The Vaccinated Cause More Resistant Covid Strains

a reply to: GravitySucks

Herd immunity is a fallacy. OC43 is still here since 1890. H1N1 is still here since 1918. Covid will be here even thousands of years from now.

a reply to: mikegaiser

You seem to be confusing the idea of herd immunity with eradication. They are not the same thing.

a reply to: Zitterbewegung

Something against 9th planet or an agenda to discredit people?

originally posted by: mikegaiser
a reply to: GravitySucks

Herd immunity is a fallacy. OC43 is still here since 1890. H1N1 is still here since 1918. Covid will be here even thousands of years from now.

Herd immunity doesn't mean viruses disappear.

originally posted by: Zitterbewegung
a reply to: Zitterbewegung

Something against 9th planet or an agenda to discredit people?

You have replied to yourself again.

Perhaps, as you said earlier, you are tired.

a reply to: Phage

I reply to myself on purpose. it's easier. You get the messages i see.

originally posted by: Zitterbewegung
a reply to: Phage

You are wrong and we will do it by survey.

Anyone reading this post please respond if Phage is right or wrong.

Thank you.

I've realised recently that isn't as intelligent as he thinks he is, but is ok at some science stuff. That's all he has to offer.

He trusts all the bad guys but won't openly admit it..personally (along with 4 or 5 others like him) I smell a rat..

Pfizer are UBER trustworthy

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a reply to: lordcomac well lets us be glad that us funded wuhan lab didnt mix a touch of aids in the covid mix just so we have to be on meds everyday to stay alive

That is not true.
Hospitals have a patient protocol that includes COVID-19 testing for every patient.
So an 11 year old goes into a Hospital for a broken arm, tests positive for COVID-19, asymptomatic. This is how that is reported;
The 11 year old is a covid-19 positive, unvaccinated child hospitalized.
See how that works?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Zitterbewegung

I don't think many asymptomatic cases are hospitalized.

a reply to: Phage

Computer modelling of this nature is always going to invoke contingent variables.

Would you agree the models pushed by the MSM driving the early pandemic response were also laden with assumptions and deliberately geared to induce fear?

Shockingly this is on MSN. Maybe some people will read it then.

"New Delhi: French virologist and Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier called mass vaccination against the coronavirus during the pandemic "unthinkable" and a historical blunder that is "creating the variants" and leading to deaths from the disease, LifeSite News reported."

""It is clear that the new variants are created by antibody-mediated selection due to the vaccination.""

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"Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens? Conventional wisdom is that natural selection will remove highly lethal pathogens if host death greatly reduces transmission. Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow transmission could thus allow very virulent strains to circulate in a population. Here we show experimentally that immunization of chickens against Marek's disease virus enhances the fitness of more virulent strains, making it possible for hyperpathogenic strains to transmit. Immunity elicited by direct vaccination or by maternal vaccination prolongs host survival but does not prevent infection, viral replication or transmission, thus extending the infectious periods of strains otherwise too lethal to persist. Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts."

journals.plos.org.../journal.pbio.1002198

"Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines can incite changes that enable diseases to escape their control. Researchers are working to head off the evolution of new threats."

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We will never truly know the actual hospitalizations if the data is this;

They wrote, “Taken together, these studies underscore the importance of clearly distinguishing between children hospitalized with SARS-CoV-2 found on universal testing versus those hospitalized for COVID-19 disease.” The studies demonstrate, they said, that reported hospitalization rates “greatly overestimate the true burden of COVID-19 disease in children." Gandhi told Intelligencer that while the studies were both conducted with data from California hospitals, “there is no reason to think these findings would be exclusive to California. This sort of retrospective chart review will likely reveal the same findings across the country.”  

[url]https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2021/05/20/it-turns-out-even-fewer-children-were-hospitalized-for-covid-than-we-were-first-t-n2589778[ /url]

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Zitterbewegung

Sure but we are talking about the numbers we know.

How many of the hospitalized are vaccinated and how many are not.
How many of the dead were vaccinated and how many were not.

The unvaccinated are over-represented. Period.

originally posted by: Zitterbewegung
Rates of SARS-CoV-2 transmission and vaccination impact the fate of vaccine-resistant strains

The following study concludes, counterintuitively, if you vaccinate large percentage of a population, during an outbreak where transmission is not under control, the vaccinated population is the highest risk of resistant strain establishment.


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"Our model suggests three specific risk factors that favour the emergence and establishment of a vaccine-resistant strain that are intuitively obvious: high probability of initial emergence of the resistant strain, high number of infected individuals54 and low rate of vaccination55. By contrast, a counterintuitive result of our analysis is that the highest risk of resistant strain establishment occurs when a large fraction of the population has already been vaccinated but the transmission is not controlled. Similar conclusions have been reached in a SIR model of the ongoing pandemic56 and a model of pathogen escape from host immunity57. Furthermore, empirical data consistent with this result has been reported for influenza58. Indeed, it seems likely that when a large fraction of the population is vaccinated, especially the high-risk fraction of the population (aged individuals and those with specific underlying conditions) policy makers and individuals will be driven to return to pre-pandemic guidelines59 and behaviours conducive to a high rate of virus transmission60,61. However, the establishment of a resistant strain at that time may lead to serial rounds of resistant strain evolution with vaccine development playing catch up in the evolutionary arms race against novel strains."

 

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Agreed... but there's nothing "counterintuitive" about it... although I get what you are saying.

Most of what is starting to leak out about this whole debacle, is largely pre-covid settled science.

The media and medical industrial complexes, want to make folks believe that there is something "special and never before seen" about everything Covid-19.

It's just now so. Everything in university Virology textbooks about basic virology pre-covid, is still as it was before Covid, although you wouldn't know it with the massive science blackouts on "forbidden" ideas and science around Covid.

Plenty of research pre-covid that talks about "leaky viruses" spawning the proliferation of mutant strains of virus.

a reply to: dasman888

The study said counterintuitively, obvious to us.

originally posted by: Zitterbewegung
Shockingly this is on MSN. Maybe some people will read it then.

"New Delhi: French virologist and Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier called mass vaccination against the coronavirus during the pandemic "unthinkable" and a historical blunder that is "creating the variants" and leading to deaths from the disease, LifeSite News reported."

""It is clear that the new variants are created by antibody-mediated selection due to the vaccination.""

www.msn.com...

Gee could I get a Nobel prize? I said this months ago on this site. Could we file these things under duh?

Just to add my 2 cents here. It would appear to me that at over 90% vaccinated what Israel should do is start looking at the therapeutics that are known to work and see if they can mix up a treatment that saves 80-90% plus of those that are sick. If they can do that then drop the vaccines and treat with only therapeutics. Eventually herd immunity should take over.

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: Zitterbewegung
Shockingly this is on MSN. Maybe some people will read it then.

"New Delhi: French virologist and Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier called mass vaccination against the coronavirus during the pandemic "unthinkable" and a historical blunder that is "creating the variants" and leading to deaths from the disease, LifeSite News reported."

""It is clear that the new variants are created by antibody-mediated selection due to the vaccination.""

www.msn.com...

Unfortunately I don't have an available Nobel prize but I gave you a star. You should post a link to the thread you mentioned this in.