The Secret Life Of Fairies

I joined ATS after many years of lurking just to let you know that I'm really enjoying this thread and I hope you continue to share your thoughts and experiences in it.

Thanks!

a reply to: Denaso

Thanks Denaso, those few words help more than you may realize.

I shall do so.

originally posted by: NobodySpecial268

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Two of us used to get on the telephone and look at things together. That is all it was; two (or more) RVers looking at the same target at the same time. Chat, coffee, smokes. Some targets were observable only and non interactive. Other targets were real time and interactive. Some were just sightseeing for fun.

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How do you get to that stage?
There's a lot on the internet about RVing, but what you describe is a completely different level.

a reply to: Aldolas

There's a lot on the internet about RVing, but what you describe is a completely different level.

I don't really know how to respond to the "completely different level". Is it? It is "ordinary" for me.

Though I am aware that what I do is uncommon and modern people don't understand. so I have learned to keep to myself.

I've read a little about the RVing here on ATS, an old Indigo Swan thread I think it was. They talked about "sealed envelopes" and "procedures" is about all I remember. It didn't interest me as I just thought there was a degree of mystification going on. The Munroe material could be presented in a very simple way too. I think they sell courses though.

Maybe the mystification is designed to create exclusiveness?

Someone once said to me; "Look between two thoughts."

The explanation is:

When we think, we go from thought A to thought B to thought C and so one.

How did you get from thought A to thought B, or B to C?

What is between the two thoughts?

One might as well call "between", the "void" (de-void of thought).

Just stop thinking and perceive instead, deceptively simple really.

Then it is a matter of venturing out into the void (world). Always a good idea to mind one's manners. Like traveling in strange countries and meeting new people; be polite and have humility.

How do you get to that stage?

I would say it is a lot of hard work to develop a skill. Like playing music, practice is what it takes along with dedication. I think it is the hours and hours of practice, day in day out, for years and years that makes the difference.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

NobodySpecial268,

I stepped away from your thread for a bit. Primarily to see if any new ideas would be injected to help you find the third option you have been looking for, and also since Afghanistan has gone to hell which has been distracting/depressing.

I had planned to resume the role of a humble spectator of your entertaining thread, but then a couple UFOs came out to play the other day when I was flying and I had someone/something RV their way into home, intruding on me one night when I was sleeping. Weird stuff. It seemed like reasonable motivation to at least re-engage and see if you had any new ideas on this third option. Maybe this unknown third option is something I may need to utilize in the future as well.

I did watch the video you posted of Dr. Karla Turner’s presentation. I thought it was very interesting that one of the common themes that she saw in her data collection was that these entities seem to have less then altruistic motives, and how they can manipulate Christian beliefs and other religious leanings as a means to control people. I also found it interesting how these entities seem to want to divert individuals from certain paths in life (ie The story of the teenager that was a family friend of Dr. Turner’s, who was doing very well in school and had lots of potential but was convinced by this entity that none of it mattered so he just delivered pizzas and partied for five years), and how if these entities target you, it will negatively impact your life in regards to your ability to form relationships, impact your sexual desires, and may impair any career/life goals.

The main question I would present to you is If religious people get no help from their god when these entities engage them in nefarious ways, do you think the Fairies would intervene if you call out for their help? Or are these rather nefarious greys/aliens/demons all just the darker elements of the fae realm?

a reply to: DreamingAvatar

Provoke fae at your own peril

I wouldnt even attempt such a thing there are as Nobody has outlined along with many others that there are consequences for such actions, even meeting them by what we would call an accident is risky and not without consequence

There is one aspect I would love to hear more about.
You mentioned that male humans are used to carry around books.

I'd imagine them to be memory sets?
Do the recipients know about it?
Do they have access to the knowledge contained in these books?

a reply to: Flyingthroughlife

Hello again Flyingthroughlife, nice to see you back. I knew an Englishman who backpacked between England and Australia in the 1960s/1970s, he described Afghanistan as the friendliest place on earth . . .

And "folks" visiting, maybe you're noticing them now.

