Verdict GUILTY

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: burdman30ott6
What if the jurors deny knowing what Waters said? It's kind of contingent on that.

You mean "truthfully" (as in telling the truth when they say it and not just lying for some personal reason) denying it? We may never know the truth.

This is true, you never know, if any were aware, or discussed it..I imagine it will come out.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Lysergic

Omni Consumer Products, anyone?

You down with OCP??

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: timewarpedbrain7

Crap city? Have you been here? Maybe I can show you the city if you haven't. It's a beautiful city with a rich history.

Maybe you are thinking of Detroit?

Well first the weather...The summers are warm and wet; the winters are freezing, snowy, and windy; and it is partly cloudy year round.

Crime... Rated No. 25 in the top 25 crime cities by the FBI. You might want to avoid North, Midtown and Philips areas after dark...just saying

Housing is kind of expensive and not very impressive for the cost. 71k average salary, cost of living 5% higher than national average.

Biggest employer is Target...lol

Combine state, sales and property taxes eat into your earnings rather deeply.

Outside of all that and its OK I guess....

Have you been there? I’m not for what is going on but Minneapolis is actual OK. I’ve been to much worse places.

I've been in Minnesota. They call it the "Land of 10,000 Lakes." To me, it should be called the "Land of 10,000 Mosquito Breeding Places." Those suckers were huge and bit me through thick jeans!

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: CosmicUmbra
a reply to: TzarChasm

The jury was indirectly threatened.

I do believe part of the verdict process is confirming the jury has not been coerced or otherwise manipulated.

Nah, that's for the appeals court to decide down the road, after the verdict phase has happened. Believe me, we're going to see this case retried because Maxine Waters gave the defense all they need to get a mistrial here.

You can only spend so much time and money trying to prove a man's innocence before it becomes impractical.

The cost of true justice shouldn't be contigent on money.

Nor should it be based on ideology. Which has been the crux of my argument in this thread. The sole reason y'all are so salty is because you didn't get the outcome you thought you were going to get. Y'all are so used to cops getting off scott free that even this relatively marginal shift in the proverbial status quo has sent the majority of right leaning to libertarian arm chair commentators into the most tear jerking of tizzies.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: RMFX1

I mean more like, if you genuinely believe justice has been served and this is a good thing, explain yourself reasonably and at least try to have a discussion without resorting to insults and pointless posts.

I don't think that justice was served. Quite the opposite.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Vector99
So many things are a felony nowadays, it's impossible to live life as a normal person and not have committed one. You may not have been caught, and likely it was something you didn't even realize, but you have a 99% chance you committed a felony in your lifetime, according to the laws on the books.

OK what was the felony was he committing at the time that cased the death of Floyd?

I didn't say he was committing one, and I also don't know if 2nd degree unintentional murder requires one to be committed in Minnesota.

I simply was making a comment about how felony used to be a bad thing, but is all too common nowadays due to changes in laws.

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: CosmicUmbra
a reply to: TzarChasm

The jury was indirectly threatened.

I do believe part of the verdict process is confirming the jury has not been coerced or otherwise manipulated.

Nah, that's for the appeals court to decide down the road, after the verdict phase has happened. Believe me, we're going to see this case retried because Maxine Waters gave the defense all they need to get a mistrial here.

You can only spend so much time and money trying to prove a man's innocence before it becomes impractical.

The cost of true justice shouldn't be contigent on money.

Nor should it be based on ideology. Which has been the crux of my argument in this thread. The sole reason y'all are so salty is because you didn't get the outcome you thought you were going to get. Y'all are so used to cops getting off scott free that even this relatively marginal shift in the proverbial status quo has sent the majority of right leaning to libertarian arm chair commentators into the most tear jerking of tizzies.

Why are you all the time saying I didn't get the outcome I wanted? You don't know what outcome I wanted. I didn't know what outcome I wanted. I didn't follow the trial, so how can you know what outcome I wanted? All I knew was I didn't want the outcome to be more killing and burning and looting like in the past. And it seems like once people that have no ethos against that sort of thing become more emboldened to it, which they are becoming - you can't deny that, (not truthfully, anyway), then they could become even more emboldened after this case. I didn't want more pain and suffering and death. Is that too much to ask for?

a reply to: RMFX1

I agree with you and as I think I've shown in many of my posts, i have solid reasons to back up my beliefs. I'm asking for the people countering this to put at least as much effort into their responses as i and many others have, including yourself, who've put some effort into backing up our opinions.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: CosmicUmbra
a reply to: TzarChasm

The jury was indirectly threatened.

I do believe part of the verdict process is confirming the jury has not been coerced or otherwise manipulated.

Nah, that's for the appeals court to decide down the road, after the verdict phase has happened. Believe me, we're going to see this case retried because Maxine Waters gave the defense all they need to get a mistrial here.

You can only spend so much time and money trying to prove a man's innocence before it becomes impractical.

The cost of true justice shouldn't be contigent on money.

