The Secret Life Of Fairies

a reply to: Terpene

I'd wager a guess and say they have never dwelled in the euclidean space, until we arrived?

What was here before humans?

a reply to: sapien82

seems they were at one point just as curious about us as we were them , they stopped being as seen because we started to become more aggressive and turn our backs on nature ?

or was it because we became more involved in religion ?

or both

Curious? Or something else?

The green fairy's ancestral memories go back before the earth existed. The fae came from "elsewhere"; so they say.

As the fairy makes the human twin from the human child, the fairy can make the twin of other creatures. Modern humans are perhaps two hundred thousand years old according to the experts.

Therefore the question is; who are the creators?

Could you please ask them why we are not allowed to see the other world.

I think I am beginning to realize the answer, but a 2nd opinion would be good.


Another question: What do the Gardeners want to harvest?

a reply to: Aldolas

What do the Gardeners want to harvest?

"Gardeners" was a word I chose based on observation of their behavior and demeanor towards people. At a point I realized that a Fairy would have a favorite human, or a group of favorite humans. The Fairy would tend to it's small patch of humans and like any gardener the fairy would bring out characteristics they wanted to see.

What does a gardener want in the long term from a garden?

"We (fairies) want you to relax and stop destroying others. A civilization will do that for you."

Could you please ask them why we are not allowed to see the other world.

I think I am beginning to realize the answer, but a 2nd opinion would be good.

I asked for you and she said; "It is not for you".

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Would you mind expanding as much as possible on this concept of "Gardener(s)?" Im quite curious, and naturally.. varied and diverse sources of input very welcome.

Who, or what, in your opinion would be most against the idea of building towards systems and structures that would support symbiotic growth between all beings on our little corner of life here in the universe? "Some humans" are an easy answer, but I suppose they would be driven more by ignorance than anything.

I appreciate your perspective on the matter

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

What was here before humans?

Animals, I guess it wasn't such a good and interactive ride with animals...

I asked for you and she said; "It is not for you".

hihi they want theirs, we want ours.... sounds a lot like, "Do as I tell you, not as I do". Terrible parents!

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

i watched the old story teller video you posted, seems like a good pub friend or grandpa.

killer bed time stories

a reply to: Serdgiam

Not much more I can say Serdgiam. For me it is observation and comparing fairy behavior towards humans and the environment to something I am familiar with. But that is probably not a universal behavior.

Who, or what, in your opinion would be most against the idea of building towards systems and structures that would support symbiotic growth between all beings on our little corner of life here in the universe? "Some humans" are an easy answer, but I suppose they would be driven more by ignorance than anything.

The easy answer of "some humans" is what I understand to be the case. The question is the "why are they like that" and "what can be done about it".

I can give one small example from the fairy point of view. The example of the deceased children I collect.

Keep in mind that this is just my view of things.

The children are from the isles of Britain and Ireland. These kids have a talent, and that is the ability to see through lies. That is something the fairies have been cultivating in these children. There is no telling lies to those kids. Imagine the preacher in the pulpit or the school teacher being publicly admonished for not telling the truth when speaking.

That is apparently a problem for many people. So they have historically tried to stamp out the fairy's precious things (children) that the fairy has cultivated. History is full of accounts of the murder and torture of the fairy's favorites. The church did a lot of that sort of thing.

There is also a hidden history of cruelty in the pursuit of Alchemy and other occult arts that sort to duplicate the abilities of the fairies. European occultism and the church has a LOT of historical dirty laundry hidden in the places we are not supposed to see.

The subject of dirty laundry brings us to European occultism and the Theosophical Masters of the Wisdom; the ascended Masters. Theosophy has the concept of a future golden age referred to as the externalization of the Spiritual Hierarchy.

Some of the fairies are eagerly awaiting the return of the Western Spiritual Hierarchy too. Maybe not all of the masters, some of them definitely.

Now, I wonder; what possible reason could there be for ascension and escaping the wheel of rebirth? I have heard of the attainments of wisdom and the rest.