One day I was driving my regular highway route near New Norcia Western Australia. Just off to the right I saw silver "bullet" descended vertically to the ground in as much time as it takes to say the word "three" without hurry. It would have hit the ground maybe a 1,000 yards/meters way in farmland. No air trail, no impact dust. Coincidentally, the origin location would be directly above a rather large satellite dish.

My wife who is rather intuitive was confident they were just stating "we are here".

Yeah, the third option of neither fight nor hide. That may lay in understanding and consequently learning to live together. One of the reasons in the back of my mind for this thread. Folks may find an insight here or there that makes the difference for them. Often it is one little detail that we grok and our view the world changes.

I did watch the video you posted of Dr. Karla Turner’s presentation. I thought it was very interesting that one of the common themes that she saw in her data collection was that these entities seem to have less then altruistic motives, and how they can manipulate Christian beliefs and other religious leanings as a means to control people. I also found it interesting how these entities seem to want to divert individuals from certain paths in life (ie The story of the teenager that was a family friend of Dr. Turner’s, who was doing very well in school and had lots of potential but was convinced by this entity that none of it mattered so he just delivered pizzas and partied for five years), and how if these entities target you, it will negatively impact your life in regards to your ability to form relationships, impact your sexual desires, and may impair any career/life goals.

Dr Karla Turner was one I had mixed feelings about posting. Nevertheless, there seems to be the link between the fae and "grey aliens" as the phenomenon is referred to.

I think it important to keep in mind that we don't really know what the purpose behind the abduction phenomenon is. Nor who is doing it. It may be just one, or there may be multiple perpetrators.

In the UFO forum the subject of government/military involvement comes up. Dr Turner spoke of the drugging and interrogation of witnesses. There are also talk of using the "alien abduction" as a cover for other clandestine purposes.

The key here is no one likes to be blamed for someone else's wrong doing. That includes the fae, fairies and the "greys". Maybe that is a reason why they visit my home (in the non-physical manner).

My own view is the "greys" have a lot in common with the fairy process of engineering a twin of the human girl described earlier in this thread. There is no avoiding the connection.

Author Joshua Cutchin's Thieves in the Night: A Brief History of Supernatural Child Abductions has cover art that caught my eye and is relevant within the context here. (for folks who can't see images. The artwork shows a child standing in a crib with very similar looking grey alien and fairy type faun standing in the doorway to illustrate the fairy alien connection.)

Personally I don't excuse what is done to people at these times. The experience changes one's life in many ways. My own childhood experience of being taken by "greys" was terrifying.

Someone once said to me: Forgiveness is crap, they will just do it again and again. You need to understand why and how it happened. Then you can do something to change things. - wise words.

I have probably mention my own experience previously, but I will retell what happened here.

As a five year old I woke in the middle of the night with the bed off the floor and shaken violently bouncing me in the air like a trampoline. When I was screaming in terror, a swirl of stars opened to the left and the bed upended me into it. End of memory.

Fast forward to a few years ago and a yellow grey appears in my driveway along with lights straight out of the movie Close Encounters. I wrote about this encounter a few pages ago. Since then I have gained a few insights of these Beings we call "greys".

One of the interesting things was the yellow grey I call Wednesday was there when I was taken back in the 1960s. She offered to show, and tell me about it. One of the things I asked her was the reason behind the creation of a state of terror prior to anything else.

What she said was: "it is kind."

One must careful here to understand the context. If I understand correctly, the state of terror induces compliance. They want compliant people while in their "care".

The reason for compliance is this: "You are unpredictable". The use of the word "you" was meaning: humans in general.

To put it bluntly: From their point of view, an unpredictable Being is dangerous to itself and them. Humans will anesthetize an unpredictable animal before examining it. We must have trust and be able to predict a situation. That goes for the human police who are armed with pepper spray and tasers too. That is the reality as I have come to understand it.

Fear will result in compliance. So will religious and mystical worship in the human. So we can understand the tactical use of appearing in a religious context.

continued next post

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Continued.

One of the things I have tried to do over the few years of getting to know the "greys" is to build trust. Wednesday has access to my memories and I treat her very casually as a member of my extended family. In return I get included in their "extended family" in a similar manner.

This is how we are learning to understand each other.

