have a fixed cylinder revolver handy; my weapons are utility, not so much for show.

I wasn't aware they used BBs inside, but that is an excellent idea. The problem is, there was apparenlty at least one dummy round still in the gun. The fatal shot was on his second draw, according to reports. That indicates the first one wasn't live. I think it would be quite difficult to detect the difference in sound between six dummies and five dummies plus one live round.

There's just no justification for not checking the firearm.

I have heard similar from people in the business about having live rounds on set... a definite no-no, no excuses, no explanations. And I think that's a good thing. A movie studio making a western is going to have people pointing and mock-firing guns left and right, necessary to produce the product. Nowhere else is this the case. So extreme care is justified, if not absolutely essential.

Thanks for the info on the BBs.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Poveglia

If anything comes of all this, I hope that it is a segway to better regulate the film industry and make sets safer and better working environments.

From your lips (fingers) to God's ears.

My condolences.

TheRedneck