100th Anniversary Of The Tulsa Race Massacre.

a reply to: BorisBadInOff

what would you suggest? Ignore it, and hope it goes away again for another century??

a reply to: DBCowboy

Very well put.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

LOL...are you saying that I have no empathy because I am looking at this issue without using logical fallacies? That's about as silly as it gets, but I guess you can make that assumption if you want to.

Tou didn't ask "Did we 'get better'?" in a way that is specific to this instance--it was in response to my comment that addressed our society as a whole having gotten better. If you disagree with that, so be it, I guess.

So, why aren't you answering my questions? YOU claim that there still needs to be accountability, so I'll ask for a third time:

• From whom do we demand accountability for something that happened 100 years ago?

• Is there anyone left alive to even hold accountable?

• Shouldn't it be enough, 100 years later and with no one alive to hold accountable, to be able to admit that it was a horrendous act and to vow to fight against it ever happening again?

If you don't want to answer those questions, let's just call this dialogue a wash.

originally posted by: seagull
Accountability?

I'm curious how you get that a hundred years on?? All involved are probably dead and gone, many probably before you and I were even born.

Actually, they're not, there are survivors still alive and so are their descendants. The city of Tulsa has never made any effort to be accountable for the murder and destruction it sanctioned.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Tou didn't ask "Did we 'get better'?" in a way that is specific to this instance

I was being specific to the instance since this instance is what is being discussed.

You other questions I just addressed above.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

After a century?? Really? I did not know that. Thanks!

Huh. OK, now I can see going after closure/reparations, call it what you will, for those who were actually there.

Obviously, I have no issue with Tulsa acknowledging, after far too long, the culpability/guilt of the actions. History should be acknowledged, both the good and the horrific.

a reply to: seagull

The primary issue is they ignored it/actively fought it for so long that barely anyone is left alive. It's like what insurance companies do when they deny your claims until you croak.

It's a serious black mark on our history, it's up their with Japanese internment, how we treated that Native Americans and slavery among other horrible things we did to people who live(d) here.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Absolutely it's a dark blot on this country's history.

Slavery. Native people, and their treatment. Internment. The list is as odious as it is long.

None of it should be forgotten. It should be out there for all to see, and, hopefully, learned from.

originally posted by: seagull
None of it should be forgotten. It should be out there for all to see, and, hopefully, learned from.

Sadly this thread isn't, for the most part, a good example of what you sincerely mentioned as necessary.

originally posted by: EternalShadow
"the PRESENT rate at which black males are ending black lives.

What do you think is the present “rate“ for white on white crime...?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
You other questions I just addressed above.

No, you didn't, other than to say that there are survivors, which there are currently three. That was the least pertinent of my questions, but I'll just assume that you will not answer them directly and would rather call this conversation a wash.

Personally, I'll run with my theory that doing my part to ensure that such an atrocity doesn't happen again, and to ensure that racism doesn't ever become a belief of my children so that it has a better chance of not happening in the future once I'm gone is an appropriate way to address this past issue.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
The primary issue is they ignored it/actively fought it for so long that barely anyone is left alive.

I do agree, and this is a tactic done way too often by governments (see Agent-Orange issues in Vietnam vets as a current example). But at what point does the tactic work and we accept that too much time has gone by in order for the appropriate victims to receive just compensation for damages and loss of life? We cannot perpetuate the idea of reparations in perpetuity. That said, we should absolutely condemn and publicize the politicians and government officials and the failures of the judicial system that allowed the stalling to last so long. Even the insurance companies were able to escape compensating the people of Greenwood for their property losses.

It's a serious black mark on our history, it's up their with Japanese internment, how we treated that Native Americans and slavery among other horrible things we did to people who live(d) here.

Yes, it's a seriously black mark that should be discussed and taught and used as an example to never allow to happen again--all of these examples are--but I didn't do any of it, and I'm not part of the "we" that you say. It was our previous generations, and instead of acting like we did their actions, we need to place the blame where it lies and just strive to better our generation and the ones that follow.

A Black Mark on our history
A horrible event
but it didn't happen in a vacuum
From 1917 until 1921 there were several race riots across the Midwest
St. Louis
Chicago
Detroit
and finally here in Tulsa
Some started by racist whites, others by racist blacks
Remember, over 4 million men went away to war
Some of them black
Most of them white


The USA's burgeoning industrial might still needed bodies to man those jobs.
Enter the great migration of Southern blacks to paces where they historically had very small numbers
Some cities, like St. Louis and Tulsa were receiving 2000 new black residents a week.
This most certainly caused culture shock to some degree
then jobs became scarcer
For returning soldiers this was unacceptable, including returning black soldiers.
Yet, the blacks that moved to these areas staked their claim..they were lured there by the oil and manufacturing companies and had set up lives there and were doing quite well for themselves, by all accounts.
So in essence, Big Business created the situations and conditions that led to this mini race war having a chance to ignite.

