What we know about Trump's DEAL with the Taliban before leaving office

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Ok, I freely admit that I moved the goal post from none, to nearly none.

Completely irrelevant anyway.

It's totally relevant, it establishes that you freely make things up on the fly and when proven wrong then insist the invented facts you asserted as previously germane to your point are now suddenly moot.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Ok, I freely admit that I moved the goal post from none, to nearly none.

Completely irrelevant anyway.

It's totally relevant, it establishes that you freely make things up on the fly and when proven wrong then insist the invented facts you asserted as previously germane to your point are now suddenly moot.

It proves nothing of the sort.

But pretty creative attempt this time.

I'll give you points for that.

Is equivalent to rounding error, or just rounding.

Hundreds of strikes would have been necessary during that period to fulfill promise, and 10 might have been provided (or might have been used to defend bagram).

213 capitols under attack.

10 air strikes provided over 30 days.

Close enough to none for me.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
It proves nothing of the sort.

Sure it does, you just claimed no air support on the last page and then totally altered the argument once you got pwnd.

a reply to: Phoenix

Why did Joe pull troops ahead of (American) civilians.

I don't understand why American civilians in Afghanistan didn't leave as soon as Trump released 5000 Taliban terrorists from prison and his Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, basically gave one of those terrorists also released from prison as a peace offering, the virtual "keys to the country" in Sept, 2020.



If I was an officer in Afghanistan who had my family with me, I would have moved to get them out then, in Sept. 2020. If I was a civilian contractor, I would have, at the very least gotten my family out then too, if not myself ASAP.

When the Taliban broke their promise and attacked Afghan government facilities early on, I would have booked a ticket out of there for my family and/or myself right away.

The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.

And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.

I'm not going to say I understand all that's going on over there, but I sure don't understand why civilian contractors and their families waited until the Taliban captured the airport before they thought about leaving.
www.factcheck.org...

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
It proves nothing of the sort.

Sure it does, you just claimed no air support on the last page and then totally altered the argument once you got pwnd.

Ok.

You win.



Prize is a two week Haitian cruise chartered by Q herself.

You get a shared cell in steerage.

Attendance at all events is mandatory.

No alcohol allowed.

Someone will stop by in a few minutes with all 3 of your jabs, then straight to the airport for you.

a reply to: HiddenIdentity
And probably exactly what he will do , and when things go wrong he will blame Trump for this agreement?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
this whole thing was doomed to failure from October 2001.

Yup. Shouldn't think about 'winning' unless you're 'willing' to kill everyone and plant your flag there to boot.

We haven't had the 'will' to 'win' since the Korean War. Just imagine what it would have been like yesterday had we removed China and its population from the face of the Earth way back when.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Sookie, that's one of your better posts and it speaks to another subject altogether "why would anyone stay" knowing an agreement was signed that had major implications for any private civilians over in Afghanistan - I'd been outa there myself.

But its thread drift and an attempt to shift away from the question which was very specific,

"Why did Joe withdraw troops before Civilians"

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Ok.

You win.

I'm well aware.

a reply to: Phoenix

"Why did Joe withdraw troops before Civilians"

I'm well aware of the specificity of your question to Knoxie. But, I didn't go there because I don't know the answer to that, or if, in fact, the USA is even responsible to getting private citizens, that aren't military family members, out of there in the first place. Certainly the USA should be getting Afghanis that are in danger because of their assistance to us and our allies out. But. other than issuing advisories, I just don't know what kind of legal threshold needs to be crossed for the USA to bear legal responsibility to get private citizens out of there.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Joe pulled out troops out BEFORE evacuating American civilians and those who helped us there. There is ZERO excuse for this ... JOE OWNS this!

WHAT!?!

I didn't say he didn't, however this withdrawal was prenegotiated, the Taliban was taking over regardless.

