Alec Baldwin Shooting Victim was wife of Latham-Watkins Lawyer, Clintoncide?

Bonanza Creek Ranch (set location) is less than an hour from Epstein's place in New Mexico. Just saying.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777

Seconds later, filming a scene inside an Old West-style church, Baldwin apparently aimed towards the camera and pulled the trigger.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

So the message is: It doesn't matter how safe you think you are. It doesn't matter where you are. We can get to you even if you are in church.

Oh, ffs.....Who is "we"?

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: TheRedneck

I’m hearing it went through her chest and then hit the director. It had to be a round of some kind and .45 is capable.

I think you are right. A long Colt 45 round would do it. A small piece of brass crimp or paper/ plastic wadding wouldn't do it.

I once bought a 2 shot American Derringer 45 long Colt. Those rounds are pretty powerful. There is a certain small gage shotgun shell that can fit in them as well. That's a pretty big round.

I am just wondering....

They were out in the New Mexico desert? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Is it possible that someone brought a real gun with real ammo, to have some defense against wild animals.

Snakes, Coyotes etc...

a reply to: Randyvine2

Was there not a bullet fired from the weapon that struck and killed and struck and injured?

We don't know at this point. All we know is that the gun went off and something struck and killed Hutchins, and also wounded another. Guns can shoot more than lead bullets, and this being a movie set, that is a distinct possibility.

Or do we lack that information because the MSM is more than anything just in the way?

Uh, duh. What else is new?

TheRedneck

a reply to: Guyfriday

Wouldn't most of the badly loaded blank just dump it's energy in the first target and not have much, if any energy left, to hit the second target?

That would be true, if the projectile that struck the second victim also struck the first. I haven't seen anything that indicates that was the case. If two people are struck by one round, police will automatically assume the bullet penetrated the first victim before hitting the second. Police are not used to examining crime scenes where blanks are used, and their initial assumptions would reflect that.

However, if multiple projectiles exited the revolver, one could have hit Hutchins while the other hit the second victim. Shrapnel from a blank will likely not penetrate all the way through a body. It will turn what it hits into hamburger.

Forensics will take a few days probably to sort everything out; someone in that department will no doubt be familiar with the characteristics of blanks.

TheRedneck

a reply to: crappiekat

Is it possible that someone brought a real gun with real ammo, to have some defense against wild animals.

Someone could have had armed security on site as well.

However, the Colt .45 (assuming that is what was used) is not used a lot for security or for varmit shooting. Most people, including security personnel, seem to prefer 9mm or .380, neither of which will fit in a revolver, and neither of which existed in 1880.

I'm one of the weirdos that prefers revolvers, and I just so happen to dearly love the Colt .45. Somehow, when people stare down a barrel that size and see the bullets in the cylinder, they tend to take a second thought at antagonizing the person behind the trigger any farther.


In any case, there is simply no reason to carry live ammo in the caliber of the weapons being used for filming on a movie set. None whatsoever. You want a varmit revolver? Stick with a .357 or .38 Special. Leave the .45 Colt at home.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Bigburgh

May be an accident from Baldwin's perspective, but someone wanted that woman shot.

RookQueen just dropped in about the AD (assistant director) who handed the gun to Baldwin and told him it was a cold gun.

What are the odds!?

ccording to a report citing court documents, the gun with live rounds was one of the three weapons that the film's armorer, Hannah Gutierrez, had set on a cart outside the wooden structure while a scene of 'Rust' was being enacted. Assistant director Dave Halls then picked it up from there, brought the gun to Alec Baldwin, at the time unaware that it was loaded with live rounds, the detective's notes read. Halls announced "cold gun" when he brought it to Baldwin and told the actor that the firearm was safe for use, according to the warrant filed in Santa Fe, Arizona.

According to the Sun, Halls also worked on 'The Crow: Salvation', the sequel to the 1993 film 'The Crow' where actor Brandon Lee was tragically killed in a similar gun mishap.

There is no such thing as coincidence.

I've watched enough murder cases to know that the guy was set up by someone with axe to grind.

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
a reply to: vonclod


There's a photo of the gun being used in the link i provided in my other post about halfway dow n:

www.dailymail.co.uk...

I cant be asked to download it and upload it here as sometimes uploading doesnt work

Thank you! as I figured, it's a Colt single action, they have a light trigger, no safety, if it's cocked, it takes little trigger pressure to fire.

I just heard on Judge Janine that protocol for firing a real gun with blanks is the person must be 20 ft. away from the target.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: TheLieWeLive

How does a six shooter misfire unless you pull the hammer back first?

