Verdict GUILTY

a reply to: SecretKnowledge

I have never said he was not guilty. I do not believe he is guilty of all three charges.

a reply to: beyondknowledge


He most definitely was mate

a reply to: beyondknowledge
So, no evidence of threats to the jury, or their families?
Surely you wouldn't have invented that claim?

a reply to: shooterbrody

So will you recant your besmirchment of the regular people that did their civic duty in jury service?

How is a criticizing of how the system used the jury a "besmirchment" of anyone on the jury? Are you not understanding that they were not sequestered properly and instructed properly?

You seem to be blaming the nail when the hammer misses it and messes up the paint when it was the person holding the handle that is to blame.

a reply to: shooterbrody
Give it time. The truth will squeez out faster the harder they try to keep a hold on it.

a reply to: beyondknowledge
You made specific claims about the jury and their verdict.
You have refused to post specific evidence of such.
YOU called their dignity into question.
Put up or shut up.

As far as I know they presented a verdict they believed to be true and just.

Your malarkey about "the system " appears to be a poor cover for bs claims you pulled from your backside.
Please present the evidence or recant your claim about the 12 regular people who did their civic duty.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: rickymouse

This trial sets precedence that officers can be charged with serious crimes for doing their job if the criminals press charges against them if they get hurt in the struggle.

In fevered right-wing imaginations, perhaps. Not in real life.

If you think this is a problem, support a firearms ban.

Remember, the officer does not need to actually be proven guilty, having to pay the lawyer fees to protect oneself can bankrupt someone.

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
a reply to: shooterbrody
Twelve people did what they thought they had to do because they were pressured by precieved and possibly real threats to their families and their city.

Are you OK with justice being controlled that way?

What threats to the juries families?
What threat to the city?
Law enforcement would love to follow-up on your information.
Please enlighten us all as to your claim?

a reply to: shooterbrody
I see you are being unreasonable in speculating on how this court case actually happened and how it will turn out. I have never stated that I have all the facts. I do know how things have worked out in the recent past. The BLM carjacking protest, the shooting of that 13 year old possessing a gun just before the shooting, there are several other examples of how conclusions were leaped to only to be proven wrong shortly thereafter.

I make no claims as to evidence yet. Time will reveal the truth and a lot of you will be shocked if you cannot even consider the possibilities.

I thought this was a conspiricy site. If no one mentions the possibility then how will it be proven right or wrong.

Again, why are you thinking my comments on how the court system worked or did not in this case have anything to do with the members of the jury?

a reply to: beyondknowledge
Because you specifically mentioned threats to the juries families and the city.

Those threats would be illegal.
Information about such would be helpful to law enforcement.

If they were not threatened, then they simply performed their civic duty to the best of their ability.

So is it threats or no threats?

a reply to: rickymouse

This trial sets precedence that officers can be charged with serious crimes for doing their job if the criminals press charges against them if they get hurt in the struggle.

No it doesn't. Why? There was no struggle in this case.

Chauvin was over-charged and over-convicted in my opinion, but it doesn't take away from what he did.

I'll say it again, there is no reason what-so-ever to kneel on a subdued suspects neck for 10 minutes, ever.

Maybe I have too much tin foil in my hat. I made one reply and it exploded with emotional accusations and misunderstandings.

I seem to have dug up a hornets nest but at least some of you might consider where this case is going to end up and how it got there instead of what the msm tells you.

I will not apologize about what I have said about the jury. It was not their fault they were manipulated by the msm and the court system.

I still say there is someting not right in this trial and don't agree that he is guilty of all three charges. I do think he is guilty of manslaughter but I think the others were added on to sooth the protesters and get the results thrown out on appeal.

Time will tell if I am right or wrong about the other speculations that I will be seeking evidence for and I hope you also seek the truth. I don't care if I am proven right or wrong as long as it is the truth and not something from government approved msm.

It is late. Good night/evening/day/morning to all.

originally posted by: Vector99
I simply was making a comment about how felony used to be a bad thing, but is all too common nowadays due to changes in laws.

Well I do agree with you.... I mean you can be an old guy with a disabled wife and a full swat team with dogs, helos, boats and CNN come take you out....lol

originally posted by: Vector99

Chauvin was over-charged and over-convicted in my opinion, but it doesn't take away from what he did.

I'll say it again, there is no reason what-so-ever to kneel on a subdued suspects neck for 10 minutes, ever.

Are you an expert? The guy was 230 6'4" and freaking out on drugs. You act like his kneeling was some killing method and it seems it has been used a ton of times, so how many other deaths has it caused? You sound so Chappelle...Well at least you had a chance to watch all the videos, so I give him a break.

How about this...you do it until the medical staff arrives...you need to remember if you looked at the videos 3 cops were having a hard time with him. Once he was on the ground they could say the situation was secured.

Have someone do that to you...It is not as bad as everyone has made it to out to be. They estimated he had 80 pounds of his 140 pounds of weight on him, Crowder did it the same thing in an experiment, hands cuffed, on cement, but used a guy who weighted 230 pounds for 10 mins. He talked the whole time, said it sucked... didn't die... Go figure...

BTW how long should it have been 8 7 3 1... There is no timeout when a guy freaks out on you... I also blame the crowd too, maybe it would have been different if they didn't have a hostile crowd.

a reply to: Xtrozero

He was handcuffed and laying on his stomach, there was no threat, the force was excessive plain and simple.

originally posted by: Vector99

He was handcuffed and laying on his stomach, there was no threat, the force was excessive plain and simple.

He fought his way through 3 cops handcuffed... I do not think he felt a thing BTW as to where his mind was...

a reply to: Xtrozero
You do understand that "technique" has been banned by that department?
Cause, you know, its not as bad as everyone has made it out to be.

So now that it's done, and he was convicted on all three charges, I have to ask: Were the riots, murders, looting, etc.. justified? See, the people didn't even give the system a chance to work. They immediately started burning everything down and destroying cities, but in the end, the system gave them what they wanted. It's like accusing someone of stealing your money, then finding it in your own pocket.

When Rodney King was beaten by police, LA did not suddenly break out in riots. It was after the officers were acquitted that the riots began.

So, those of you who supported the riots, do you still think they were justified? Necessary? Helpful?

I can probably guess that someone might hold the view that had the riots not happened, the outcome of the case might have been different, and that is even more concerning because that would indicate that the jury did not follow the judges orders to put those things aside. If the riots didn't sway the jury, then they were for nothing and caused massive pain and suffering to many, many people.

a reply to: Xtrozero

There is a clear point that he becomes completely unresponsive, yet they kept restraining him. It was excessive force.