Verdict GUILTY

Well frankly you shouldn't be surprised by what I have said I've seen because that's what everybody saw.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: MayRenee
Odd, What I saw was a POS not only murder a man, but did it with lust and pleasure. He was even holding his dick in his hand as he did it.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Interesting how a court case verdict discussion turned to elephant and donkey....or maybe not?

Of course it did. "Top" democrats came out and said words that they knew would frighten the jury. Anyone who watched the entire trial could see that Chauvin had no intent to kill Floyd (who was proven to die of an overdose BTW), so the murder 2 & 3 charges were totally bogus. Involuntary manslaughter should have been the charge, if anything, but not murder at any level.

On the bright side, since the children got what they wanted, we can now watch cities burn in the name Daunte Wright until Kim Potter is charged with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Degree Murder.

I'm not at all surprised that that's what you saw.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Just finished watching the morning news, CNN is having a party. While over on FOX the sad pandas there are using the ATS talking points about the jury, or is it the other way around...

Do you think it was a just decision?

Pretty sure he does.

originally posted by: MayRenee
Well frankly you shouldn't be surprised by what I have said I've seen because that's what everybody saw.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: MayRenee
Odd, What I saw was a POS not only murder a man, but did it with lust and pleasure. He was even holding his dick in his hand as he did it.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Interesting how a court case verdict discussion turned to elephant and donkey....or maybe not?

Of course it did. "Top" democrats came out and said words that they knew would frighten the jury. Anyone who watched the entire trial could see that Chauvin had no intent to kill Floyd (who was proven to die of an overdose BTW), so the murder 2 & 3 charges were totally bogus. Involuntary manslaughter should have been the charge, if anything, but not murder at any level.

On the bright side, since the children got what they wanted, we can now watch cities burn in the name Daunte Wright until Kim Potter is charged with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Degree Murder.

I'm not at all surprised that that's what you saw.

A jury of Chauvins peers did see it as well.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: olaru12
How was the jury coerced into giving a guilty verdict?

The same way blacks avoided white areas back when the democrats had the KKK burning crosses in front yards of the people they aimed to threaten and intimidate.

I missed the part where they planted a burning cross in front of the courthouse.

Did you miss the part where the severed pig head was planted in front of the house of one of the witnesses?

Has it ever been explained how that witness was identified? Wouldn't that suggest a leak of some sort? Which would mean likely the identity if ALL jurists was compromised before the trial ended?

originally posted by: LSU2018
mata is correct that by definition, this was manslaughter.

Well they also could not prove what killed him. The best they could do was say in the last two mins he should have been more involved in his health condition. EMS also didn't seem to involved either at first, so what gives there too?

When Floyd was responsible for 99% of his own death, hard to even say manslaughter...

a reply to: LSU2018

There were a number of jurors originally selected that ended up not making it to the final jury due to developments making them unable to remain impartial.

For example, when the settlement was reached one juror that had been selected told the judge that the new information prevented them from making an impartial decision. They were removed from the jury and a new juror was selected. I don't recall hearing anyone threaten or berate that juror. Do you?

originally posted by: TzarChasm

Racism was a strong undertone in this proceeding, but the actual moral of the trial was holding the police force accountable for their violent unethical practices. Chauvin has set a precedent that serves as a cautionary tale for the LEO of America.

He fought them for 10 mins, so what would you have liked them to do Taser him instead? That unethical practice was what replaced "choking" many years ago and has been used millions of times with no one dying, so what killed Floyd?

a reply to: LSU2018

In the state of Minnesota intent to kill is not required for a charge of Murder 2 & 3. In fact, Murder 3 is only applied in cases where there is no intent to kill.

Stopped by to see what the ATS board had to say about all of this, and I wasn't disappointed.

I think that this society is bone tired of the belligerence and the in-your-face lies of the last 4 years, and they're hungry for a very different kind of day-to-day American experience. They're not sympathetic or even tolerant of the weird MAGA gaslight revisionism anymore, and that annoyingly predictable knee-jerk self-pity and paranoia response to every little slight has become a real turnoff. There's just so much of that ugly disingenuous crap that anyone's going to put up with, so the jury's verdict was no surprise.

For me, the worst part of it all is how irritatingly dependable this self-satisfied, tribal response to that jury verdict has been. Just tiresome as hell.

No cops are going to walk off their jobs over this. Why would they? No decent cop wants a psychopath in their ranks. No decent cop disagrees with convicting the kind of animal that could proudly and belligerently do what Chauvin did to Floyd while he watched people recording him do it; especially considering the extended length of time it took him to do it. Seriously. What kind of deranged person [cop or civilian] doesn't even bother to adjust to the situation that he's initiated after it's become as obvious to everyone there as it was that the situation itself has completely changed. Any cop that's worth the badge would've adjusted the situation as soon as it was clear that all of George's resistance had ceased, and would've placed him into the backseat and gotten on with the rest of his day. Not Chauvin, though. Not while he was still establishing his dominance over . . . over what . . . I don't know . . . perhaps his competitive urge had, by then, been redirected to the several witnesses standing in front of him as Floyd died beneath him. If so, then that's not a guy you want as your partner, and any cop could tell you that.