There is another reason; dirty laundry and fairies with long memories. Ascension to escape the fairies for cruelties done to the fairy's precious children.

So, my educated understanding is some of the masters have a history that will get them painfully torn to shreds if they return in physical form. Therefore they need to separate humanity from the fairies or possibly get rid of the fairies. Otherwise; no golden age of western esoteric wisdom.

The other choice is to be reborn and face their past deeds. Personally I don't see that happening myself.

So, it is all a mess and hard to point the finger at anyone in particular.

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: NobodySpecial268

i watched the old story teller video you posted, seems like a good pub friend or grandpa.

killer bed time stories

We need more eccentricity in this world.

hey Nobodyspecial

this is another reason Im wanting to go
for some reason it got me interested

a reply to: Terpene

Someone hasn't been paying attention . . . .

The question was: What was here before humans?

Animals, I guess it wasn't such a good and interactive ride with animals...

"Animals" - that is correct.

That fairies can shape-shift is well known. How did fairies learn shape-shifting between say; a human and a wolf?

They learned to appear as a wolf in the same way they learned to appear as human. One needs at least two forms in order to shape-shift.

Lilith as a 'new' fairy, had the desire to find a womb to make an 'avatar' so she could manifest here and experience this world. Lilith encountered the giant green eyed blond child. So strictly speaking Lilith has not the human twin. Lilith can't shape-shift either by the way. That is because because Lilith did not build the second twin.

So as a new fairy seeking a womb, what would we choose if there is a choice?

A rabbit? A wolf?

The wolf of course, because the wolf is an intelligent predator, and bunnies get eaten.

My guess is one will find that the majority of fairies are predators first and then go about selecting other forms.

The wood nymphs I wrote of earlier in this thread were dragonfly X human girl. Dragonflies are predators. My fairy in green is also a predator X human. She is feline X human girl.

Now to put this into perspective, what if there are no humans in this world? Say dinosaur days. What do you think a fairy did back then . . .

hihi they want theirs, we want ours.... sounds a lot like, "Do as I tell you, not as I do". Terrible parents!

"It is not for you" is a simple statement. If you remember the Pat Noone videos, Pat said that he would ask the rods if visitors could enter the fairy fort. Sometimes the fairies said "no", and Pat said; "that is how it is".

"It is not for you" is how it is.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Quite the attitude for being the victim, don't you think?

It leaves little room to find a solution, If their stance is brushed off with, "that is how it is". I mean, if they are so wise and potent, they should have seen it coming.

So they are predators. Well, if you compete for territory and prey with other predators, a conflict is inevitable.

Receding and treating the other the way he wants to be treated would be the action of a wise and evolved species. Everything you describe sounds very immature and not at all interested in a synthesis.

The more I read, the more it sounds like fairies parenting humans, missing the fact that their children are grown-ups and still try to educate them through grounding...
Seriously, if they didn't manage till now, they might as well give up, these methods work if you have the stronger arm but once your kids surpass you beware of forcing them as you give them the template to act with force against you, well here we are.
it's never productive to expect the other side to reflect, but one can always reflect on his side.

Now, "it is what it is" is kind of the antithesis of self reflection...

a reply to: penroc3

Yeah, ol' Eddie has some stories and knows how to tell them.

I especially liked this:

. . . . come to international attention in 1999 when Lenihan had stood up to road builders in County Clare who had wanted to cut down a special whitethorn tree. (The whitethorn is considered in local Irish lore, and Celtic folklore in general, to be sacred to the Aos Sí – the fairy folk of Ireland.)

In local tradition, this specific tree was believed to serve as the meeting place for the fairies of Munster whenever they prepared to ride against the fairies of Connacht.

His activism and protests had made international headlines, and succeeded in altering the road project to spare the tree.

Source: wikipedia

In all things fairy, if one understands the situation from the fairy perspective, solutions can be found.

a reply to: Terpene

Where do you get the victim idea from?

