Verdict GUILTY

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: TXRabbit

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
Twelve people did what they thought they had to do because they were pressured by precieved and possibly real threats to their families and their city.

Prove it

They weren't sequestered for 10 months. That's proof in and of itself, not to mention the woman caught on Day 2 of the trial with her phone, taking pictures. That's enough to see there was a potential for the jurors to feel threatened/intimidated, especially in the environment of today's society.

Or maybe they formed their own independent conclusions based on the evidence provided and the arguments presented.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I have to agree here. If you read about the jurors you have one who supports BLM but said it would not influence him. Do you really think he will be impartial? That would be like David Duke in the jury box at the OJ trial....

a reply to: TzarChasm

I think everyone on ATS needs to be sequestered. Forever. In a FEMA camp.

a reply to: matafuchs

You guys keep saying the jury was intimidated but you have provided no proof. At this point you're just grasping on to a false narrative because you can't handle the reality if the situation.

What we do know is that every member on that jury swore under oath that they had not been influenced by any events leading up to the time they were selected to be on that jury.

If evidence comes out that, since the start of the trial, members of the jury were coerced or threatened then that is certainly grounds for a re-trial. But until such evidence is provided, the records will show that the members of that jury believe Chauvin used excessive force against Floyd and that force directly contributed to Floyd's death.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

You do understand that "technique" has been banned by that department?
Cause, you know, its not as bad as everyone has made it out to be.

That technique has been used millions of times and no one died, so what killed Floyd...

Do you know they did it as a political statement just like the 27 million payout. OK ban it all and we are back to taser or just shooting the guy. Both are considered lethal so which one do you want to replace it with?

This isn't a playground where the guy fights off 3 cops for like 10 mins then say OK I give...

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: TzarChasm

I think everyone on ATS needs to be sequestered. Forever. In a FEMA camp.

But then the terrorists win. Or was it the immigrants?

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Just based on the definitions and the facts of the case, Floyd's buddy that is in jail and sold him drugs should also be charged with murder. I wonder if he will face any charges? The fentanyl and whatever else he sold Floyd also contributed to his death.

He was released before the verdict was read. He was out in Minneapolis.

No, I'm not kidding. This is like the City of Ferguson giving a job to Michael Brown's friend because he was there with Brown. Didn't matter he was involved in robbing that corner store or that his proven lie of "hands up don't shoot" is still used by retarts across the country.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
But then the terrorists win. Or was it the immigrants?

Same thing.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Accidental death is manslaughter. You can word it anyway you want and say it was stupid but pause for a second.

this would mean if you are being stupid playing on a roof and a friend fell and died it is now...murder?
This would mean if someone is loading a gun and kills someone it is now...murder?
If someone hits a bystander with a car when their tire blows oulr it is....murder?

It is not about incorrect it is precedent. Some of you will never learn.

To me this is not about black or white. BLM is already showing they could care less about any verdict.

It was most certainly manslaughter if the description of murder 2 & 3 that they showed in this trial were accurate.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: matafuchs
Accidental death is manslaughter.

This wasn't accidental, which is why he got charged and convicted of murder. I know it's tough for you to see since your amazing experience with the law is telling you otherwise but this is what actually happened.

How was it not accidental? It was never proven in court that Chauvin had intent to kill Floyd, therefore according to the definition of murder 1 & 2 that were shown in the trial did not match up with this case. mata is correct that by definition, this was manslaughter.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: LSU2018

213 shootings by the police against criminals so far in 2021. 30 (THIRTY) came against blacks.

So?

Was George Floyd shot?

What was his crime?

No he was not, and that stat goes down even further for his race. Floyd was guilty of trying to buy cigarettes and a banana with a counterfeit $20, confronted by the cashier afterwards, and wouldn't give back what he bought. Then he resisted arrest after the police were called, and in the meantime had swallowed all of the drugs he'd just gotten from his friend and ended up overdosing while being restrained - due to resisting - on the street. Chauvin could have been charged with manslaughter, but not with murder 1 & 2 which mean he intended to kill Floyd.

a reply to: LSU2018



Just a thought.

originally posted by: LSU2018
How was it not accidental?

