Verdict GUILTY

a reply to: matafuchs

Not according to Minnesota law.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Not according to Minnesota law.

According to ATS law Minnesota law is wrong.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Accidental death is manslaughter. You can word it anyway you want and say it was stupid but pause for a second.

this would mean if you are being stupid playing on a roof and a friend fell and died it is now...murder?
This would mean if someone is loading a gun and kills someone it is now...murder?
If someone hits a bystander with a car when their tire blows oulr it is....murder?

It is not about incorrect it is precedent. Some of you will never learn.

To me this is not about black or white. BLM is already showing they could care less about any verdict.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Well we were all Constitutional Law experts the last few months also...

Now as far as MN law, Chauvin was doing his job during the accidental death he was not committing a felony.

So how as he convicted of that charge?

originally posted by: matafuchs
Accidental death is manslaughter.

This wasn't accidental, which is why he got charged and convicted of murder. I know it's tough for you to see since your amazing experience with the law is telling you otherwise but this is what actually happened.

originally posted by: matafuchs
Well we were all Constitutional Law experts the last few months also...

How'd that work out? Probably just as well as this.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It is your opinion it was not accidental. In the opinion of the jury it was not. I would not have voted for a 2nd degree murder charge.

If it was not accidental that means you think Chauvin set out that day to kill him or someone else. Is that what you are saying?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

To be honest it helped me to read some more books and learn instead of pulling things out of my ass.

originally posted by: matafuchs
It is your opinion it was not accidental.

Uh, no, it was the opinion of the District Attorney who charged him.

In the opinion of the jury it was not

Uh, no, again, in the opinion of the jury they agreed with the District Attorney.

You having a hard time accepting reality today? I understand, I bet all of this emotional investiture is hard to let go of.

originally posted by: matafuchs
To be honest it helped me to read some more books and learn instead of pulling things out of my ass.

So what's your issue today? Run out of books?

a reply to: matafuchs

He didn't accidentally have his knee on Floyd's neck. He may not have intentionally killed Floyd, but he was intentionally using force against Floyd that went above and beyond what was necessary to subdue him. He then kept administering that force for several minutes after Floyd pleaded for his life and then lost consciousness.

Once again, while the death may not have been intentional, the use of excessive force was. That is why he was found guilty of murder.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Now you are just baiting. You really are a difficult one to have a conversation with. I gave all my books to the local Democratic Office to burn this weekend by the way.

DA upcharged him. Anyone can see that. Also, it is not for the jury agree with the DA. it is their job to form an opinion based on all testimony and evidence. What you are describing is them simply following the prosecution.

I am not having a hard time accepting reality. It is not emotional either. It is simple facts and I do not agree. You see, that is how normal conversation works. If you actually point out some real facts instead of talking points and bs sarcastic comments.

In the end I could care less about Chauvin or Floyds family. What concerns me is how people in the future will be handled and precedent means alot.

a reply to: LSU2018

213 shootings by the police against criminals so far in 2021. 30 (THIRTY) came against blacks.

So?

Was George Floyd shot?

What was his crime?

originally posted by: matafuchs
DA upcharged him.

Did he? Guess what? The jury STILL found him guilty.

I know it's hard for all the people who've be getting moist thinking about an acquittal but it didn't happen. This is called 'reality'. It's a thing that people can either deal with or not but reality doesn't care, it just keeps chugging along despite people jamming their fingers in their ears and singing, 'La, la, la, la'.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Excessive force is opinion though. The defense never proved that. Was his clavicle broken? He did not even have bruising so a knee on his back did not kill him.

Again, I do not really care what happens to Chauvin. I have already said if they wanted to find him guilty of Manslaughter I could see how that would happen.

He did not murder George Floyd. That is just for the narrative that can now be pushed and was by our own president calling the USA racist last night. If anything this was a sad day for America.

originally posted by: TXRabbit

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
Twelve people did what they thought they had to do because they were pressured by precieved and possibly real threats to their families and their city.

Prove it

They weren't sequestered for 10 months. That's proof in and of itself, not to mention the woman caught on Day 2 of the trial with her phone, taking pictures. That's enough to see there was a potential for the jurors to feel threatened/intimidated, especially in the environment of today's society.

a reply to: matafuchs

The fact that the jury find him guilty of murder means the prosecution did prove use of excessive force. You may not believe they did, but the 12 people on that jury did.

a reply to: Astyanax

Resisting Arrest. Passing counterfeit bills. If he would have gone to the police station he may have lived if not OD'd. He did not have to die man. At all.

a reply to: LSU2018

If any juror was influenced by any events or developments that occurred before the trial, then Chauvin only has his lawyer to blame for failing at jury selection.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Maybe they didn't want a bloody pig head on their porch.