What we know about Trump's DEAL with the Taliban before leaving office

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Or could have decided to not leave them there in the first place?

Or could have never gotten us there to begin with or kept us there. This isn't just a today problem, this is a two decade old problem that both parties created and perpetuated.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Or could have decided to not leave them there in the first place?

could have never gotten us there to begin with

I agree 100%

Have said so many times.

For many years.

But this is August, 2021.

And joe is in charge.

(Supposedly)




I'll gladly jump to a new timeline if any of you have gotten a little better with the targeting.

That last one was a real bitch.

Wouldn't want to risk something like that again.



Star for you.

Can't give it back.

Ha Ha.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
And joe is in charge.

It still doesn't alleviate the culpability of his predecessors and the legislators who perpetuated this fiasco, none of this happened in a vacuum.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
And joe is in charge.

It still doesn't alleviate the culpability of his predecessors and the legislators who perpetuated this fiasco, none of this happened in a vacuum.

What is your point?

Are they secretly in charge of what happens in 2021?




Can I still blame NoName?

I'd like that.



Unfortunately, it's August of 2021, and 86,000 that were supposed to be home by May were left behind for the raping & beheading.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
What is your point?

It's clearly explained in the post you quoted.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
What is your point?

It's clearly explained in the post you quoted.

So in your reality, all those former presidents are responsible for joe neglecting to evacuate the 86,000.

Got it.



I'd agree to impeaching all of them right now if possible and evidence exists.

If the replacements would be any better.

Thank you democrats

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
So in your reality, all those former presidents are responsible for joe neglecting to evacuate the 86,000.

Yes, they share some culpability.

Just like Saigon doesn't fall totally on Ford, all his predecessors have some part in that country's collapse.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

We do know that the deal included having ALL of our people & equipment out by May.

Right. That was Trump's deal, and Biden extended that date by 4 months, to September.

The Taliban had already broken their side of the deal, by attacking Afghan troops and facilities. Biden could have voided the deal for that, be he wanted to get the USA out of Afghanistan as much as Trump did. Instead, he pushed back the date, for logistic reasons, which set the Taliban off.

Make no mistake here, the Taliban are the bad guys. So, do we void the deal and stay, engage the Taliban in battle and prop up a puppet government, or do we do what we can to get our private citizens, personal and Afghan allies out ASAP.

Yeah, it looks bad. It looks like we lost a war, turned tail and ran. Oooops. But look at all the Neocons that got rich!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
So in your reality, all those former presidents are responsible for joe neglecting to evacuate the 86,000.

Yes, they share some culpability.

Just like Saigon doesn't fall totally on Ford, all his predecessors have some part in that country's collapse.

Now that sounds reasonable.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

We do know that the deal included having ALL of our people & equipment out by May.

Right. That was Trump's deal, and Biden extended that date by 4 months, to September.

The Taliban had already broken their side of the deal, by attacking Afghan troops and facilities. Biden could have voided the deal for that, be he wanted to get the USA out of Afghanistan as much as Trump did. Instead, he pushed back the date, for logistic reasons, which set the Taliban off.

Make no mistake here, the Taliban are the bad guys. So, do we void the deal and stay, engage the Taliban in battle and prop up a puppet government, or do we do what we can to get our private citizens, personal and Afghan allies out ASAP.

Yeah, it looks bad. It looks like we lost a war, turned tail and ran. Oooops. But look at all the Neocons that got rich!

Careful, you ALMOST got through typing a completely reasonable post without vomiting out that last bit.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Dude what part of THERE WERE STILL FAR MORE TROOPS THAN EVEN NEEDED IN AFGHANISTAN BY THE TIME TRUMP LEFT OFFICE don't you get? LMFAO

BIDEN EVACUATED ALL TROOPS AND LEFT 8,000 AMERICAN CITIZENS and now he is trying to send back in troops? Why would biden be sending troops back in to evacuate people if it wasn't a mistake on his part? LMFAO

Unbelievable wilful ignorance. SMFH

When Hillary ran for the Presidency, I refused to support her. She struck me as a player...an arch criminal like her Husband. When Trump ran, I refused to support him. I knew of him from long ago when he was a friend of Oprahs...pro choice, big city Democrat..braggard, liar. show off, draft dodger..typical pussy chasing Mama's boy from the Big Apple.

Those TWO LOSERS are OBVIOUS. Anyone without blinders can see it. This stubborness...or is it stupidity...it has to be one or the other, or both to refuse to openly say what you see right in front of you is maddening. America WILL perish if the sensible majority don't marginalize or enlighten a few of you refusnicks .

The FEW "Internet tough guys" (lmao) who dominate these threads with their constant bullying pose no real barrier to the majority of us who desire nothing more than a return to civility, sanity and conversation...and that conversation needs to be focused on our collective futures...WHO are WE as caretakers going to support for the betterment of us all?