What was Chauvin waiting for anyway? Give me a break. His collar was already dead under his knees, and had been for over three minutes by the time he lifted off him. If the EMTs hadn't come and tapped him off, when was he going to come to the decision to progress that situation to putting Floyd in the squad car? That was easily one of the longest and most patient murders ever recorded, and that long, deliberate pacing of the act has gotta be seen as the most disturbing aspect of it.

No cop would ever want to have to depend on a soulless freak like Chauvin in a bad situation.

Chauvin was convicted by a jury of his peers, and if your partisan urgings require that you reject that verdict, then that's your own hell to navigate. It's too bad that recent tribalism pressures have sentenced so many Americans to angry, depressing prison hells that they would've otherwise avoided had the last several years played out differently.

Bringing a guilty man to justice and trying a man in our criminal justice system are two different things.

Our criminal justice system is specifically set up to give the accused every opportunity to be found not guilty of a crime; this is true because we as a society have decided that it is a much better outcome to let a guilty man go free than to mistakenly punish an innocent man.

If no other injustice was perpetrated by Chauvin that day than he most certainly ran afoul on the above. By being responsible for the death of a man who was "allegedly" committing a crime punished a potentially innocent man in order to make sure he helped punish the guilty. And for that Chauvin must be brought to justice. An impartial jury of his pears are to decide the level of crime committed and punishment.

But that same virtue of our society applies to the trial of Chauvin. Our criminal justice system is specifically set up to give the accused every opportunity to be found not guilty of a crime because we as a society have decided that it is a much better outcome to let a guilty man go free than to mistakenly punish an innocent man.

Chauvin can be guilty of a crime as horrific as murder 1 and being punished for that crime may be considered "justice"; but the media and political circus surrounding this trial most likely infringed on Chauvin's right to a fair trial and that is antithetical to the criminal justice system we want in our society.

I see no victory for anyone involved in this case ... except the media and politicians.

originally posted by: LSU2018
That's called restraining.

It's called murder when you do it until the person is dead.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Do you think it was a just decision?

Are you asking me if Chauvin murdered that man and got what he had coming to him? Yeah.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: LSU2018
I never put words in you mouth..you said it! This is what you said!

What's your suggestion the next time a criminal resists police, should they just let him go?

You said I wanted no in-between. The in-between was restraining an erratic suspect to get him in the cop car, who then began showing symptoms of overdosing and was kept there until paramedics arrived. It was proven in court that when a suspect is on drugs like that and struggle/exert lots of energy for that long (resisting), they can pass out and then pop up full of adrenaline. They were keeping him restrained in case he popped up. Floyd wasn't some little popcorn fart, he was a big dude.

originally posted by: vonclod

Pretty sure he does.

Well let this be a lesson learned to all cops to quit and start a different career.

originally posted by: MayRenee
Well frankly you shouldn't be surprised by what I have said I've seen because that's what everybody saw.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: MayRenee
Odd, What I saw was a POS not only murder a man, but did it with lust and pleasure. He was even holding his dick in his hand as he did it.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Interesting how a court case verdict discussion turned to elephant and donkey....or maybe not?

Of course it did. "Top" democrats came out and said words that they knew would frighten the jury. Anyone who watched the entire trial could see that Chauvin had no intent to kill Floyd (who was proven to die of an overdose BTW), so the murder 2 & 3 charges were totally bogus. Involuntary manslaughter should have been the charge, if anything, but not murder at any level.

On the bright side, since the children got what they wanted, we can now watch cities burn in the name Daunte Wright until Kim Potter is charged with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Degree Murder.

I'm not at all surprised that that's what you saw.

That's correct. Everybody who didn't bother watching the trial because their minds were already made up. You talk like your only information came from the angry little guy wearing mismatched socks with sandals. You know, the MMA expert champ who lost 6 of his 11 fights.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: olaru12
How was the jury coerced into giving a guilty verdict?

The same way blacks avoided white areas back when the democrats had the KKK burning crosses in front yards of the people they aimed to threaten and intimidate.

I missed the part where they planted a burning cross in front of the courthouse.

Did you miss the part where the severed pig head was planted in front of the house of one of the witnesses?

Has it ever been explained how that witness was identified? Wouldn't that suggest a leak of some sort? Which would mean likely the identity if ALL jurists was compromised before the trial ended?

Nope, no way, never! Especially not in a high profile case like this one where jurors weren't sequestered. At least that's what I've gathered from some here on ATS, and of course CNN and other totally honest MSM.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Well let this be a lesson learned to all cops to quit and start a different career.

I always like the overly hyperbolic approach because in life there is no middle ground. You're either a murdering cop or you're letting the criminals run free, there's no in between.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: LSU2018
mata is correct that by definition, this was manslaughter.

Well they also could not prove what killed him. The best they could do was say in the last two mins he should have been more involved in his health condition. EMS also didn't seem to involved either at first, so what gives there too?

When Floyd was responsible for 99% of his own death, hard to even say manslaughter...

I agree, my argument is that if there was anything they should have charged Chauvin with, it's manslaughter, and I think in a fair trial they'd be lucky to even get that.

originally posted by: BrokenCircles

originally posted by: CryHavoc

originally posted by: BrokenCircles
then he might still be alive

You really think that with 4 times the leathal dose, he would have live if left alone? Better that the Police left him alone.

No, but if he had overdosed at the hospital, then he might have had more of a chance of survival.

Had he not committed a crime, he'd have died in his car.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

The definition used in court said "intent".

I don't know.