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

You said they'd do the mind games pretending to be oh so vulnerable... It has become evident they are not.

My family is from the Black Forest , and no too many generations ago (I am the 4th gen born here). Family legend has it we were the caretakers and judges of problems between the light and the dark (and while I know the names of them, I can't spell them) or more commonly now, seelie and unseelie. My family now is less then attached to nature or anything not to do with money, and my grandmother is evil; lot has been lost.

When I was 10, to say I was a free range child is an understatement. One day, I was in the middle of a creek in Central Texas about 5 or so miles from anywhere. Because I did this often, I took a lunch, water and first aid kit. Mid morning, I heard a child crying and not expecting anyone went and looked. I found a girl about my age and size (I was small for my age), skin like a marshmallow that had caught fire, hair similar to sticks and wearing what amounted to a potato sack (it is a fabric we called homespun years ago). She was similar to a Brownie, but about 4 foot tall or so. She had a skinned knee.

So being me, I gave her a band aid, a drink of water and one of my sandwiches. Not only was it the kind thing to do, I felt it was the right thing to do. We spoke for a bit having lunch, nothing really major. She asked me why I wasn't afraid, and I don't remember the exact answer I gave but it was something along the lines of I had nothing to be afraid of. We had a conversation on fairy tales, and Tolkien's goblins.

Later I mentioned it to my mom, and blew it off because it wasn't a big deal to me. Mom told me a bit of the family lore.

a reply to: Terpene

You said they'd do the mind games pretending to be oh so vulnerable... It has become evident they are not.

What I said was we play games. The purpose of games is to learn. I learn about the fae and they learn about me through games. So when a fae discovers that tears might stop the terrible human mowing the flowers in the orchard, I play along. One because I like doting on them, and second, because we are learning to communicate.

Geez women do that sort of thing in this world all the time, especially when husband hunting. Good men very often fall victim to such fiendish behaviors.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Ah yes, I had forgotten all about Blavatsky. I think there is an enormous amount of value in Theosophy, though like many things, it is an immensely varied container. Regardless, excellent signpost there.

Who knows how accurate any of it actually is, though I suspect that Lovecraft might have had some insight into Atlantis and Cthulhu may not be exactly as he imagined. Some research points in this direction as well. I think he might have been exposed to a great many things that terrified him, and framed it all in that context. Or.. occulted it behind a veil of horror. Quite effective, if so!

Perhaps that externalization of spirituality isnt quite as imagined either. What happens when technology can instantly manifest inner thoughts and behaviors? We arent as far away from that as many seem to imagine. What happens when machines, from typical robots to nano-sized systems, are controlled by thought with no buffer? All of a sudden, we see an externalization of the internal. If this happens unintentionally, with no cultivation or preparation, I suspect the situation would be dire. However, with the correct approach, structures, systems, and tending, we might indeed see the beneficial reunification of science and magic. And as soon as the next 100-200 years..

It would seem that someone(s) only want this to happen in terms of conquest, domination, and control. But that will inevitably fail, perhaps catastrophically. Very few are actively attempting to work towards something better.

Many seem to be immensely ignorant of the current state of our advancement. I think it could be said that science-fiction, once a force of inspiration and direction, has become distinctly limiting. Meaning, too many still view concepts, tools, and processes that exist here and now as fiction. I think that is a very interesting paradigm.

Anyway, what role do you believe singing and music plays for the fae and perhaps even something akin to dwarves? Why do you suspect a fairie would approach someone and tap them on their forehead with something resembling a "wand?"

Thank you for sharing your perspective

a reply to: Kwaaked

'day Kwaaked. Welcome aboard.

Four generations or so, that's perhaps a hundred and fifty years ago, not a long time. Sorting out the problems of fairies takes a certain talent and takes you to the most wonderful places. Sorting out the problems of fairies and people equally so, and can take you to some very dark places to get to the bottom of the problem.