Biden isn't up to the job. Harris is more unpopular than Hillary ever was. Trump is highly toxic and has split his own Party despite what the deniers refuse to acknowledge. The "Establishment" may be EXACTLY what America is in need of at the moment. NOT a hard wired woke Socialist OR a nut job Right wing whacko...those two extremes will get us nowhere fast.

Point is, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...most likely its a duck. Biden's too old, not up to it, Trump is a bald faced braggard with zero intellect but with buckets of BS. We are going to need to COMPROMISE. Find a suitable candidate or several we ALL can live with and possibly even support.

a reply to: HiddenIdentity

So do you have anything to add to the topic?

a reply to: Alien Abduct

BIDEN EVACUATED ALL TROOPS AND LEFT 8,000 AMERICAN CITIZENS

Source? As far I can see, Biden never withdrew the 2500 troops left in Afghanistan by Trump. And, where do you get that number, 8000 citizen left behind? As of what date? Do you know how many American citizens were there four months ago? One month ago? One week ago?

Know, you don't.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Alien Abduct

BIDEN EVACUATED ALL TROOPS AND LEFT 8,000 AMERICAN CITIZENS

Source? As far I can see, Biden never withdrew the 2500 troops left in Afghanistan by Trump. And, where do you get that number, 8000 citizen left behind? As of what date? Do you know how many American citizens were there four months ago? One month ago? One week ago?

Know, you don't.

Then why were all bases abandoned and new troops sent in to the Kabul airport later ? 🤣


Sources: U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan complete 'for all intents and purposes'
from July 7 2021 article......

The U.S. currently has roughly 600 troops in Afghanistan, most of whom are Marine Corps and Army personnel providing security at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul.

a reply to: xuenchen

Then why were all bases abandoned and new troops sent in to the Kabul airport later ?

Well Trump withdrew 10,500, so there's that.

Sources: U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan complete 'for all intents and purposes'

So, Biden withdrew around 1,900 troops in July, but still left 600 troops at the embassy. Thanks for the link, and citation has been noted.

Gotta wonder why the Taliban's panties are in a twist over a 4 month deadline extension, that puts 600 troops at our embassy till all our citizens and allies have been evacuated.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Alien Abduct

BIDEN EVACUATED ALL TROOPS AND LEFT 8,000 AMERICAN CITIZENS

Source? As far I can see, Biden never withdrew the 2500 troops left in Afghanistan by Trump. And, where do you get that number, 8000 citizen left behind? As of what date? Do you know how many American citizens were there four months ago? One month ago? One week ago?

Know, you don't.

BIDEN left up to 15,000 citizens after Taliban take over

So CNN ABC CBS FOX CNBC CSPAN BBC PBS Wallstreet journal, New York Times, USA Today, Washington Post, Los Angelas Times, Tampa Bay Times, New York Post, Chicago Tribune, Star Tribune and Newsday are all wrong but YOU are right? 🤔

Keep drinking the Kool-aid kid 🙄

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
I can't speak for everyone, but I will say, Joey isn't the planning guy, just the guy who (supposedly) gives orders. There are people who's job it is to plan and execute the orders given. So this isn't something Joe did wrong, it's something Joe managed wrong.

Much like if you told a group of sales guys to go sell some water to a guy dying of thirst, and they came back without a sale, you would be pissed, it wouldn't be your fault they failed, but you would still end up holding the bag and having everyone wonder why you didn't get this done correctly.

I don't disagree.

Blame Trump for not doing the same thing, disingenuous. Blame Trump for continuing the war, I suppose, although he spend some time trying to end it the right way, as this OP explains. But some folks see red, some orange.

I do disagree with this, it still would have ended with the Taliban in charge, it was inevitable. The Afghanis are corrupt and tribal, they aren't interested in democracy.

Trump would not have pulled our troops before removing all Americans and our helpers. Joe did, PERIOD END OF STORY. The takeover may have been inevitable, but that is not the major mistake Biden made. The major mistake was leaving thousands of American behind.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

You said Biden left 8,000. Were did you get that number? We all know there's a number, but no one, not even the State Department, knows what that number actually is. The State Department does have a hard number on American citizens who have requested help getting out, but they're not disclosing that number.

Try to remember what this thread is about.
HINT: Thread title = What we know about Trump's DEAL with the Taliban before leaving office

Trump had no plan to evacuate US citizens. He kicked that can down the road.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Alien Abduct

You said Biden left 8,000. Were did you get that number? We all know there's a number, but no one, not even the State Department, knows what that number actually is. The State Department does have a hard number on American citizens who have requested help getting out, but they're not disclosing that number.

Try to remember what this thread is about.
HINT: Thread title = What we know about Trump's DEAL with the Taliban before leaving office

Trump had no plan to evacuate US citizens. He kicked that can down the road.

LOL, can you quote your source for that? I know you can't, you just pulled it out of your ass.
Even the short bus riders know you pull civilians, then equipment, then troops. We have done this before, many times, many places.

Trump may or may not have done this well, but the fact is, he wasn't president when this happened, Joe Biden was. So any other theories are just that. At some point, you will have to accept, you voted for a moron in 2019. But OMB.