So first of all, the "greys", also the fae and fairies for that matter, are not human. There are a lot of differences. The big difference to my mind is the "greys" do not have subconscious minds as do humans. Therefore human psychology does not apply to them. If we don't put aside our cultural influences such as science, psychology, religion, and so on, our understanding will be built on misconceptions.

Now the "grey" and fairy connection that authors such as Joshua Culchin and Jacques Vallée has alluded to in their books.

I described earlier how a fairy finds a human girl and takes up a temporary residence in the womb. From the information in the blood of the menses, the fairy build itself a twin of the girl. Essentially the fairy builds an avatar for herself to reside within.

This is not all that different from the yellow greys I call Wednesdays. The Wednesdays are/have an avatar configuration. The consciousness originally comes from elsewhere as does consciousness in the fairy.

In the Wednesday, the internal organs are heavily modified when compared to human anatomy. The tongue is round, not flat. That indicates the tongue is not for articulating sound, thus the telepathy. No nose either come to think of it. The olfactory lobe(?) of the brain is huge. The mouth and throat connect to a stomach. The stomach reminds me also of a womb in that both disassembly and reassembly of organic substances take place in there.

In plain language, Wednesday can take a sample, disassemble it and analyze the sample in her stomach. She can then create something new in her stomach according to her designs. Designer proteins for instance. And yes, she "spits" it up.

Wednesday also has other organs. Wednesday is a bio-engineer, a scientist if you like, who resides in the equivalent of a self contained advanced fertility and biological engineering facility. All in a neat and tidy four foot tall body.

The avatars (bodys) are cloned I am informed, and it seems so to me from observation. I have seen two identical looking batches of thirty. Some were blanks. Information can be installed between batches and individuals. Vast amounts of knowledge and information can be downloaded/uploaded when they have the equivalent of "sex" with each other.

That is just the avatar I am describing.

This is way ahead of the fairys of the Isles. Far beyond the fae that I have come across too. It is technological engineering.

As with the fae and fairies, my educated guess is the avatars are made here, and the dwellers are from elsewhere.

Mankind, Homo sapiens, is said to have been here on earth for about 300,000 years. The fairies of the Isles have a human appearance and the fairy twin I have described in these pages is not very sophisticated when compared to the "grey alien".

That observation suggests to me that the "greys", due to how far they have taken the simple fairy construct of the twin, have been here for a very long time.

Geez, I have waffled on again.

The main question I would present to you is If religious people get no help from their god when these entities engage them in nefarious ways, do you think the Fairies would intervene if you call out for their help? Or are these rather nefarious greys/aliens/demons all just the darker elements of the fae realm?

Well, I'm not of the opinion that it is all nefarious. Isn't the word "nefarious" contextual and reliant upon establishing "evil" intent?

Coincidentally, it was a few days ago that an important possibility was raised to me.

It is sometimes said that the use of a religious name as an invocation scares away fairies and so-called daemons. The people seem to be sure that this works.

* The church has an established reputation for cruelty to those the church deems "evil" or "the work of the devil". The burning at the stake, torture and so on. That is an established fact. The process of conversion requires that the church first daemonise the existing aspects of the culture the church deems offensive.

So we can understand that certain names carry the reputation of cruelty and killing, especially when uttered by the exorcist. The intention is also clear. Exorcists, by the way, are perhaps the most hated of the church orders because of what they do and have done historically. Exorcists have a reputation for cruelty.

So it is understandable that fairies and others will disappear with the threat of certain words.

* Tactically speaking, it is within the realm of possibility that an psychic attack can be orchestrated, then the use of the desired "word of power" stops the "attack". A very effective tactic of conversion.

As to intervention by fae in an attack, well that may depend upon the situation. My own don't intervene for me as far as I know. The reason is that it is better I learn to stand on my own two feet and learn to defend myself.

Only once did I feel a presence swell behind me with the words "You think you are more powerful then I?" Whoever the challenger was, they did not last long. I suspect it was a human who invoked the wrath of god. Usually those curses are directed at me and those I protect. So an unusual event.

Or are these rather nefarious greys/aliens/demons all just the darker elements of the fae realm?