Nor should it be based on ideology. Which has been the crux of my argument in this thread. The sole reason y'all are so salty is because you didn't get the outcome you thought you were going to get. Y'all are so used to cops getting off scott free that even this relatively marginal shift in the proverbial status quo has sent the majority of right leaning to libertarian arm chair commentators into the most tear jerking of tizzies.

Why are you all the time saying I didn't get the outcome I wanted? You don't know what outcome I wanted. I didn't know what outcome I wanted. I didn't follow the trial, so how can you know what outcome I wanted? All I knew was I didn't want the outcome to be more killing and burning and looting like in the past. And it seems like once people that have no ethos against that sort of thing become more emboldened to it, which they are becoming - you can't deny that, (not truthfully, anyway), then they could become even more emboldened after this case. I didn't want more pain and suffering and death. Is that too much to ask for?

Not withstanding the number of logical fallacies you just used and answering frankly; No, I don't think so but I disagree strongly with your implications of "people with no ethos" rhetoric. I certainly won't either disavow the looting or the burning. Strangely, for a nation founded by revolution some of y'all certainly have a taste for the status quo even when that means law enforcement are not only allowed to practice extrajudicial sentencing but the notion is romanticized.

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: CosmicUmbra
a reply to: TzarChasm

The jury was indirectly threatened.

I do believe part of the verdict process is confirming the jury has not been coerced or otherwise manipulated.

Nah, that's for the appeals court to decide down the road, after the verdict phase has happened. Believe me, we're going to see this case retried because Maxine Waters gave the defense all they need to get a mistrial here.

You can only spend so much time and money trying to prove a man's innocence before it becomes impractical.

The cost of true justice shouldn't be contigent on money.

Nor should it be based on ideology. Which has been the crux of my argument in this thread. The sole reason y'all are so salty is because you didn't get the outcome you thought you were going to get. Y'all are so used to cops getting off scott free that even this relatively marginal shift in the proverbial status quo has sent the majority of right leaning to libertarian arm chair commentators into the most tear jerking of tizzies.

What they are lamenting is their perceived loss of control over a particular section of the population. Policing and the control of the black population have a history that dates back to the era of the Night Watches and Slave Patrols. Many of the first established police departments in the US were charged with capturing, torturing and returning runaway slaves. Today they are lamenting what it amounts to a drop of water victory in a ocean full of blood, sweat and tears that this institution has inflicted on the black population.

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originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
a reply to: TzarChasm


It is as much a political outcome as a judiciary one at this point, and, it may be the best one for the short term. Who knows?

I noticed everyone saying this was not put in prison today...

Now that everyone has calmed down a bit. . .I do not think justice has been served.

Chauvin had almost 2 dozen charges of police brutality against him prior to Floyd's death.

The police union, the local DA, even Amy Klobuchar had a hand in keeping Chauvin on the job.

If justice was fair, if justice was blind, Chauvin would not have been a cop after the first reports of police brutality.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: timewarpedbrain7

Crap city? Have you been here? Maybe I can show you the city if you haven't. It's a beautiful city with a rich history.

Maybe you are thinking of Detroit?

Well first the weather...The summers are warm and wet; the winters are freezing, snowy, and windy; and it is partly cloudy year round.

Crime... Rated No. 25 in the top 25 crime cities by the FBI. You might want to avoid North, Midtown and Philips areas after dark...just saying

Housing is kind of expensive and not very impressive for the cost. 71k average salary, cost of living 5% higher than national average.

Biggest employer is Target...lol

Combine state, sales and property taxes eat into your earnings rather deeply.

Outside of all that and its OK I guess....

Have you been there? I’m not for what is going on but Minneapolis is actual OK. I’ve been to much worse places.

I've been in Minnesota. They call it the "Land of 10,000 Lakes." To me, it should be called the "Land of 10,000 Mosquito Breeding Places." Those suckers were huge and bit me through thick jeans!

True story:

We took a vacation with family to Minnesota. Stayed at cabins on a lake. One night we were all playing cards in one of the cabins and heard this strange whine. We couldn't figure out what it was until someone noticed the window ... it was open to the screen and absolutely covered over with mosquitos. That's what we heard - the whine of their wings as they tried to get through to us.

a reply to: DBCowboy

If we were all in a sane world, it would have been recognized long before this that Minneapolis has a police department problem rather than America having a racist cop problem.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: DBCowboy

If we were all in a sane world, it would have been recognized long before this that Minneapolis has a police department problem rather than America having a racist cop problem.

The solution was never fixing the police departments, as evidenced by democrat-run cities who oversee their police deparments.

The solution has always been a nationalized police force.

a reply to: DBCowboy

True story....

Klobuchar sucks

a reply to: Bunch

What they are lamenting is their perceived loss of control over a particular section of the population. Policing and the control of the black population have a history that dates back to the era of the Night Watches and Slave Patrols. Many of the first established police departments in the US were charged with capturing, torturing and returning runaway slaves.

I am sorry, but I will not stand for being called a democrat.