Verdict GUILTY

a reply to: Bunch

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originally posted by: beyondknowledge
Maybe I have too much tin foil in my hat. I made one reply and it exploded with emotional accusations and misunderstandings.

I seem to have dug up a hornets nest but at least some of you might consider where this case is going to end up and how it got there instead of what the msm tells you.

I will not apologize about what I have said about the jury. It was not their fault they were manipulated by the msm and the court system.

I still say there is someting not right in this trial and don't agree that he is guilty of all three charges. I do think he is guilty of manslaughter but I think the others were added on to sooth the protesters and get the results thrown out on appeal.

Time will tell if I am right or wrong about the other speculations that I will be seeking evidence for and I hope you also seek the truth. I don't care if I am proven right or wrong as long as it is the truth and not something from government approved msm.

It is late. Good night/evening/day/morning to all.

Jesus Christ man. You made a claim, got called on it and refuse to simply admit you were wrong.

Deny Ignorance?

I don't understand something. First I don't think, since the verdict was just issued today, that there has been enough time for any information to come out whether or not - whether OR not - the juror members were intimidated in some way. So, if someone who takes one side and says that the jurors WERE intimidated in some way can't provide information to support his side, that doesn't automatically justify the other side and make them right, does it? I mean, nobody is asking the other side to provide proof that the jurors weren't intimidated. I just don't think there's been enough time to ascertain this yet. But if one side is wrong, so is the other. Until the truth comes out, please just wait and see, eh?

Usual people defending the status quo, pretending justice has been done.

Did you people look at the evidence, watch the court case? If so, do you mind explaining how this was a clear cut case. The man has been charged with a media slant. The narrative was already set, even when presented with evidence to the contrary, do you know how hard it is to make someone see the truth, when all they've consumed is propaganda?

The 'ahem' peaceful people told us that 'rage' is coming. The same 'peaceful people's said the cities would burn and businesses should just get ready to be looted (you know, a fresh pair of Nikes really adds to your cause).

The same 'peaceful people' said we should get out there and riot more, the PRESIDENT said he was optimistic about the 'right verdict' being given.

The jury would have known all this, it would be impossible not to have known (I've sat on a large complicated jury case before, drug smuggling). The jury will have seen the pigs blood smeared on the old home of the 'use of force' witness. This should have been a mistrial then! Add in Maxine waters comments and you have a bulletproof reason for a mistrial! Add in Biden! Man, welcome to America.

You people who are always, always gas lighting with your stupid retorts of "this is justice, he had a fair bla bla bla" are WILLFULLY ignorant and it absolutely kills me!

This was NOT a fair trial at all, the whole stage was set, and the kicker!? The very same peaceful people are NOW saying this STILL isnt justice!!! What......do......these.......people.......want...

They want your country to burn, they want things for free, they want you to respect them because they're 'better' than you.

I'll say it again, justice is dead, America is under judgement, it will get worse.

I know it's probably too late since we're 28 pages in, but for anyone interested in the actual definitions of the crimes Chauvin was found guilty of:

Subd. 2.Unintentional murders. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

I don't see anywhere that those three crimes are mutually exclusive. And in fact see a lot of overlap between them.

Just finished watching the morning news, CNN is having a party. While over on FOX the sad pandas there are using the ATS talking points about the jury, or is it the other way around...

originally posted by: BrokenCircles
then he might still be alive

You really think that with 4 times the leathal dose, he would have live if left alone? Better that the Police left him alone.

The guy is guilty of something.....maybe stupidity and cruelty and he needed to be punished for sure, but the streets are like a war sometimes for LPO's and you don't jail soldiers every time they hurt somebody.

That being said with the civic side of our governments not having the back of LPO's many are quitting and retiring, and new recruits are not coming in because they see LPO's getting shot at from both sides, who wants to risk their lives for that, not worth it. At some point when communities run out of police the pendulum will swing back, duo to public outcry.

Get rid of LPO's that use excessive forced BEFORE they go too far and kill somebody, the police need to police themselves and not keep protecting each other.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
The guy is guilty of something.....maybe stupidity and cruelty.

When you kill someone while being stupid guess what you can get charged and convicted of?

“Oh daddy changed the world. What a role model: everybody, selling and doing dope is cool and resisting arrest. Don’t worry, when you’re gone I’ll take care of your kids.” - JoeB.