I have never encountered a real "daemon". Plenty that match the lay description, but I don't see them that way.

There is a very dark side to the fae, I know that.

How does that happen?

Let's take the creation of the fairy twin in the human child.

The fairy takes up residence and is intimately connected to the child. The fairy experiences what happens to the child and learns about life and the fairy's understanding grows accordingly.The fairy has multiple encounters and builds itself out of the emotions and feelings of the girls.

The fairy also builds itself out of the feelings of the people the girls encounter and what they do to the girls.

Now if the lives of those girls is normal and there is kindness, character building hardships and so on, the fairy becomes accordingly.

Now what if the girls experience the religious persecution of the Inquisitions? The fairy will become something very different. The fairy will know that humans are capable of the most horrendous acts of hatred and cruelty. The fairy will also understand the intentions behind the hatred and cruelty, the killing.

One must ask what will that fairy become when it experiences what happens to those the fairy loves dearly?

That is the creation of the dark side of the fae in many cases.

The bottom line here, in many cases, humans create the "daemons" themselves by their actions. It is also not difficult to understand where the responsibility lays.

This can be fixed in time in the fairy, but humanity has to stop doing cruel things first. Otherwise it will never end.

a reply to: Terpene

There is one aspect I would love to hear more about.
You mentioned that male humans are used to carry around books.

I'd imagine them to be memory sets?
Do the recipients know about it?
Do they have access to the knowledge contained in these books?

Females too, The first time I caught on to the existence of the "books" was seeing them in the aetheric body of my female drinking partner of the time. All old Celtic lives in those books.

One notices these new (to me) oddities from time to time, then it is: what the hell is that about?

Memory sets is just as good a description as pages and books.

I doubt anyone would really know about being couriers, or keepers of knowledge these days. At least not in Western civilization. Maybe some of the occultists might know.

I can't objective-consciousness-wise read the things myself, my RVing partner could. She used to read those things. Personally I am not a fan of preserving the past.

The records are one of those things one comes across, check out how it works and then you know what all the cloak and dagger occult stuff is about. One can avoid getting caught up in it then.

Though it was interesting when the elder(?) greys gave Wednesday the memories of a long dead human girl. I don't have the heart to tell a little girl to "f' off!" like when Wednesday was just another "grey alien". So I was snookered tactically and oh well; let her hang about.

It was when I noticed Wednesday was lonely and a tad sad that I asked her about it. Wednesday remembered an older brother who was adored. So we tracked down the long dead older brother's memory set and installed it in a different blank Wednesday.

Brother and sister reunited. Quite the touching moment. I would like to introduce the experience of family and romance to the greys. Growing up in a family, first love, first broken heart. Falling in love again, having children and creating a family of their own. I think they have forgotten and need reminding - my retirement project maybe. Meanwhile humans are all excited over the idea of trans-humanism.

One thing though: When fishing for men, the best bait is knowledge. - they bite almost every time.

That is why I couldn't care less about knowledge, it is safer.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Just replying to you in general about "obelisks" now one thing is the obelisk at loch moy
which I fully plan to go and visit, I will let you know when im there but I wanted you to take a look at another couple closer to home if you have the time

Since glasgow has the necropolis where the ley lines pass through and many other sites in glasgow the churches etc.
I wanted to ask you about two obelisks

the lord nelson one at glasgow green its huge 44m tall, which was built by a mason.
and the one at queens park the battle of langside monument its not so much an obelisk like the nelson one
but is an important monument I wonder if anything intersting about it you think ?

nelsons monument

and

langside monument


ANother intersting side note I have a huge hawthorn tree in my garden and Ive told everyone to leave it well alone
and if I sell my house Ill even tell the new owners not to cut it down.

My friend who lives in the Kingdom of fife has invited me out to see an old pict site with pagan carvings and some stone cirlces
so I will take pictures and share them with you when we go visit , apparently this place no one really visits and knows that much about as its off the beaten track.

the pics he has sent me are really interesting especially the carvings and the standing stones.
I do plan to visit schihallion though as the fae connection there is meant to be quite strong and people have often reported many strange occurences and visitations.