LOL. How? Did he slip and fall on his neck or did he hold his knee there for nine minutes? That's your answer.

He didn't need intent as has been explained more times than I can count as murder two in Minnesota doesn't require intent. I know all the junior legal eagles posting here with their law degrees from mega-Lib colleges like Stanford, Harvard and Yale cannot be wrong but they are.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Excessive force is opinion though. The defense never proved that. Was his clavicle broken? He did not even have bruising so a knee on his back did not kill him.

Again, I do not really care what happens to Chauvin. I have already said if they wanted to find him guilty of Manslaughter I could see how that would happen.

He did not murder George Floyd. That is just for the narrative that can now be pushed and was by our own president calling the USA racist last night. If anything this was a sad day for America.

People are gonna see what they want, to hell with the facts brought up for 2 weeks in this case. Chauvin was their sacrificial lamb, a stoned junkie criminal their martyr.

Potter will be next, the democrats will have their animals out destroying cities in the name of Daunte Wright to make sure of it.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: matafuchs

The fact that the jury find him guilty of murder means the prosecution did prove use of excessive force. You may not believe they did, but the 12 people on that jury did.

That's aggravated manslaughter, not murder 2 or murder 3.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: matafuchs

The fact that the jury find him guilty of murder means the prosecution did prove use of excessive force. You may not believe they did, but the 12 people on that jury did.

That's aggravated manslaughter, not murder 2 or murder 3.

Are you suddenly a lawyer now?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: LSU2018

If any juror was influenced by any events or developments that occurred before the trial, then Chauvin only has his lawyer to blame for failing at jury selection.

In this environment, being selected in a trial like this is as bad as someone calling you on a public line and telling you about a crime they committed. It's inevitable that you'll have to be involved in some way or another. For a juror, if you drop out then you're targeted for not doing your civic duty to bring a cop down. I don't expect this to make sense to you because you're always on the left side of things, but I can see why the jury went the way it did. Maybe in the next one, the jurors can remain anonymous and go virtual. It's the only safe way now.

Odd, What I saw was a POS not only murder a man, but did it with lust and pleasure. He was even holding his dick in his hand as he did it.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Interesting how a court case verdict discussion turned to elephant and donkey....or maybe not?

Of course it did. "Top" democrats came out and said words that they knew would frighten the jury. Anyone who watched the entire trial could see that Chauvin had no intent to kill Floyd (who was proven to die of an overdose BTW), so the murder 2 & 3 charges were totally bogus. Involuntary manslaughter should have been the charge, if anything, but not murder at any level.

On the bright side, since the children got what they wanted, we can now watch cities burn in the name Daunte Wright until Kim Potter is charged with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Degree Murder.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: TXRabbit

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
Twelve people did what they thought they had to do because they were pressured by precieved and possibly real threats to their families and their city.

Prove it

They weren't sequestered for 10 months. That's proof in and of itself, not to mention the woman caught on Day 2 of the trial with her phone, taking pictures. That's enough to see there was a potential for the jurors to feel threatened/intimidated, especially in the environment of today's society.

Or maybe they formed their own independent conclusions based on the evidence provided and the arguments presented.

You could be right, I just don't see how you could charge him with the intent to kill someone when it was never proven in court. Of course, there are still people out there who think OJ is innocent so this just goes to show that once your mind is made up, nothing can change it.

a reply to: Lucidparadox
Clearly you weren't paying attention. They tried putting him in the car he fought and kicked and screamed he was claustrophobic. Ford then asked to be put on the ground.

When they got him back out of the car he tried to kick one of the officers.

That's how floyd ended up in that situation.

He was non compliant on all orders the police gave they held him down until the paramedics arrived like they were supposed to.

Floyd was a danger to himself and everyone else they had no choice but to hold him there.