Conversation about the Texas Abortion Ban

a reply to: Middleoftheroad

Ya, you never really explain that claim either did you?
But ya, we should provide link after link 150 times over.
My son is still working with coworkers who are refusing to mask. He is the only one in the shop that has been vaccinated. Most of the school systems have closed at least on school because of covid in my area and still...
Plenty of unmasked kids being allowed!!

Yous seem to be doing a great job crying your own river to drown yourself in all based mostly on bs!

a reply to: dawnstar
But anyway...
Anyone who is wondering why some of us are saying just say no to sex. ..
Read this thread!!
Not having sex is easier than dealing with this crap!!
Unless, of course you want to have a baby.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

You can argue with the mayo clinic all you like.

What? Please cite where the MAYO Clinic contradicts anything I posted there.

Otherwise, like I said, "Science is hard, and pro-lifer/forced birthers are counting on your ignorance.

I posted the mayo clinic link earlier in this thread.
Sorry you don't like the changing scientific definition of viability.
Murdering children is not a good look.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: shooterbrody
No.

Lol
Seems our discussion is complete.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Viability means the point when a fetus can survive outside of the womb.. not when a heartbeat is first found! Look the term up in any medical dictionary?

Here, have a link.

link

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: shooterbrody

Viability means the point when a fetus can survive outside of the womb.. not when a heartbeat is first found! Look the term up in any medical dictionary?

I would submit viability is defined by the scientists and medical professionals who demonstrate what it is.
I would also submit that fluid term has advanced since 1970.
The lynchpin definition has changed.
The state of texas simply agreed.
Sorry you lot seem angry about such.
SCIENCE and all......

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: shooterbrody

Viability means the point when a fetus can survive outside of the womb.. not when a heartbeat is first found! Look the term up in any medical dictionary?

No thanks.
Seems poor form to offer a link now.

a reply to: network dude

Key word here: radical

a reply to: shooterbrody
A six week embryo is viable,? Cool, then we can just induce labor and that great medical technology we don't have can keep it alive. Mom can put the teeny tiny tyke up for adoption and the taxpayers can foot the bill for all it's care!!

C-sections In the 80’s became a thing because a lawyer filed malpractice on a doctor for NOT doing a c-section. Interesting read behind that trend. Google it. It’s there.

2010 to present, several women claim miscarriage and then disposed of the more babies in dumpsters and in suit cases then went to the hospital. Again, lots to Google and read.

Lots of interesting stories for both sides I am sure.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: shooterbrody
A six week embryo is viable,? Cool, then we can just induce labor and that great medical technology we don't have can keep it alive. Mom can put the teeny tiny tyke up for adoption and the taxpayers can foot the bill for all it's care!!

Yep. Just slap it in one of these babies and then give it to the dad or to the politicians to raise.

Artificial, Womb-Free Births Just Got a Lot More Real

a reply to: shooterbrody

I saw your link. The fact that you think any thing in that linked debunked the science I posted, then you have proved my point. Pro-life/Forced births thank you for your continued ignorance, and cravings for red meat angst.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: dawnstar
You are arguing in support of this crazy arse law that has no exception for rape or incest.

You are saying that a conceive egg, is a person, or maybe it becomes a person once a heartbeat exist.
If it is a person it has that same exact rights as the young girl that it is growing in.
And then you are saying that it is murder if the pregnancy is terminated. The right the young girl should be stripped away. Her right to adequately nourish her body. Her right to not have her schooling interrupted. Her right to ensure the proper functioning of her organs. Her right to not choose to risk her own life.
And yous seen to think that masks and vaccines is an equivalent? Yous post no links to prove your claim that you are being forced into anything and I have about four schools in just my neck of the woods that have canceled in classroom learning because they are over run with covid and the parents are just claiming exemptions and the school can't ask for documentation!
Yous are afraid of a mask or a vaccine, or oh. It's my rights...
But, just look at how courageous you expect young incest victims to be. Just look at how easy it is for yous to throw their rights away.

The law yous are debating in favor of is a poorly written piece of crap written by a legislature predominately made up of man, signed into law by a man and it appears that they don't have much knowledge about pregnancy.

So all men wrote the law so let’s hate all men and young girls should be able to get abortions because the baby feeds on her. Cliff notes version of what you said.

What’s the median age of women who have abortions? You can take the end of the bell curve as that is your stance And I get your argument no matter how far off one end of the bell curve it is. You will even attack me and say that all ages matter regardless of a bell curve.

The baby has rights. It has the right to live. You can argue gestation periods and signs of life all you want to support being able to freely get abortion. You can call the baby a parasite if you want that feeds on the mother. You can mold and shape your argument however you want. You can use one sided dates and misrepresent it all day long.

It will not budge the stance of being pro life.

a reply to: wdkirk
In NY, a women was driving home home after having a few drinks. She wasn't wearing a seat belt. She got into a car accident that killed the two people in the other car. She also had a miscarriage.
She was convicting for killing her unborn child, but not the two people in the other car. Eventually the conviction was overturned.

A women had just hung up from a heated argument with the daddy of her baby and headed downstairs. She became dizzy and lost her balance and fell down the stairs. Had a miscarriage. She was convicted.. she threw herself down the stairs to cause her miscarriage they claimed. The conviction tion was appealed and eventually overturned...
Not because the idea that she would throw herself down the stairs was insane, but because it was discovered the fetus was younger than originally thought and it was legal to abort it.
Both spent time in prison.

a reply to: shooterbrody

I would submit viability is defined by the scientists and medical professionals who demonstrate what it is.

I submit that you're just pulling # out of your #.

Sigh. Time to dust this one off again.

a reply to: wdkirk

What is the percentage of abortions that occur in the last trimester.. lol.. let alone a few days before the due date. It is a small number also...
They matter to you, don't they?
Children having children is not healthy for children!!

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: wdkirk

What is the percentage of abortions that occur in the last trimester.. lol.. let alone a few days before the due date. It is a small number also...
They matter to you, don't they?
Children having children is not healthy for children!!

Some around here are still spreading that outright lie that abortions are performed just before and up to "one hour" after birth. They can't be serious. Some talking points have such staying power. This is a very strange place with a strange motto to be sure.

a reply to: GravitySucks
Yep, to be sure...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

I saw your link. The fact that you think any thing in that linked debunked the science I posted, then you have proved my point. Pro-life/Forced births thank you for your continued ignorance, and cravings for red meat angst.

No
That link validates the timeline referenced in the texas bill.
Thats what mayo clinic science validates.
In line with roe v wade.
Perhaps roe v wade needs to be examined.