I cant remember if I sent you this link about schiehallion already

Fairy hill of the Caledonians

originally posted by: NobodySpecial268

One thing though: When fishing for men, the best bait is knowledge. - they bite almost every time.

That is why I couldn't care less about knowledge, it is safer.

It sounds to me like your are more about developing one-on-one relationships with whoever is willing and interested instead of pursuing broad general understanding. Maybe I've misunderstood.

It's interesting that you use Wednesday as both the name for a specific individual and for a class of creatures. Have the Wednesdays with human memories used or responded to the names of the humans whose memories they hold? Do you think they "remember" the memories without identifying with the individual who was the source of the memories?

I've had a life long irrational fear of the classic gray, but reading about your Wednesday has shifted my perception. It was eye opening to think of them as maybe being scientists doing a job as efficiently as possible instead of malevolent others pursuing inscrutable but terrifying endeavors.


Thanks.

a reply to: Denaso

It sounds to me like your are more about developing one-on-one relationships with whoever is willing and interested instead of pursuing broad general understanding. Maybe I've misunderstood.

You're exactly right Denaso.

I treat everyone, "grey", fairy or otherwise like the people I meet walking down the street in town. Until I get to know them as individuals I am cautious. Lots of good folks out there, some I don't want to know and there are always a few bad people to avoid.

It's interesting that you use Wednesday as both the name for a specific individual and for a class of creatures. Have the Wednesdays with human memories used or responded to the names of the humans whose memories they hold?

I met the individual and gave her the nickname in fun. Then found out there were more of them all the same. They are connected in a psychic network. So a "class" of "grey" fits too. There are other ones that are different "classes" and I've kept my home grown naming convention.

From another thread:

Studying the avatars seems to be a way forward in understanding.

The more I study, the more I am thinking that for many types of Beings avatars of some sort are necessary to manifest within our Euclidean space and time. Maybe the avatar is the equivalent of clothes in a way.

Maybe that applies to the flying saucers too? I dunno, haven't seen one of those up close to know. Some of the really ancient floating cities(?) seem to be.

There are eight different sorts of "greys" so far. Tentatively I'm thinking the big grey ones should be called Fridays. The little ones with huge oval eyes are penciled in as Mondays. Unless the little ones turn out to be something else.

It is going to take months to work this out, then I can compare my notes on the bio-engineering done by the fae.

Tentatively, there is a fairy basis to the "grey" avatar biotechnology. Like the "greys" are actually far older than humanity.

The avatars are (I am reasonably sure) locally created, and the Beings who use the avatars are the actual intrusions into our Euclidean space and time.

I have enough (grey) avatar types to make an eight day week. Gotta think up a new name for the eighth day.

As to them responding to the names from the memories, I have not noticed any tendencies.

Do you think they "remember" the memories without identifying with the individual who was the source of the memories?

They can do a mesmerism thing with their eyes, Wednesday tried it out on me. So it is best to avoid looking into their eyes.

However, when the human memories were present, she didn't try the mesmerism. So I could gaze into her eyes and catch the emotions and intents.

That is when I knew about the memories. Appearances aside, it was like looking into the eyes of a human child of about eight or nine years of age. I couldn't hurt her then, she got past all my defenses.

She was the "grey" first, and the girl second. I think she could switch between the two. Kinda like the principal of shape-shifting, one might call it memory-shifting.

I've had a life long irrational fear of the classic gray, but reading about your Wednesday has shifted my perception. It was eye opening to think of them as maybe being scientists doing a job as efficiently as possible instead of malevolent others pursuing inscrutable but terrifying endeavors.

I'm glad it helped. I had the irrational fear too for a long time, but not so much now. Like people in the street there are some you don't want to know, so I try not to generalize.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

I read the post you quoted in that other thread shortly after I posted my question in this one. Isn't that the way?

Thanks very much for replying to my questions.

Once upon a time I used to live in a house whose lounge room had a massive tree right next it. The lounge room had floor to ceiling windows and it gave the impression of bringing the tree into the lounge room and because the lounge was on the second level of the home it was a number of metres in the air.