Why are these people worshiping this dude? Crying over paintings of him? Lol I mean Jesus it’s pathetic. I cringe so hard while reading this stuff.

originally posted by: Bunch
This is not or at least it should not be a Republican/Democrat issue... it is a societal/civil rights issue. Is people that believe that a certain segment of the population is beyond reproach and should never ever be held accountable that are the problem. The idolization of militaristic/police enforcement in this country is something that baffles me.

We should held our police to the highest of standards, they should be absolute transparency and accountability for every action the police take agains a citizen. Every interaction, every stop, every traffic stop, every action that culminates in use of force of any kind should be subjected to the highest of scrutiny.

Our rights should be protected, all of our rights, don’t matter where your political ideology is.

What's your suggestion the next time a criminal resists police, should they just let him go? Democrats 100% politicized this trial and they've set a very bad precedent because now anytime they want something, they'll let their pet group destroy whatever they want to until they get their way. When you tell a child no and that child throws a fit over and over and over until you give in and give the child what they want, you set a precedent that tells them they can throw a fit anytime they want something.

I mean, dude, come on, these people put a severed pig's head on a stake in the front yard of the house in which they thought one of the witnesses lived, and smeared the pig's blood all over the house. This is the same sh*t the KKK did with their burning crosses and suddenly it's all fine and dandy. It's no coincidence, either, that these violent groups are always groups controlled by democrats.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: rickymouse

If he is found guilty of Murder, lots of police will just walk away from their jobs since they are liable if anything happens when arresting a criminal, even if the criminal starts it.

Let's hope so. There's no place for racists and killers in a civilized police force.

213 shootings by the police against criminals so far in 2021. 30 (THIRTY) came against blacks.

You better hope like hell the media never gets tired of y'alls sh*t and starts pushing the facts out instead of trying to divide us. When they hold back information like this, they keep you weak because they know the actual facts will empower the citizens in this country.

originally posted by: CryHavoc

originally posted by: BrokenCircles
then he might still be alive

You really think that with 4 times the leathal dose, he would have live if left alone? Better that the Police left him alone.

No, but if he had overdosed at the hospital, then he might have had more of a chance of survival.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Interesting how a court case verdict discussion turned to elephant and donkey....or maybe not?

Of course it did. "Top" democrats came out and said words that they knew would frighten the jury. Anyone who watched the entire trial could see that Chauvin had no intent to kill Floyd (who was proven to die of an overdose BTW), so the murder 2 & 3 charges were totally bogus. Involuntary manslaughter should have been the charge, if anything, but not murder at any level.

On the bright side, since the children got what they wanted, we can now watch cities burn in the name Daunte Wright until Kim Potter is charged with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Degree Murder.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Just based on the definitions and the facts of the case, Floyd's buddy that is in jail and sold him drugs should also be charged with murder. I wonder if he will face any charges? The fentanyl and whatever else he sold Floyd also contributed to his death.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

The guy is guilty of something.....maybe stupidity and cruelty and he needed to be punished for sure, but the streets are like a war sometimes for LPO's and you don't jail soldiers every time they hurt somebody.

It's that kind of mentality that has led to so many officers thinking they can shoot first and ask questions later. LEOs are not soldiers. They're not an army. They're a police force. Their job is to purg and serve.

Of course the fact that police in the US have the third largest military budget (yes military budget, not police budget) in the world probably doesn't help with that mentality either.

And people wonder why people are saying we need to defund the police.

a reply to: TXRabbit

I am so sorry that you are the type of person that has trouble determining if what you have read is fact or openion.

I must thank you for you have helped me in the understanding of how the MSM gets away with some of the inaccuracies and lies they tell.

If you would kindly inform me of which posts of mine you are going to read, I will lable them as to facts and openions before posting them. Informing me of this at least a day ahead of the time I make the posts would be most convenient. Would you like text labels or perhaps color coding.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Manslaughter...not murder.

originally posted by: matafuchs
Manslaughter...not murder.

Wrong, buckaroo, Chauvin got charged and convicted of murder. But nice try at history revision immediately after the fact.

Hey, if you feel that was incorrect you should offer him your immense legal knowledge and get him out of prison for the next 20-30 years.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: rickymouse

This trial sets precedence that officers can be charged with serious crimes for doing their job if the criminals press charges against them if they get hurt in the struggle.

In fevered right-wing imaginations, perhaps. Not in real life.

If you think this is a problem, support a firearms ban.

Oh brother! You took the bait hook line and sinker.