In Tulsa, this entire situation could have been avoided if it weren't for a sensationalistic editorial that was printed the afternoon of the original incident. Both parties gave testimony about this editorial, however no surviving copy was ever found and the microfilm copy of that day just happened to be lost ( what a coincidence!). On top of that, local politicians actually egged the crowd on, giving them carte blanche to destroy at will.

What happened in 1921 in Tulsa stands as a terrible reminder as to how much sway the big 3 ( Big Business, The Media, and Politicians) has over the general population. The sad thing is that today, just like 100 years ago, These same 3 have very little, if any accountability to the general public, yet without the actions of these 3, Tulsa would never have had their deadliest day in 1921

more liberal bunk commie design psy ops.

Every leftist cry fest ever begins

Did you know in 1345 women couldnt vote!!!!

time has passed we are no longer those things move onto the progression you champion so vigorously no one wants to go back to those days why do you constantly tho?

The OP wants to resurrect an awful event that happened 100 years ago. I could mention quite a few horrors perpetrated by the Brits in India, Africa, the Carribean, Africa, the Middle East, China, etc., but I'll stick to the issue of interracial violence in America for now.

For starters, how about much more recent events, like the kidnapping, gruesome torture and murders of Channon Gail Christian and Hugh Christopher Newsom in 2007? Or the 2016 ambush murder of five Dallas police officers and wounding of nine others by Micah Xavier Johnson.

Here’s a link to a report on 2018 violent crimes -- including interracial crimes -- by the U.S. Department of Justice. bjs.ojp.gov...

The violent crimes researched in the study are rape or sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault. Go to Page 13, Table 14 for a breakdown of interracial violent crimes (not including homicide or nonnegligent manslaughter). 

The table shows about 548,000 violent crimes committed by blacks against whites in 2018.

In contrast, the table shows about 60,000 violent crimes committed by whites against blacks in 2018. That’s only 11 percent as many as blacks committed against whites. And it doesn't even include murders. 

The same DOJ report shows blacks also commit far more violent crimes against Hispanics and Asians than vice versa. For example, blacks committed 112,364 violent crimes against Hispanics in 2018, compared to 44,551 by Hispanics against blacks. The disparity is really glaring when violence against Asians is examined. In 2018, blacks committed 50,113 violent crimes against Asians, whereas Asians committed less than 563 against blacks. That's a 1,000-to-1 ratio.  

Leftists and America-haters like to dwell on events long past, reopen old wounds. They're convinced black Americans are frequently and systematically victimized by whites, and no amount of reasoning or evidence will ever change their minds. They certainly don't have the courage or discipline to analyze crime data from recent decades, which should tell anyone with an open mind who the current victims and malefactors are in America. 

originally posted by: Scapegrace
... crime data from recent decades, which should tell anyone with an open mind who the current victims and malefactors are in America. 

Yes, it's obvious blacks have a propensity to violence far in excess of other races and cultures, though whites will be blamed somehow.

a reply to: Scapegrace

The OP wants to resurrect an awful event that happened 100 years ago

As this is a current news item in most media's I hardly think i am alone in resurrecting this incident.

I could mention quite a few horrors perpetrated by the Brits in India, Africa, the Carribean, Africa, the Middle East, China,

I have no argue with that statement, you are quite correct. I am more than willing to contribute to any thread you wish to raise on that topic.
One thing to remember, without those aweful episodes carried out by Britain, your country would never have existed.

So where do you draw the line ?

a reply to: Scapegrace

So you have no problem with the removal of statues if Cofederate soldiers. I mean if it's pointless to remember a tragic event on its anniversary then it must be really pointless to continue memorializing a bunch of traitorous losers on a daily basis.

The Confederates were dEmocrats

That’s not disputed

Traitorous losers indeed. Still to this very day.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Here's your answers from the post you claim wasn't addressed.

1) The city of Tulsa and whomever is profiting off of the victims property. 2) Answered. 3) No, because if people are profiting on the property, and they are, it isn't their property to profit from.

What you personally do is irrelevant unless you happen to be compensating victims due to your exploitation of property that doesn't rightfully belong to you.

Now, go on about how you're fixing things.

a reply to: alldaylong

Ahhh yes, the time in history when the democrats had a violent and racist wing that would attack and kill the people it was racist against. Oh wait, that hasn't stopped since the civil war.