I used to meditate in this beautiful spot and after a weeks/months became aware of sitting and being within the aura of the tree. I had done so many hours of meditation at this point in my life that I was developing an awareness of myself as a being of energy. As time passed I started to notice the following chain of events.

One I would sit and be still by placing my awareness on my breath, two I perceive the energy of my being (my thoughts, my feelings and my physical presence gradually moving from gross to subtle), three I become aware of the trees presence, four perceive the trees aura (it appeared as a visual feeling), five and here is the point, I began to see through closed eyes little points of light flittering about around the trunk, branches and leaves, within the confines of the trees aura. After witnessing these little points of light, whose motion reminded me of steady butterflies, I realised I was watching the activities of what people call faeries. I could only witness the situation I could not interact or communicate. I felt they did not notice me.

I have come to believe most humans have lost the ability to perceive energy directly, or rather, are no longer aware that there is an aspect of awareness that enables this level of perception let alone being able to experience it consciously and use it with purpose. And IMHO this creates a veil of sorts that prevents us witnessing a form of life that is right in front of us.

Nobody you state in the OP;

"And so a very effective wedge is driven between the human and the fairies.

In modern times, psychology has taken the reigns. To see Beings others cannot see, to hear their voices others cannot hear is according to science hallucinations, and worse madness.

In this day and age, to seriously speak of fairies is to invite ridicule. So too, to tell other people that you see aliens and UFOs, can court disaster."

I agree with your sentiments, I'd only add that the external world keeps us so busy that inner truths reached through meditation are beyond the experience of most people. Not because they can't or won't but because they don't even realise whats possible and less again can be bothered to put in the time and effort on something that is intangible.

I told my daughters I've seen faeries first hand and tried to explain that you can't see them with physical eyes but they don't believe me and just roll their eyes. Maybe I am mad!

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Do I get that right, these are records kept by the oc"cults", inside unknowing humans? That's risky! I don't get the purpose.

How common do you think it is?
Can these books be removed, stolen?
What happens if one would accidentally access the information?
What if he keeps the book?
What if he shares the content?

a reply to: sapien82

I cant remember if I sent you this link about schiehallion already

Aye, that's the one that takes you to Queen Mab : )

I have some spare time now so I'll have a look at the three obelisks over the next few days and see what I can come up with.

This fella found some connections with loch Moy and a few locations which is interesting. have a look.

Can you dowse sapien? Like with the 'L' rods or pendulum?

a reply to: Denaso

Aye, I have noticed a few synchronicities on this thread : )

a reply to: Slowhand

Aye, I would agree to all you say there Slowhand.

My grown kids give me funny looks if I speak of these things. Yet they will come and ask me to fix things "esoteric".

Someone on another thread, made the observation that were a fairy to consciously befriend a child, great harm might eventuate if the child spoke about it openly at school for instance. One would expect the school psychologists to be alerted. So there is also the reluctance of the fae to approach people these days.

With your meditations upon plants and the fairies within, I have not spent any time delving. To sit down and meditate is a skill I have not practiced, so I know very little from that perspective and with those fairies within the trees.

I'm sure you would be very welcome here in sharing your experiences. I would love to hear myself.

a reply to: Terpene

Do I get that right, these are records kept by the oc"cults", inside unknowing humans? That's risky! I don't get the purpose.

Living Occultists probably know about them. On the "inner" it is common knowledge.

Personally I don't know much about the unseen goings on. People I know in life have gone sightseeing in Europe and brought home "souvenirs" they are unaware of after visiting churches. The "souvenirs" attracted unwelcome (to him) attention, so we looked into it. The solution was to physically visit a certain catholic church here in West Australia so he could deliver his "esoteric parcel".

Knowledge circulates in mysterious and unseen ways in this world ; )

How common do you think it is?

Dunno.

Can these books be removed, stolen?

Yeah, of course they can, that's the "cloak and dagger" part.

What happens if one would accidentally access the information?

I dunno, I would have to watch the fiasco.

What if he keeps the book?

He would have to know about it in the first place.

What if he shares the content?

I shared Margaret's memory of the Little Blue Fairy here. Margaret's life can be considered a "page" (perhaps) of a greater "book".