What we know about Trump's DEAL with the Taliban before leaving office

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Joe modified the agreement on his own.

Besides moving the out date from May to August what was modified? And if that's your modification good luck explaining how doing this sooner wouldn't have been an even bigger mess.

Biden announced an end to air support in april.

Withdrawing sooner, or later, is not the problem and you know it.



Ending air support is the problem.

Forgetting to evacuate 86,000 Americans is the problem.

Arming Taliban with modern weapons is the problem.



Joe did all of that by himself.

While brainwashed Democrats can't seem to figure out why everyone is so upset.

You however, understand perfectly.

And still feel compelled to deflect from what Joe just did.

Inexcusable.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Don't play dumb.

You know he doesn't have a copy of a secret agreement.

Then how can someone claim to know it was changed? Talk about dumb.

We have what was said publicly about it.

All sides said the same thing.

Until joe.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Biden announced an end to air support in april.

Because the Afghan military was to do their own missions. You know, part of the agreement.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
We have what was said publicly about it.

Then pull the quotes that back up what the other poster was claiming when you decided to interject on their behalf.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Biden announced an end to air support in april.

Because the Afghan military was to do their own missions. You know, part of the agreement.

ANA was never equipped or trained to operate without air support.

Joe set them up for fast slaughter.

Zero chance of surviving without promised air support.



And they've been doing 'their own missions' for years.

Small remaining U.S. force was not intended to do any fighting.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
We have what was said publicly about it.

Then pull the quotes that back up what the other poster was claiming when you decided to interject on their behalf.

Why?

You're just here to cause trouble.

Do it yourself.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
ANA was never equipped or trained to operate without air support.

Joe set them up for fast slaughter.

That's their problem, we held their hand for over a decade, two more months is not going to make a difference for them.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Why?

Like I figured, they don't exist.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
ANA was never equipped or trained to operate without air support.

Joe set them up for fast slaughter.

That's their problem, we held their hand for over a decade, two more months is not going to make a difference for them.

How brutal.

Effort to defend what joe just did has gotten that desperate now?

Timing of withdrawal has absolutely nothing to do with the problem and you know it.

Leaving 86,000 Americans behind is.



Keep trying though, I know you don't have any choice.

All hands on deck to defend joe, right?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


Keep trying.

It's not going to work.

Nobody here is that dumb.

Not even the brainwashed.



Joe left 86,000 Americans in the hands of the taliban.

Joe renegged on promised air support, leading to the prompt slaughter of our allies.

Joe gave taliban a huge arsenal of modern weapons.

Joe refused to allow American forces to rescue stranded Americans.

Leaving our Brit friends to 'requisition' a bunch of land rovers to do the job themselves.




What joe just did is historic incompetence or intentional.

Take your pick.

Great article on the absolute wrongheadedness of even trying to get "Afghanistan" to rule itself. The Nation is a conglomeration of TRIBES that make their money on OPIUM and not much else. They want their women stupid, inside, cooking and having children...thats ALL they want. AND, they have a medieval text from the 600 s AD to support the reasons they like things that way. EVERY NATION was caught on the back foot in regards to the speed of the collapse...the UK is in deep doodoo because we haven't provided in any way an exit for all our linguists, helpers and their families...we dont even act like we care....The US at least is trying....HERE is an interesting article that will open some eyes regarding these Hill People...They dont even consider themselves "Afghani"..they are just TRIBES. AND...AT LEAST Trump helped us speed out of that quagmire...we were NEVER going to succeed in any measurable way unless we stayed there and made the region a State of the USA. www.bloomberg.com...

originally posted by: HiddenIdentity
Great article on the absolute wrongheadedness of even trying to get "Afghanistan" to rule itself. The Nation is a conglomeration of TRIBES that make their money on OPIUM and not much else. They want their women stupid, inside, cooking and having children...thats ALL they want. AND, they have a medieval text from the 600 s AD to support the reasons they like things that way. EVERY NATION was caught on the back foot in regards to the speed of the collapse...the UK is in deep doodoo because we haven't provided in any way an exit for all our linguists, helpers and their families...we dont even act like we care....The US at least is trying....HERE is an interesting article that will open some eyes regarding these Hill People...They dont even consider themselves "Afghani"..they are just TRIBES. AND...AT LEAST Trump helped us speed out of that quagmire...we were NEVER going to succeed in any measurable way unless we stayed there and made the region a State of the USA. www.bloomberg.com...

Gotta distract from what joe just did by any means necessary, eh?

At least you made an effort to improve on your earlier attempts.



Did the article explain why joe renegged on the promised air support?

Or why joe had no plans in place to evacuate the 86,000?

Or why joe won't allow our troops to rescue the stranded right now?

Or why joe said everything was so rosy just a few weeks ago?

Or why joe made no effort to prevent giving taliban all that modern hardware?



Of course not.

You just tried to distract from the fact that joe did this all by himself.



How well do you think your distraction effort worked?

Maybe another attempt will go better?



You're welcome to try.

I have coffee.

a reply to: HiddenIdentity

Good article but I disagree that the UK isn't doing anything. The government are doing nothing apart from making false claims they didn't support the withdrawal but the millitary have been the only coalition force who've been rescuing UK, US and collaborators in the last few days while Biden ordered US forces to abandon them.

The UK diplomat has refused to leave Kabul and is processing as many visas as possible so people can leave the country. He's doing roughly 1000 per day while the US diplomats have spent most of their time negotiating with the Taliban to try and stop them attacking the embassy.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: HiddenIdentity

Good article but I disagree that the UK isn't doing anything. The government are doing nothing apart from making false claims they didn't support the withdrawal but the millitary have been the only coalition force who've been rescuing UK, US and collaborators in the last few days while Biden ordered US forces to abandon them.

The UK diplomat has refused to leave Kabul and is processing as many visas as possible so people can leave the country. He's doing roughly 1000 per day while the US diplomats have spent most of their time negotiating with the Taliban to try and stop them attacking the embassy.

Agree 100%

I stopped reading it when they started smearing the Brits because I already knew this was 100% false.

Why would I believe anything else they had to say.

Self cancelation by lying to readers.

Apparently in effort to defend what joe just did.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
How brutal.

Yeah, and? You want to stay there another 20 years and hold their hands more?

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Keep trying.

Right.

"I saw something but maybe I didn't which is why I can't post it. Again."

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
I think the current conversation, since Trump has been blamed for this...

And he rightly deserves some blame along with his predecessors. Is this now on Joe's dime? Yeah. But people who want to dump the entire fiasco on him are usually way too partisan to have meaningful conversations with.

Joe pulled out troops out BEFORE evacuating American civilians and those who helped us there. There is ZERO excuse for this ... JOE OWNS this!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: MykeNukem

There was no 'right plan'. Unless we intended on staying for more than one generation to let the Taliban breed itself out of existence while simultaneously getting a bunch of backwards tribal numpties to accept democracy this whole thing was doomed to failure from October 2001.

Even a 10 year old would understand that if you want to leave out of the country and leave it to an evil terrorist group, the first thing you do is make sure ALL of your citizens are out first! So there may not be a perfect plan but ANY plan with just a smidgen of logic would include this!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
How brutal.

Yeah, and? You want to stay there another 20 years and hold their hands more?

Quick with the strawman you are.

Nobody said any such thing and you know it.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Keep trying.

Right.

"I saw something but maybe I didn't which is why I can't post it. Again."

What are you going on about?

Something about joe's evacuation plan?

It obviously never existed.