100th Anniversary Of The Tulsa Race Massacre.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: EternalShadow
No, 'focus' being the keyword. One issue at a time, WORK THAT ISSUE TO COMPLETION, otherwise it's just drama.

Okay, fine, let's focus on this: the Tulsa Massacre has never been adequately addressed, the families of the victims are still seeking remuneration for the government-sanctioned destruction of their relative's businesses and subsequent murders.

Being that it's decades before whatever it is you're grousing about now maybe we should use your methodology to correct the issue.

if we’re gonna hand out money for being massacred, how bout we start with us Native Americans.

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: EternalShadow
Plenty of those to go around, take your pick.

Today I pick this one.

My point is how the focus is on everything else, while the abhorrent behavior and conduct is simply not an issue at all.

It sounds like your point is that you can only process one thing at a time, some of us can process multiple issues.

No, 'focus' being the keyword. One issue at a time, WORK THAT ISSUE TO COMPLETION, otherwise it's just drama.

Are you just here to distract from the topic or did you have something to contribute?

originally posted by: SonofaSkunk
if we’re gonna hand out money for being massacred, how bout we start with us Native Americans.

Okay? Start a thread on that.

a reply to: WUNK22

They do statistically commit a incredibly high amount of crime.

So it's okay to slaughter random blacks and burn down their businesses and homes?

Gotcha.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: SonofaSkunk
if we’re gonna hand out money for being massacred, how bout we start with us Native Americans.

Okay? Start a thread on that.

I think I get the No #s Given here. It's a little obvious, at least to me.

Inundation. Throwing every single incident in the country's history against the minority group du jour isn't educating, it's throwing more stuff at folks and expecting them to absorb and understand thoroughly than they're actually able to keep straight. And flooding in that much info/demands, no matter the intent, is deliberately overloading people to the point of victim-party stoked apathy origins. It's #ing grating.

Example being:

Whine-ass: Look at my group's historical events exclusively, we weren't treated good and everyone should know about it.

General You: Er, oook, let me read u--

Whine-ass: NOW LOOK INTO THIS EVENT! And this one, and this one! And this one, RIGHT TF NOW.

General You: But what about the oth--

Whine-ass: Read, watch, and listen to ALL THE STUFFS AT ONCE.

General You: You know what, # this, I'm done.

Whine-ass: RACIST!!!


Edit: And no, I'm not saying everyone should STFU and drop it, I REALLY think it's best to edge in the bad chapters of the US' history more slowly, and having some pinnacle examples beyond Alabama and the Loves is a good start.

But not the whole house PLUS the kitchen sink, gawd. In a bar context, that's someone coming on so strong, you're eye-signalling the bouncer stuff.

originally posted by: Nyiah
Inundation. Throwing every single incident in the country's history against the minority group du jour isn't educating, it's throwing more stuff at folks and expecting them to absorb and understand thoroughly than they're actually able to keep straight. And flooding in that much info/demands, no matter the intent, is deliberately overloading people to the point of victim-party stoked apathy origins. It's #ing grating.

It's also a giant whataboutism in this case.

I'm sure both of us can pull s***** examples from the past and say, 'Look at this! What about that!', but it does nothing to address the current topic which is Tulsa. I know why people do it, it's because they can't adequately address the topic, but it's still dopey.

Whatevs, I'll be appearing here all day.

One side exploiting a tragedy from 100 years ago for political gains.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
One side exploiting a tragedy from 100 years ago for political gains.

Apparently "whataboutism" is the way the game is played by both sides.

The right wing loves to bring up Obama and Clinton "lock her up" style and that's ok? Or is that exploitation as well?

a reply to: alldaylong

Yes its important this event be memorialized each year to again remind evil white Americans of the fact that the US was founded on the original sin of slavery and the blood of innocent black people slaughtered in the name of American Imperialistic Capitlaism. It might be suggested that the traditional 'Memorial Day" wherein Americans honor those who fell in service to American Hegemony should be replaced by a holiday Memorializing the slaughter of Black People in Oklahoma and across the nation.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: jjkenobi
One side exploiting a tragedy from 100 years ago for political gains.

Apparently "whataboutism" is the way the game is played by both sides.

The right wing loves to bring up Obama and Clinton "lock her up" style and that's ok?