Can you show in Trump's plan where he wanted to pull out the troops before the citizens?

a reply to: Alien Abduct

In February 2020, there were about 13,000 US troops in Afghanistan. By Jan. 15th, 2021, while Trump was still in office, the US troop count in Afghanistan was down to 2,500. How many US civilians did Trump get out of Afghanistan by Jan. 15th 2021?

www.factcheck.org...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Alien Abduct

In February 2020, there were about 13,000 US troops in Afghanistan. By Jan. 15th, 2021, while Trump was still in office, the US troop count in Afghanistan was down to 2,500. How many US civilians did Trump get out of Afghanistan by Jan. 15th 2021?

www.factcheck.org...

Pathetic attempt to defend what biden just did.

Troop and civi levels from prior years have NOTHING to do with what joe just did

NOTHING.

The numbers of people & equipment that joe abandoned to the taliban due to his 'excellent planning' does.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Alien Abduct

In February 2020, there were about 13,000 US troops in Afghanistan. By Jan. 15th, 2021, while Trump was still in office, the US troop count in Afghanistan was down to 2,500. How many US civilians did Trump get out of Afghanistan by Jan. 15th 2021?

www.factcheck.org...

As you've just shown there were still 2,500 troops in Afghanistan soooo...... You make no sense.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

What was Trump's plan to get US citizens out, while his administration was withdrawing 10,500 troops out of the 13,000 that were there. How many civilians did he make sure to get out?

If zero is the answer, why is that? It look like Trump prioritized getting troops out over civilians. When was Trump's plan to get the civilians out supposed to kick in?

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Troop and civi levels from prior years have NOTHING to do with what joe just did

I disagree. Biden didn't inherit a blank slate.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Alien Abduct

What was Trump's plan to get US citizens out, while his administration was withdrawing 10,500 troops out of the 13,000 that were there. How many civilians did he make sure to get out?

If zero is the answer, why is that? It look like Trump prioritized getting troops out over civilians. When was Trump's plan to get the civilians out supposed to kick in?

As you've just shown there were still 2,500 troops in Afghanistan soooo...... You make no sense.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Alien Abduct

What was Trump's plan to get US citizens out, while his administration was withdrawing 10,500 troops out of the 13,000 that were there. How many civilians did he make sure to get out?

If zero is the answer, why is that? It look like Trump prioritized getting troops out over civilians. When was Trump's plan to get the civilians out supposed to kick in?

I'll refer you to a post I made in another thread that should answer your heartfelt question....

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: gortex

Network Dude has pointed out the following...

"Trump's plan was to remove civilians, then equipment, then troops."

If this is true then how can Trump take any of the blame if biden didn't do it in this order? Once biden does just ONE thing that wasn't in Trump's original plan then ANY blame to Trump goes out the window. It's already speculation at best to even attempt to attribute any blame on Trump in the first place, let alone change variables.

I noticed you stated earlier that the majority of supposed American citizen's that people are referring to that joey left behind are actually Afghanistanians....

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby has admitted that between 5,000 to 10,000 US citizens are still trapped in Afghanistan.

source

Do you not agree that it was a major blunder on biden's part to not exit in this order, citizens, equipment then troops?

The blood of any Americans in Afghanistan will be on the hands of biden. biden is literally a stumbling bumbling idiot, like seriously. This is one of the worst blunders in history and biden owns all of it.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

IDK. It seems to me that I've shown to you that Trump's plan was to withdraw troops, before the civilians, because that's exactly what he actually did. It appears that his priorities drew down troop numbers, not civilian numbers, under his leadership. So, I think I've shown you that Trump's plan was to pull out troops before civilians. as you requested.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Alien Abduct

IDK. It seems to me that I've shown to you that Trump's plan was to withdraw troops, before the civilians, because that's exactly what he actually did. It appears that his priorities drew down troop numbers, not civilian numbers, under his leadership. So, I think I've shown you that Trump's plan was to pull out troops before civilians. as you requested.

Were the civilians in any urgent danger until recently?

Absurd.

Joe had 8 months to evacuate them.

Joe chose to not do that.




While Trump isn't in office anymore.

Apparantly because mean tweets and Feelz.

Maybe you are confused?