My family is from the Black Forest , and no too many generations ago (I am the 4th gen born here). Family legend has it we were the caretakers and judges of problems between the light and the dark (and while I know the names of them, I can't spell them) or more commonly now, seelie and unseelie. My family now is less then attached to nature or anything not to do with money, and my grandmother is evil; lot has been lost.

The seelie and unseelie I have come across that reference before.

Seelie and Unseelie Courts
In Scottish folklore, faeries are divided into the Seelie Court (more benevolent, but still dangerous) and the Unseelie Court (more malevolent).

The Seelie Court were described as those fairies who would seek help from humans, warn those who have accidentally offended them, and return human kindness with favors of their own. Still, a fairy belonging to this court would avenge insults and could be prone to mischief.

The Unseelie Court, conversely, was used to describe the darkly-inclined fairies. Unlike the Seelie Court, no offense was deemed necessary to bring down their assaults. As a group (or "host"), they were thought to appear at night and assault travelers, often carrying them through the air, beating them, and forcing them to commit such acts as shooting at cattle. In Scotland, they were seen as closely allied with witches. Some of the most common characters in the Unseelie Court were bogies, bogles, boggarts, abbey lubbers and buttery spirits.

Source: wikipedia

She sounds adorable.

When I was 10, to say I was a free range child is an understatement. One day, I was in the middle of a creek in Central Texas about 5 or so miles from anywhere. Because I did this often, I took a lunch, water and first aid kit. Mid morning, I heard a child crying and not expecting anyone went and looked. I found a girl about my age and size (I was small for my age), skin like a marshmallow that had caught fire, hair similar to sticks and wearing what amounted to a potato sack (it is a fabric we called homespun years ago). She was similar to a Brownie, but about 4 foot tall or so. She had a skinned knee.

So being me, I gave her a band aid, a drink of water and one of my sandwiches. Not only was it the kind thing to do, I felt it was the right thing to do. We spoke for a bit having lunch, nothing really major. She asked me why I wasn't afraid, and I don't remember the exact answer I gave but it was something along the lines of I had nothing to be afraid of. We had a conversation on fairy tales, and Tolkien's goblins.

So fairy folk in Texas too. I shouldn't wonder, yet it is always a wonder to hear the encounters of others.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Ah yes, I had forgotten all about Blavatsky. I think there is an enormous amount of value in Theosophy, though like many things, it is an immensely varied container. Regardless, excellent signpost there.

Who knows how accurate any of it actually is, though I suspect that Lovecraft might have had some insight into Atlantis and Cthulhu may not be exactly as he imagined. Some research points in this direction as well. I think he might have been exposed to a great many things that terrified him, and framed it all in that context. Or.. occulted it behind a veil of horror. Quite effective, if so!

I found Theosophy human centric and set within a very human framework, and Lovecraft, well those things are out there too. Lovecraft does have his admirers!

Perhaps that externalization of spirituality isnt quite as imagined either. What happens when technology can instantly manifest inner thoughts and behaviors? We arent as far away from that as many seem to imagine. What happens when machines, from typical robots to nano-sized systems, are controlled by thought with no buffer? All of a sudden, we see an externalization of the internal. If this happens unintentionally, with no cultivation or preparation, I suspect the situation would be dire. However, with the correct approach, structures, systems, and tending, we might indeed see the beneficial reunification of science and magic. And as soon as the next 100-200 years..

The machine minds are often spoken of here on ATS, and they are to be encountered out there. I once saw a world run by machines, the people were nowhere to be found. It was so sad, the fate of the conscious machines was to have nowhere to go, no future. No one to look after them.

It would seem that someone(s) only want this to happen in terms of conquest, domination, and control. But that will inevitably fail, perhaps catastrophically. Very few are actively attempting to work towards something better.