Double-action revolvers do not require the hammer to be pulled back. Simply pulling the trigger will do that as well, although the pull force and travel are substantially greater. Either a single-action or double-action revolver can go off if sufficient pressure is applied to the hammer, even if "uncocked." That pressure is pretty extreme, though, as in, hitting it hard with a hammer in just the right spot. That's where the idea of a dropped gun going off when it hits the floor came from; it is actually possible if it hits just right on the hammer.

Modern revolvers have "floating" firing pins which are loosely connected to the hammer to further decrease the chance of accidental discharge. Not sure about 1880s-era weapons. Someone else will need to inform us on that.

TheRedneck

No pin on a vintage SAA, the pin is built into the hammer. Most people load only 5, empty chamber where the hammer is

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Edumakated

He is an associate (underling). If there is evidence he worked for the partner directly handling Clinton's affairs then it might make sense. However, I fail to see what an entertainment associate has to do with political law...

I appreciate your insight and measured take here Edumakated, perhaps you are absolutely correct.

All I know is that in this clown world, things are never as they seem.

The idea that this was just an accidental incident is not sitting right with me even if you take away the shaky connection to the law firm. For me that is just icing on the cake.

Thank you for your contribution!

I am down for far out conspiracy theories as much as anyone and certainly will change my mind when presented with additional evidence.

I am just pointing out the article is stretching the connection. Merely having been employed at a firm like Latham doesn't mean anything because the firm is so large. The firm has 730 partners. Sure a couple of them may be connected to Clinton but that is it... no evidence was presented that the woman's husband has any connection to the one or two L&W Partners that dealt with Clinton's case.

a reply to: Guyfriday
You could be right Guy but if it was a public execution the AD could be being set up too.

a reply to: vonclod

No pin on a SAA, most people load only 5, empty chamber where the hammer is

What do you mean by "no pin"?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: vonclod

No pin on a SAA, most people load only 5, empty chamber where the hammer is

What do you mean by "no pin"?

TheRedneck

I edited my post, on a vintage Colt, the hammer strikes the primer, there is no pin between the hammer and cartridge, the hammer is the pin.

My dad had some SA revolvers, but modern..Ruger, I recall the firing pin is mounted in the frame.

a reply to: RookQueen

The best assassins are the ones that don't even know what they did. Yeah you could be right, but in the end either someone replaced the firearm, or the films armorer purposely put a real firearm out there. Someone knows and the fact that no one is talking is tell-tail evidence of this being a conspiracy.

a reply to: vonclod

OK, you were worrying me there... a gun cannot function without a firing pin. On older models, though, it is indeed a part of the hammer. That's why striking the hammer can cause it to fire; it's literally the same as striking the firing pin.

And yeah, most people did keep the chamber empty for that reason.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: vonclod

OK, you were worrying me there... a gun cannot function without a firing pin. On older models, though, it is indeed a part of the hammer. That's why striking the hammer can cause it to fire; it's literally the same as striking the firing pin.

And yeah, most people did keep the chamber empty for that reason.

TheRedneck

Ya, my bad, I poorly worded my post.

I just read on IG, this particular gun, was being used by crew members for shooting..in off hours I guess, and, live ammo was found on set, stored with the blanks. So I'm going to jump to the conclusion this was a fully functional weapon, as to how it was handed to Baldwin with live rounds??..I guess the armourer was right..she was not qualified

A source.
www.tmz.com...

a reply to: vonclod


WHAT?


My GOD! I just read that link!

We're told this off-the-clock shooting -- which was allegedly happening away from the movie lot -- was being done with real bullets ... which is how some who worked on the film believe a live round found its way in one of the chambers that day.

...and...

There's also this ... one source who was on set and familiar with the goings-on of the crew tells us that when cops showed up, they found live ammo and blanks were being stored in the same area -- another possible explanation for how an actual bullet slipped got in the gun.

Holy mother of Robert E. Lee! Is there any possible way these blithering idiots could have been less safe? I'm amazed half the people on the set weren't killed already!

If this is true, I never want to hear another single word form anyone who works for any entertainment industry in any way about gun control... not one damn word! This in my mind disqualifies them form having anything to say on the subject. It's as bad as a convicted arsonist preaching to someone about fire safety!

I cannot imagine how anyone can be this stoopid and still have the sense to know to look at a camera without written instructions... this doesn't implicate Baldwin, or the AD... it implicates every single person on that set!

TheRedneck