Not really sure how any of that is relevant to the topic. "The Right Wing"? Is that like the boogeyman?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nyiah
Inundation. Throwing every single incident in the country's history against the minority group du jour isn't educating, it's throwing more stuff at folks and expecting them to absorb and understand thoroughly than they're actually able to keep straight. And flooding in that much info/demands, no matter the intent, is deliberately overloading people to the point of victim-party stoked apathy origins. It's #ing grating.

It's also a giant whataboutism in this case.

I'm sure both of us can pull s***** examples from the past and say, 'Look at this! What about that!', but it does nothing to address the current topic which is Tulsa. I know why people do it, it's because they can't adequately address the topic, but it's still dopey.

Whatevs, I'll be appearing here all day.

True dat, I just wanted to point out how the general attitude came to what we'll just call "Apathetic Whataboutism" in the first place. Pound Me Too made the same error as a change movement


But MY takeaway from the thread here is...not much. I look at it the same as I do the Holodomor, for example -- horrible # went down deliberately, and innocent people died god-awfully for nothing. But it's still history, and I can't just build a time machine, go back in time, and change the lead-ins to it.

So what's the overall history lesson we're supposed to learn from Tulsa? Because openly acknowledging is never good enough, we're supposed to learn something from it. Well, what was the lesson intended to be taught? It was a #ty excuse given for a massacre, and Oklahoma has apparently some loose strings to tie up yet.

But I don't live in Tulsa, or OK in general, so to any other location, it's a passage in history. WHAT are people supposed to do beyond that?

Maybe carefully selected event examples I mentioned is less important than clear end-goal clarity here. We read, we talk, we listen, we absorb, we understand, so what next after that? We've already learned from the past, unless we got some down-low domestic massacres still going on in the shadows (Flint doesn't count, that's just inept #wads)

originally posted by: jjkenobi
One side exploiting a tragedy from 100 years ago for political gains.

Alternatively it could be because it's a current news item.

www.bbc.com...

www.npr.org...

eu.usatoday.com...

time.com...

abc7.com...

www.essence.com...

www.japantimes.co.jp...

etc etc.

Why didn’t Obama do or even say anything about this? Literally never heard of this before this year. Wonder why that is?

originally posted by: Nyiah
So what's the overall history lesson we're supposed to learn from Tulsa?

My opinion would be that people want accountability since there's been very little regarding this incident.

originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: jjkenobi
One side exploiting a tragedy from 100 years ago for political gains.

Apparently "whataboutism" is the way the game is played by both sides.

The right wing loves to bring up Obama and Clinton "lock her up" style and that's ok?

Not really sure how any of that is relevant to the topic. "The Right Wing"? Is that like the boogeyman?

It seems that history has a funny way of repeating itself — and not always in a good way. Sometimes it happened because people didn’t know enough about past mistakes. Other times, they did, yet they’ve learned nothing from them.

a reply to: oloufo

You will find such certain people everywhere. It's not like we do not teach about WW2 a lot, you left that out. I am unsure what you want to express with this, what amounts to certain for you?

1, 10 or millions of people?

a reply to: starviego

Do you understand the difference between organised and institutional?

originally posted by: PurpleFox
Why didn’t Obama do or even say anything about this? Literally never heard of this before this year. Wonder why that is?

He did.

It's one of those things the MSM don't like to talk about for fear of alienating advertisers but, like all history, it's always been there for people who want to know.

a reply to: TonyS

Don't give up your day job.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nyiah
So what's the overall history lesson we're supposed to learn from Tulsa?

My opinion would be that people want accountability since there's been very little regarding this incident.

There has been a "lack of accountability" for MANY "government sanctioned" issues over the years.

Interment camps come to mind.

What is so special about this one that has everyone hot and bothered.

Hmmm let me think on that and get back to you.

"whataboutism" is a very real and applicable phenomenon in this instance. One group always seems to demand special treatment, and the only way to evaluate the merits of the claims is by way of comparison.

And as usual, one needn't go very far to find similar problems with other groups.

I really think for the best interests of everyone it is best to leave this Pandora's Box firmly shut.

Nah, who am I kidding, it's actually much better, productive and constructive to keep dredging up decades or centuries old instances of racial tension and violence, particularly to bolster narratives.