Aye, the attempt to control Nature is the attempt to take control of what is the domain of the fae in many regards. Particularly the weather, electricity and magnetism. Without the fae, the storms will not be moderated and chaos will result. Back on page 19 I described the kachinas who moderate the weather and bring rain where it is needed. When science and the various military interfere with the ionosphere the Kachinas may walk away and leave the storms to wreak havoc. There is also weather below ground. It is all about the dissipation of tension. We need the goodwill of the fae or else we may not live for long.

Leading up to the Fukushima disaster, my suspicion is someone was interfering with tensions and did not care where the tension grounded out. The fae give thought to how tension grounding affects living things and seek to minimize the harm and maximize the benefit.

Many seem to be immensely ignorant of the current state of our advancement. I think it could be said that science-fiction, once a force of inspiration and direction, has become distinctly limiting. Meaning, too many still view concepts, tools, and processes that exist here and now as fiction. I think that is a very interesting paradigm.

The secrecy may lead to division. Probably already has. Perhaps too a polarization between technocrats and the natural thinkers.

Anyway, what role do you believe singing and music plays for the fae and perhaps even something akin to dwarves? Why do you suspect a fairie would approach someone and tap them on their forehead with something resembling a "wand?"

Music I don't know much about. I sing soggy pop songs to the fae when alone in the house. I think I love you by the Partridge Family and Dream A Little Dream Of Me sung by Doris Day(?). They love the sentiments very much.

When I collect the dead children from towns and cities they would appear out of the woodwork one might say, and follow me as I "walked through the town". Sometimes in their hundreds. I often wondered about what attracted them. The story of the Pied Piper is the key to understanding. I did not notice the fae playing the music, I did not hear it. The children obviously did though.

As for the wand, I would not know. One would have to have been there at the time . . .

There would have been a reason.

In my case, my family moved from Germany in 1898 or 1901...about 120 years, give or take.

What I met would have been "unseelie" in this case. I do have a boggart living in my house, plus the bonus of a ley line runs through it and I live next to a graveyard. And I use boggart rather than the term brownie since it is not actually benevolent...but apparently this is what I pull in. I can't say it is destructive either, and it does have a name (which is not supposed to happen because they become uncontrollable) but things go missing and then reappear on such a regular basis, we often wait a day before re-looking for it and usually find it somewhere no one would put it. Mostly, I leave it alone and we live with the objects going missing so often it turns into "Well, that went into the void." and go on. It is afraid of my daughter since she can see it...not as it wants to appear, but talks about seeing a sort of werewolf, bald cat thing.

Truth be told, this house is far too close to several things. The land (if not the part the house sits on) was once a battle site that was bloody and deadly, too close to the dead and we're the first people that have lived here that actually like the house, aren't crazy (literally) and don't think it's possessed by evil. I have a feeling the veil is thin around here. Plus I have an old oak tree, beautiful but large and very old and a hickory tree I refused to let anyone cut down as a young tree and it grew extremely fast and is, as I put it, a happy tree. My land and house is just bizarre.

Someone asked about djinns, I don't know if they are fae or not, but I have seen several in the US in Texas, Washington and weirdly, in the middle of nowhere Iowa. One was when I was doing paranormal investigations, one in a house I lived in (the previous owners brought it from Saudi Arabia as a sort of family curse) the one in Iowa...I have no idea why it was there. It was not exactly pleased it was spotted.

My family history makes it where weird stuff happens and you roll with it. If you call it fae, ghosts, paranormal...they all are somewhat the same thing at the end of the day. There is no real fear, even when faced with something you probably should be leery of, just a strange instinct to be utterly devoid of feeling about them. Usually there's not even curiosity.

The books in people was mentioned as a key to accessing history, either previous lives or family. There is another way I know of: I have kept a grimoire, or diary, as long as I can remember. It is an actual book in the physical realm. As a child, I used to astral plane and see my dead grandfather who used to tell me things that wound up in the book (my mother would often collaborate the old family stories later). Lucid dreams and astral planing different places added to it to the point I have a decent family history, spells, herbal stuff and odds and ends that I should not know. Nor do I practice witchcraft, I am fairly devout in a major religion.